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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/11/AR2006021101112.html      

Lawmakers raise concerns over port deal
Arab company would be allowed to run six ports

Monday, February 20, 2006; Posted: 7:38 a.m. EST (12:38 GMT)

Edited because ...

"Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

                  *************

Quote: I don't know who said this but.....
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men do nothing’

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From what I've heard reported, Lee, I wouldn't worry overmuch - the concern, while not wholly unwarranted, leaves out some vital information - such as the fact that security is still a separate function as is customs and immigration.
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well, I had posted a copy of something my girlfriend cut and paste into an email for me, but someone deleted it...don't understand why...?  It was right out of CNN News?

Anyway, hope your right Christopher...I really do...
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It sure looks to me like a classic example of sending the fox to guard the chickens.
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quote:
well, I had posted a copy of something my girlfriend cut and paste into an email for me, but someone deleted it...don't understand why...?  It was right out of CNN News?


quote:
Edited because ...

"Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

This message has been edited by Ron (02-20-2006 10:18 AM).


I’m only guessing but it could have been someone called Ron probably because the material you posted breached copyright law.

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How come it is alright to quote some copyrighted materials but not others?  
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~montecin/copyright-internet.htm

Gets very confusing sometimes.  It is easier to just post a link to where the information is than to post all or part of it I think.

As for the ports, I agree with Christopher - too many channels for this to go through to worry about at least yet.
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quote:

It sure looks to me like a classic example of sending the fox to guard the chickens.



I don't know enough about this to make an intelligent arguement -- but -- just to be devils advocate I'll ask the question -- what if it's fighting fire with fire?

We know we have a deficit of Arabic speaking agents and very little understanding of the culture -- the US government used to hire Indians to track Indians too.

There is such a thing as 'fair use' -- but I'm sure Ron had a reason or he wouldn't have bothered... maybe if you posted the entire article?  Posting a few paragraphs and referencing the source is certainly fair use.
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quote:
.. maybe if you posted the entire article?

From start to finish. INCLUDING the copyright notice that I bolded and left intact.

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Hi Mysteria & Ron...points well taken, thank you.  

Here is a link from Front Page CNN http://www.cnn.com/

I find it amazing that Fox News ignores this issue, not deeming it front page news?  And also heard Bill O'Reiley's comment this morning that he didn't deem this a serious threat to the US as far as security?

I don't patronize one news station, but bounce back and forth between them all, and stay with the issues I'm most interested in.

Presently, selling our ports to the Arab nation is a frightening issue to me, one that should be well thought out, presenting both sides of the coin.  

In my opinion, meaning, as I feel right now....what could we be thinking?  And if anyone would like to help change my mind, please do so.

1.  If the day ever comes, that our administration is no longer friendly with the Arabs, if there is a disagreement, what happens then?  Sanctions against America?

2.  How would this effect immigration?

3.  What about security risks...I heard on the news this morning...we only have enough money to perform checks on 1/3 of all the containers coming into America?

    a.  Think about the terrorists that could be smuggled in, not to mention, the bombs, dirty, nuclear or other wise.

4.  I don't believe Bush & Cheney are going to move on this and block this sale, b/c they are oil men, have been for years...and as my family says, they're in bed with the Arabs.

5.  Lastly...what if we do now block this sale?  This will present a hugh problem I'm afraid between the Arab nation and America, which could also spark one heck of a disagreement.  

    a.  Although, I suppose I'd feel better then if they'd own our ports.  

6.  I said this during both elections...Bush and his administration scares me.  Although, Kerry was no prize either...but, I do believe Bush will go down in history as the world's worst president.  Wait until the next election...and he's out, then, hoards of information will surface.  And that's just my feeble prediction...

I'm not posting this forum to advocate republicans against democrates...or visa versa...but I really really believe we need to think things through.  It's bad enough, we're becoming a weak nation, our technology our manufacturing...mostly comes from other countries.  We are a country who isn't liked very well by other nations...yet, we continually ignore our boarders.  We're becoming victims of a Trojan Horse so to speak...allowing anyone to come into this nation...outsourcing products & technolgy.

I'm asking you all, to think about the ramifications of this...lets not bash either side, lets discuse what could happen if, and look at both sides of the coin, as a united people.  

Can someone please help put my mind at ease?

Very sincerely
Lee J.


Ok, here we go, Fox News has just posted an article...when I first went in, there was nothing on this subject...now this...Thank you Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/

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I am watching Regis and Kelly from New York this morning and something really got to me.  Regis said, that these 6 ports are owned by the British!  Being a Canadian I had NO idea another country owned your ports, but I have to tell you that I would be darn concerned if these ports were sold to one of the very countries that harbored or was involved with any terrorists of 9-11.

As Ron said once, and I think it was Ron      

"A little information in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing." (or something like that)


I don't want to get into a little panic here for no reason.  I would hate to be all uptight or get anyone else all uptight, but does it really make sense to sell US ports where containers come and go, that could trasport weapons, or any means of warfare to a country not trusted such as Dubai?  A sad part too is that a country that is our friend today could sure be our enemy tomorrow.  As Kelly said this morning, "Gee, isn't there any American out there that owns anything American anymore? There has to be some Americans that can buy our ports?"  I sure hope that happens, you guys are our neighbours, I want you safe.      

Ron, when you have time "soon," I would be curious where you think this sale might be going?  This reminds me of a game Todd and I used to play when he was young and he always won my ports, and eventually the game as once you control the water and air you got the land.  Scary.

This report from CNN seems promising, whatca think?

CNN
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yes, Mysteria, I am scared, and feel the same saddness as I did when 9/11 happened...
my oh my....
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What I think here is simple. I believe Congress should force the Treasury Department to suspend their approval until the national security implications of this deal are fully investigated. An investigation of such a thing is required under federal law as it is.

I do know that the United Arab Emirates are one of three countries in the world that recognized the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan, it has been a key transfer point for illegal shipments of nuclear components to Iran, North Korea and Libya, money was transferred directly to the 9/11 hijackers through a banking system based there, and finally, frankly, after 9/11, the Treasury Department said that the UAE was not cooperating in efforts to track down Osama bin Laden's bank accounts.

I have to say by the looks of it, this is disastrous politically for this administration, and the Treasury Department got a whole lot of explaining to do.

For additional reading material, consider this:
http://www.chichakli.com/la_times_report.htm

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Well ... Mr. Bush said on our television news this evening at 6:00 p.m., that the ports will continue to be managed by the U.S. coast guard, and customs, and that the company selling them was cooperating with the US (whatever that may mean.)  He said, if the sale would jeopardize US security, of course they won't be sold.  We will see what happens, and hopefully this is the truth.  He tests me, he truly does.  Then what the heck is CNN posting as of 9:56 p.m. EST tonight?  Sheesh, and men have the nerve to say women change their minds.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/21/port.security/index.html

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Look, there's another point I want to make here, in response to some proponents of the sale criticizing those opposed to it of encouraging "bigotry" on Arabs.

I believe (and many would agree with this too) that when to comes to owning/co-owning shares of Daimler-Chrysler and other kinds of stock in particular, that's absolutely fine with me. But when it comes to taking ownership or partial-ownership of national security strongpoints, no foreign company should ever be owning them; American companies ought to be owning and operating them at all costs. Whether it's the United Arab Emirates, Venezuela, Britain or Madagascar, no foreign government or company should have the keys to our national security outlets. It isn't "bigotry", it's only common sense.

The New Jersey port alone has about 185,000 jobs and encourages $25 billion worth in economic activity. If anything ever happened at any one of these ports individually, our economy would be heavily affected. We also rely on these ports to offer services to our young men and women in uniform, and if we find ourselves in increasing conflict with that particular nation in the future and they still have influence over the ports, they could stall those services from being sent out. I don't believe a majority of Americans want to take this risk.

The 9/11 Commission Report concluded itself that our nation's ports are among the most vulnerable sites of our nation security-wise. Domestic companies, our government and ONLY our companies and government ought to be owning and operating them.
I'm all for other forms of diplomacy with Dubai, but this isn't the way.

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One thing I'm interested in knowing is this.

As we are all aware, Bush hasn't vetoed ANYTHING since he's been in office. He threatened to veto a stem cell research bill recently, but went quiet after Frist endorsed additional funding.

Why is Bush apparently so adamant about vetoing any Congressional effort to deny the right of the UAE to take over port security here in the U.S? Especially a country known for connections to the 9/11 hijackers, and a company even endorsing the destruction of Israel.

He should know he doesn't have the votes nor the public support here. Why is Bush so adamant on seeing this deal is approved, to the point of threatening his first-ever veto?

I figured he learned from that Harriet Miers episode...guess not. This time around, his credibility is really in danger among his core conservative base, and I believe he is dead wrong on this issue, Jimmy Carter's dead wrong on this issue, Bill O'Reilly's dead wrong here, but all in all I'm glad to see bi-lateral understanding of the risks here.

Sincerely,
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my comment?
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The Bush family have been oil giants for years...and good friends, very good friends with a very powerful family in Saudi Arabia.  This was a blatant attempt to bring in under the radar...if I didn't know this, I'd probably believe that Bush knew nothing about this sale.  Also, I admire Lou Dabbs for bringing this out in the open...he's now being threatened by the Saudi Embassy telling him to "shut up" and those were their words.  

Thank God for him bringing this out in the open.  I don't know how true it is, but have been told the Bush family owns large amounts of stock in Channels 3, 6, and 10...and none of those channels were reporting this until it became big news...first reported by Lou Dabbs.

And oh, by the way, there were more terrorists involved in 9/11 who were from Saudi, then 2.  

All this information, will come out, after the Bush administration is out of office.  I say again, in all seriousness, our plight cannot be about the parties...we have to stop backing people who are corrupt simply because we voted for them and are afraid to say...man, I made a mistake.  Both sides are corrupt, there is no doubt about it...but, it's up to us...to shake them up so that they become more concerned about us, then they do their pockets.  

We can debate until the cows come home, but it's not going make American soil a better nation.  We are becoming a weak nation...if you look back through history, when did every great nation fall...when they became immoral and corrupt.  We're moving there fast...

Bush is also very good friends with the Mexican President.  That is why nothing has been done about immigration.  And as much as we should be concerned about other nations taking our ports, we should also start concerning ourselves with legal immigration.  

The Bush family, are very influencial rich people.

This entire situaiton, I'm afraid, will cause severe ramifications, whether the Saudi's purchase goes through or not.  Their embassy is already screaming "this is blatently prejidice on the part of America"  Will they retaliate? I think they will.  The Bush family has really gone and done it this time.  They wine and dine a very powerful Saudi family.  

Well, there are good Arabs and Bad Arabs...just like in any culture...and it's time we stop being so sensitive about this issue, and take care of this country.  I'm not prejidice...but...if you want to come to America and live, it should be deemed a priviledge and no one should be here illegally.  

We have opened a can of worms that I fear has and will continue to put us in danger of a complete take over of this country.  

Challenge me now, call me rediculous...but I guarentee you, if we don't change things, these things will come to pass.  We've got to get hard and say no...we've got to bring back manufacturing in this country.  

There is a secret agencay called and forgive me if I get this wrong...who are in charge of screening any foreign nations who purchase property & businesses in America.  They only turned down 1 country thus far...and there have been thousands both properties and businesses sold to other countries, including China.

I'm not here to bash parties or to argue views...I'm posting this, b/c I am realistically afraid.  

We were discussing this issue yesterday at work...one gal walked in on the conversation...and said, after listening to us...geeze, you guys ought to talk about something more positive.  She's young and doesn't understand...my point is...perhaps this is an uncomfortable subject, but it's reality, it's happening.  People believe when they go to the polls and vote, they've done their job.  We believe b/c we voted for a certain party, we've got to defend them when they do wrong...b/c if we don't, then we'd be admitting we were wrong...and human beings don't like to admit they are wrong.  Point being...we've got to insist that our government stop being bought by lobyists and start doing their jobs.  

I said it before, and I'll take it to my grave...Bush and his administration scare me...and when all is said and done, after the next election, all the books and information will start surfacing, and Bush will go down in history as the worst President of the United States.  

I think, we should get ready for the next election by insisting, "we don't only want to hear, you have a plan, we want a full scope presentation of the plan (s) you have in mind, to staighten out this mess.  It can no longer be about party, we've got to come together as citizens of the US and demand change.  Otherwise, by the division of this country right now...I'm afraid we're eventually in for big troubles, nothing of the likes we've ever imagined or thought we'd see.

Personally, I'm going to write Lou Dabbs and thank him for being courageous in bringing this story to the publics attention, cuz if he hadn't, none of us would be talking about this right now and the sale most likely would have gone under the rador like so many others.  

It is our duty to come together, and get involved, not defend them, but honestly figure out, what is right and wrong...stop being so liberal with the rights of others who come to this country illegally.  You guys have no idea what is going on, unless you live in southern states, where they're coming across the border.  This is going to be very dangerous for us, and for our pocket books, not to mention, it's an easy take over for future generations.

We've deteriorated as a nation...our agencies are a joke...we are out of money...we have farmed out the manufacturing of our products to other countries...our properties, our businesses, and I haven't even touched base on our banking systems.  

We're in trouble, and I hope more then anything, we learn from this, and come together as a country, instead of being divided by left and right wings.  Otherwise, they've got us right where they want us.

Take for instance that shooting incident with Cheney.  It was an accident, and as much as I don't like the guy, but, I feel badly for him,  b/c he shot his partner by accident.  But, the episode was blown way out of porportion by those who hate the Bush administration.  Yes, there are accidents like these, sadly, unfortunately they happen. But it was in my opinion, foolish of the American public to mock this incident...as I believe in my heart, Cheney was really scared, upset and sorry. Who wouldn't be?  I think sometime, we laugh at things we should deem immorral and corrupt and other things are not laughing matters...myself included...it's perhaps the way we cope?  I dunno?  But this verbal war going on between the Right and Left wings...I think, they've got us right where they want us?  

Maybe it's me, perhaps I'm full of it?  Just seems more logical to me.  Blame it on my upbringing...

Another point I'm going to stress...if Hillary runs for President, sit back and watch how many woman vote for her, simply b/c she's a woman.  This is the non-intellectual concept I'm talking about.  We don't ask questions...we vote and think we've done a good job????  Its up to us, to get together and demand they do a better job, right along with us...we pay their salaries...yanno?  

And by the way, is anyone interested in really knowing what is going on down south in the after math of Katrina.  It's an embarrasement to the U.S.

I know I should have taken some of this information into other subject forums...but I couldn't help it, or stop myself from venting.  

This stuff really, really gets me down, and I apologize to anyone if I've offended anyone...I just cannot see the logic in defending a party when one party is as bad as the other????

We need more Parties...we really do.

  

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When I was young, I worked at the docks in the largest port in the US.

To go back to your original question about the ports, organized crime has run the ports in this country for more than a century.  They are not giving up anything!

Beyond that, the US Customs agency and the US Coast Guard are responsible for port security.

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yes, tis true what you say, but indeed, it will definately give the wolves more to gravite their mission, they roam in packs...

Let me ask this question...would any other country allow us to do the same?  This is an unwise choice what we've been getting ourselves into...we are weak minded and way to concerned about what others think, I think... and have lost a natural ability to comprehend the effects of our decissions
longterm...we've become a society of instant gratifications, not even beginning to realize the ramifications of long-term effects?

Oddly, on the way to work this morning I noticed two bumper stickers...on the same truck..one said...I hate liberals...the other said...Bush, Cheney...?????  Why would anyone lower themselves to express such mid-evil hatred?  If we're not open minded, then how can we access?  And I'm not siding with any one party here...believe me...I consider myself somewhat conservative, sitting on a fence, watching all of this pass me by.
My choice.
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quote:
And I'm not siding with any one party here...believe me...I consider myself somewhat conservative, sitting on a fence, watching all of this pass me by.
My choice.
But why?  I am being serious here, what stops people there from starting a resisting party?  If you don't like what your options are why isn't anyone creating a new party?  I probably sound really dumb, but here in Canada we do that.  We have many parties to vote for, ultimately it boils down to Liberal, Conservative, or Democrats yes, but there are others, Green Peace, Rhino, etc. that at least get their forum heard.

I am now relaxing some after hearing that "organized crime" runs some docks, go figure that out?  

Your Katrina comment:  I could not agree with you more, the rest of the country seems to be moving on when parishs there are still in a state that is absolutely disgusting.  Before you ask, yes I am doing what I personally can to help, but I wonder why the government and every person on this planet isn't doing a fair share, or are forced to?  I just don't get this!  Good ole Oprah the other day put it out there like it is, and I think it is just shameful that the government is not looking after this and the people of America before anything else,  but then I only have the local media to go on.  It is very, very sad.  

I have been told by people that live there you have to be extremely careful who you donate your money too as well, as of course there are crooks even taking advantage of a disaster to bilk us out of our cash.  I hope those that do donate check out the recpient well.  I have to tell you this totally is disgusting to me that people are forced to live in that filth, and hear the excuses they are getting.  There are empty trailers for those people now thrown  out of hotels, and I wrote to get an answer why they are sitting unoccupied!  Hope each of you will too.

Sorry to use this thread for venting this, but you did mention it.     
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Hi Sharon,
Hmmm, what an idea, how does one start a party?

If you say, send out invitations, order in some food, bake a cake, keg of beer, etc...I'll laugh my you know what off
seriously, how would one do that?




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Like they did Lee, go find some heavies that are fed up to get a lot of financial backers, make leaflets, get a space donated from a local vendor for an office, go door to door, find lackies to spread the word, and be seen.  Invite people to an orientation, yes.         Marketing, plain old-fashioned marketing.  I see you have at least one other option - Green Peace Party for one, and don't vote for those you think will do a rotten job.  Seems easy to me, but I am sure it is not.

You don't know me but you are darn right, if I was fed up, nothing would stop me. I would bake goodies, have a tea, auctions, and make sure no one left without being convinced they were responsible for writing their own demise, and it is up to them to change it. Seriously!

I will now go   

Forgive me for I know not what I speak I guess.  Normally I tend to do something rather than say something, but then that has always worked for me.  Being not exactly a brain surgeon I am a way better "do-er than talker" I guess?
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boy, you make it sound so easy.  I have a friend whose ancestors live in Germany, they have several partys and he says it really works well...it actually forces the other candidates to take their jobs more seriously, more honestly and work for the people.  

Sometimes I think both parties send up smoke screens and deterrants, to keep us preoccuipied while they scratch the backs of lobbyists...

If only we could take the bribes away from the lobbyists

Years ago, it used to be illegal to do that.  Not that anyone paid attention.

Thank you for your input...

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23 posted 02-22-2006 01:42 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

"Sometimes I think both parties send up smoke screens and deterrants, to keep us preoccuipied while they scratch the backs of lobbyists..."
change that to
ALWAYS and I'll agree with you. Many in this country have tried to move a third and fourth party in the mainstream, but its been resisted by the majority of voters, perhaps thinking its safer to 'stay the course' which of course, is NOT my way of thinking. I would love to see the majority of both elephants and donkeys get their fat butts kicked out of office during my lifetime. One way is to stay registered independent, and truly vote independent of the hype and lobbying. But it's not easy to do, especially if you view the race as CLOSE but prefer one bad egg over the other. . (Ron might suggest this is a cop-out ) but notice I said IT'S NOT EASY to do, but yes, you can and should vote entirely independent if you don't go along with the person or the party line)
OK, so I strayed off subject a bit.
I have to agree with icebox on one comment, that the ones who really control the docks seem never to have  been the 'legal' owners.
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24 posted 02-22-2006 01:47 PM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

Hi M...yanno, people fear change so badly...or are afraid of literally being disloyal to their families (hey that rhymes which wasn't intended) And ever worse, people are sorely afraid to listen...so your right, they go about business in their same old way, I guess waiting for revelations to come true.  This is a very astute quote...

"the easiest way for evil to prevail is for good men to sit and do nothing"

so so true...so true...thanks so much for your interaction...
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