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Seriously, I can't understand what the big deal is about Cheney accidentally shooting another while hunting, especially when the attorney shot was apologetic toward him.

It seems people from both sides of the aisle are treating this like some of the biggest news to come out in a month or so, but I can't fathom why this ridiculous story is such a big deal.

I can't help but believe there's some who want to paint Dick Cheney as the Edward Kennedy of the right in that, like Kennedy, he was late in reporting an accident. The bottom line, there is no comparison here. Though I believe it to be a stretch that Kennedy deliberately murdered the woman in the car, as some right-wingers suggest on and off, I do believe he's guilty for being late in reporting the accident in where her life possibly could have been saved on time, and I'm not suprised that incident all but certainly cost him his presidential bid.

If you're going to compare a meaningless hunting accident with a life-determining accident, it just isn't going to work.

By God, there's a number of things that make Cheney look much worse than Kennedy on that night, you can take your pick, from his supposed role in the Plame leaking to put her life in jeopardy and hurt our own national security, to deliberately manipulating intelligence and schemes in going to war with Iraq which has costed tens of thousands of needless lives, to the corporate corruption in Halliburton, from giving desanitized water to troops in Iraq to war profiteering.

Am I missing something here?

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What you are missing, Noah, is the White House Press Corps frothing at the mouth that a small Texas paper got the story before they did. That's all that was important to them...that THEY broke the story. You are seeing nothing more than tweaked noses outraged that a headline shot got past them and they are retaliating with the one weapon they have....the news. Watch for the outrage to continue with all kinds of innuendos...

By the way, knowing your Bush administration despising attitudes, I sincerely congratulate you on not having the bad taste to try to capitalize on an unfortunate accident. You show decent character, sir, and I applaud that.
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Noah, to me, it was non-news, especially compared to all the other news that is going on around the world.  Many fatal hunting accidents happen that don't make headlines. Now if he had done it on purpose? well, 'twould be a different story, and news worthy no matter who pulled the trigger.
Let's get past this and deal with REAL issues.
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Agreed that it's overblown, but disagree about it being "meaningless," as the gentleman who was shot remains in the hospital with bird shot embedded in the muscles of his heart.

It's serious, though seemingly unintentional and certainly not something that was witheld for any undue amount of time.
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Thanks, Balladeer! There are many things that this administration have done that I believe opposition and critique toward are justified, from Iraq to warrantless wiretapping to their role with all other levels of government in the Katrina fiasco. Trying to defame Cheney over what even all the press admits as an accident is NOT one of them, as well as putting ones National Guard memos, windsurfing pasttimes or dressing in a space suit into it.

I've heard that Cheney may not have had a license available. I've heard the attorney coincidentally had a heart attack after the incident. So what? This doesn't change the fact that it was an accidental shooting and both were apologetic of it. Accidents are commonplace in hunting among many other sports and recreational activities.

It is shameful that our press would turn away from all the real serious headlines like the final Katrina report and the call for a wiretapping inquiry and the Iran nuclear dilemma, and turn their attention to this.

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What amazed me a bit, though not overly much, was the massive amount of media buzz Cheney's hunting accident caused among the DC press corps, but nary a mention of Gore's visit to the Middle East.  They happened about the same time, Gore purposely shooting off his mouth to inflame sentiment, and Cheney accidentally shooting his friend.

Gore at Jeddah
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I don't believe there was anything inappropriate  about Gore's trip and response either.

I do hope Gore realizes that his political career is over, so if he was hoping making such statements would elevate his comeback to the presidential platform, he is sorely mistaking.

But Gore was absolutely right when he said in Saudi Arabia that most Americans do not support any discriminatory treatment of Arabs, as well as that it's important that Arabs take a stand on Iran's nuclear program.

I'm assuming the real issue some have here is that he spoke it outside of the United States, like many threw a hissy fit when Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks said those words that made the world stand still and all at a London concert. But believe me, I have a wicked backward mouse-click that can point out many instances in which those with this administration did likewise. And it doesn't matter to me where such things are said. London, Paris, Tonga, Lesotho, I couldn't care less unless it was done to promote blasphemy or hate-speech propaganda.

The only irony about what Gore said was that he was complaining in Saudi Arabia about "endemic hyper-corruption" among Tehran's religious and political elite, yet the Saudi religious and political elite is just as corrupt and have a history of suppressing dissent outside the royal family and such.

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http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/15/dick-cheneys-feelings/

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CAVUTO: This is a Fox News alert. The lawyer accidentally hit by Vice President Dick Cheney suffering a mild heart attack this morning. Doctors say he¡¯s doing just fine and could be released in a week. Meanwhile, the White House press corps again beating a dead horse as it tries to find out why they were not told right away about the Vice President¡¯s hunting accident. Not one person bothering to ask, in the meantime, how Dick Cheney¡¯s feeling about all this. After all, he¡¯s a human being and injuring someone else in an accident can take a huge toll. With us now someone who knows the Vice President pretty well. Ron Christie is a former Cheney advisor and author of Black in the White House. Good to have you back my friend.

Vice President Cheney remains in our thoughts and prayers.


Poor Dick.
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LOL, poor Dick. Ya, right. I just wish the media could spend as much effort on issues that actually affect the greater majority of the populace. LAst night, PBS aired an excellent special about the proliferation of meth in this country.  Oregon has had a long-running battle with this problem, which appears to have spread across the country recently.  How many hours has the media (or the government) spent on this far-encompassing problem? And this is only one of so many issues that need attention. I sure hope that man doesn't die from his wounds, but hunting is hunting, and you know the risks when you carry a gun into a setting like that. It's a tragic accident, and if it brings any news to the front, it should be a focus on hunting safety rules.
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I've heard that Cheney may not have had a license available. I've heard the attorney coincidentally had a heart attack after the incident. So what?
So, Noah, it's ok for the Vice President to illegaly be hunting, but it's evil for the President to [supposedly] break the law to protect our country?

Some priorities may need to be reevaluated.
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poor Dick.....once again, Noah, I applaud you on your character.
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Oh - and the heart attack wasn't "coincidental" - it was as a direct result from having bird shot lodged in the muscles of his heart.
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Nothing inappropriate about Gore's speech, Noah?

By JIM KRANE
Associated Press Writer

JIDDAH, Saudi Arabia

Former Vice President Al Gore told a mainly Saudi audience on Sunday that the U.S. government committed "terrible abuses" against Arabs after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and that most Americans did not support such treatment.

Gore told the largely Saudi audience, many of them educated at U.S. universities, that Arabs in the United States had been "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable."

"Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it's wrong," Gore said. "I do want you to know that it does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country."


The man is a liar, an opportunist and a discredit to his party and the United States.
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Gore did real good in Manila, too..



ENVIRONETDAILY
Scientists slam Gore
Filipino experts lament 'celebrity' speech in which Al presented doomsday scenario
Posted: February 13, 2006
4:30 p.m. Eastern


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Two scientists in the Philippines are slamming former Vice President Al Gore for making a visit to Manila and presenting both a global-warming doomsday scenario and an analysis of local environmental conditions they say were way off the mark.

"There we go again. A foreign celebrity coming over for a quick visit, giving a talk, and we are all in adulation, taking everything said as gospel truth," Carlo Arcilla, Ph.D., said in a statement e-mailed to the Inquirer newspaper.

Archilla and Fernando Siringan, Ph.D., both from the University of the Philippines, lamented Gore's Thursday appearance, saying his "exaggerated" global warming scenario is being given more attention in the nation than solutions offered by Filipino environmental experts.

According to the local report, the scientists assert too much use of ground water by typical Manila households and businesses – not global warming – was the bigger reason the metropolis is sinking.

At Gore's Manila speech, which was attended by government officials and diplomats, the former vice president warned that up to 2 million Manila-area residents may have to be evacuated from flooded communities as melting glaciers and the polar icecap raise sea levels worldwide.

Gore warned the problem could cause a disaster scenario within 10 years and urged local officials to take action.

"The problem with these exaggerated and very general pronouncements about environmental doomsday scenarios is that they distract us from the real local problems which we can really do something about," Arcilla told the Inquirer.

He said that global warming was "a serious threat to humanity, (but) it is certainly not in the terms that Gore presents."

Continued Archilla: "While it is true that global warming could contribute to the rise, this is only in the millimeters, but the centimeters' rise could be attributed more to heavy groundwater extraction which results in subsidence, which makes it appear that the sea is invading land."

The scientists urged officials to consider local analysis before falling for everything Gore presented.
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The passage of the Gore article you provided, I don't see anything wrong with what he said. There is unfortunate discrimination out there, and I don't fault the administration for it, but with radical Islamic groups becoming increasingly vocal and their violent influences generating mass misunderstanding and prejudice toward mainstream Islam faithful and Muslims in general, there are abuses happening out there and mass misunderstanding of their culture and the Quran among other things generating resentment and uneasiness toward American Muslims here at home.

One has every right to think of what he said as opportunistic, but I believe Gore was right in what he said, and he holds no elected office now, and he has all but certainly no chance in ever reaching a presidential platform again.

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As far as Manila is concerned, I absolutely appreciate that Gore is trying to bring the global warming concern to the mainstream front, in that it is indeed an issue that exists that needs to be addressed deeper, although I do agree that Gore's fearmongering approach doesn't do any good, and that local concerns should be most important for each community, as indeed the mantra is "Think globally, act locally".

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http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_041070217.html

There was one statement I am surprised that got minimal media attention, and that was when Maryland lieutenant governor Michael Steele appeared to compare stem cell research to Nazi medical experimentings. (Steele later apologized for the comments.)

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Very well, Noah. If you don't see anything wrong with what he said or where he said it I must retract my earlier comments to you and any further discussion on it  between us would be useless, if we are that far apart.
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Balladeer, you haven't specified exactly what you believe is wrong with what Gore said. You said he was a liar and opportunist without mentioning what was specifically wrong with either the locale, content or intent of what he said.

What were you hoping I'd say? That there has been no abuse happening to Arabs since 9/11? That most Americans do support such treatment? That it does represent the desires, wishes and feelings of a majority of people of this country?

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Well, my first impression on hearing Gore's tone and statements on cable news (when it was aired) were painted with such broad strokes that it sounded almost as if every Muslim or Arab in the entire US was rounded up, loaded into cattle cars and oil tankers, and interred at Gitmo under the cover of darkness.  We all know that wasn't the case, but Gore's bombastic speaking style coupled with his target audience sure make it seem like that happened.  I'm almost positive Al-Jezeera didn't quote Gore at all.
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Exactly, 'cat, and if it impressed you that way, imagine the impressions the Saudis got...police and military running around, rounding up Arabs everywhere, throwing them in cells under deplorable conditions....this is the impression he gives just to blast the asministration to an arab country at a time when riots are going on over simple cartoons. Tell me, Noah. What information or recollection do you have of Arabs being rounded up in the US. Describe for me the deplorable conditions they were subjected to, please. Gore's actions are not only dishonest and pathetic - they are treasonous. Be proud of him if you like....in my book he is pure slime.
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Wow, you guys are good.  You managed to completely change the subject to Al Gore.  Maybe the Republicans should hire you.  

I don't see anything newsworthy here folks -- no, not at all, I mean... Vice Presidents shoot people, what?  Every couple hundred years or so?

Calm down press corps... calm down.  Wait for the next one.  It's out there with Hale Bop.

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LOL! Actually it was a fairly easy and understandable transition. Two events at the same time....Gore selling out the US in Saudi Arabia and Cheney shooting a lawyer (which I have always thought should be legal). Which one gets the headlines, the event or the non-event?

Non-event wins.....press corps temper tantrum wins the day.
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There is an old adage Mike.

Never piss off someone who buys ink by the barrell.  Something this administration has turned into a sport.  While I understand the blowing of gaskets -- it just illustrates what happens when any cadre gets to be too inbred.  The beltway, first through fifth estates, is completely self obsessed and out of touch with what's going on on the other side of the Potomac.
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Here's another story Cheney kicked off the pages....



ISTANBUL, Turkey (Feb. 2) - In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made, American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother.

They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison - where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.

"Valley of the Wolves Iraq" - set to open in Turkey on Friday - feeds off the increasingly negative feelings many Turks harbor toward their longtime NATO allies: Americans.

The movie, which reportedly cost some $10 million, is the latest in a new genre of popular culture that demonizes the United States. It comes on the heels of a novel called "Metal Storm" about a war between Turkey and the U.S., which has been a best seller for months.

One recent opinion poll revealed the depth of the hostility in Turkey toward Americans: 53 percent of Turks who responded to the 2005 Pew Global Attitudes survey associated Americans with the word "rude"; 70 percent with "violent"; 68 percent with "greedy"; and 57 percent with "immoral."

Advance tickets are already selling out across Turkey for the film, which has dialogue in Turkish, Arabic, Kurdish and English. In addition to Turkey, the film is set to be shown in more than a dozen other countries - including the United States, Britain, Germany, The Netherlands, Britain, Denmark, Russia, Egypt, Syria and Australia.

The movie's American stars are Billy Zane, who plays a self-professed "peacekeeper sent by God," and Gary Busey as the Jewish-American doctor.


Hooray for Hollywood....
 
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