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"Cheney's Got A Gun"

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Local Rebel
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25 posted 02-15-2006 10:39 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

not the best of segues Mike...

but, have you noticed how fast this thread about a non-event has filled up?  water cooler talk... and you say it isn't news!
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26 posted 02-15-2006 10:59 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

What do I know? Just goes to show ya...
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27 posted 02-16-2006 12:22 PM       View Profile for Carolina   Email Carolina   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Carolina

I heard he was quail hunting.. I didn't think the guy he shot looked too much like quail.  

Or was he aiming for Dan Quayle??  

I'm sorry.. I couldn't resist.... lol don't shoot me for trying to be funny...
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28 posted 02-16-2006 02:18 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

I agree with Local Rebel that neither the Cheney or Gore story is important news here.

Looking at the transcript, I certainly don't see Gore referring to the US rounding up every Muslim and Arab and "loading them into cattle cars and interred at Gitmo under the cover of darkness."

Gore's speech was reassuring more than anything else by the sound of it. Reassuring that a unanimous majority of Americans do not believe in any form of abuse or prejudice toward Arabs, and it helps to continue to make that clear when forms of misunderstanding and propaganda are still spread worldwide about their cultural beliefs, the Quran among other things which generate this tension.

One can choose to continue to push Cheney or Gore through every conversation, but there are too many stories umpteen times far more important than both of these, like what is our government going to do to house and feed the tens of thousands that remain homeless from the Katrina aftermath? What will it take to finally make universal health care possible here? What will it take to finally move away from foreign oil nations and work toward a sustainable economy? Those are the types of stories most Americans would desire to hear more about.

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29 posted 02-16-2006 04:25 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Gore's speech was reassuring...Gore telling Saudis that we rounded up and brutalized Arabs after 9/11 is reassuring...( I would appreciate any references or knowledge you may have of that)

Noah, we live in two different realities. I think I'll stick with mine and i wish you the best in yours...
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30 posted 02-16-2006 07:21 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

I believe it appropriate that these particular issues regarding any concerned post-911 discrimination or abuse be discussed in a new thread seperate from this.

I desired to open this thread to begin with to make a point of how Cheney's accident and all other personal parts of someone's life (unless it was something violent or descecrating of sorts) are not the type of things that should be flooding news headlines. That's not important, as is reitierating a common understanding of America being tolerant toward Arabs and all other peoples and faiths, and any abuse the tiniest, slightest, razor-thin percentage of those in America encourage are the opposite view of the unanimous majority of Americans, like Gore did.

I'm more than willing to discuss this in a new thread, not here.

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31 posted 02-16-2006 07:27 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

C'mon, Mike. Your reality isn't making any sense right now.

Argue semantics if you want, but do you think anybody really believes you're ignorant of what's happened?

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32 posted 02-16-2006 07:31 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Brad, I didn't know that you were qualified to speak for everybody....but i should have guessed you would think so.

btw, I have no idea what you mean by "what's happened"..

[This message has been edited by Balladeer (02-16-2006 08:09 PM).]

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lol.  

I come from a hunting family and often when inexpeirienced poeple are hunting chances of injury raise even if cheney and the other guy were both experienced.  also with duck?  many bullutes shoot out of the gun at once so any thing could of happened.  it could of gone off as he was pulling it up. But yeah..... as for gore.... can some one tell the guy he is not president.  

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The reason I initially mentioned Gore's speech at the Jeddah Economic council was to illustrate that there were indeed other things going on which I considered 'newsworthy' which were backburnered or even ignored by the DC press corp in their pursuit of anything to damage the Bush Administration.

Why would I consider Gore's tirade newsworthy?  Let's see: rash of civil and uncivil protests and demonstrations in the Middle East, Europe, India, Southeast Asia and Oceania stemming from Danish satirical cartoons, America being somehow connected to those same Danish cartoons illustrated in attacks and demonstrations on embassies and military installations, highly anti-American Turkish films being aired, and on top of that there's Gore telling a predominantly Saudi audience about alleged abuses to Arabs and Muslims living in the US legally or not following 9/11.

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Arabs had been "indiscriminately rounded up" and held in "unforgivable" conditions.  -- Al Gore at Jeddah


To my knowledge, Detroit was not emptied of Muslims.  Being the largest concentration of Arabs and Muslims in the US, that would've been quite an undertaking.  For whatever reason, mass media ignored Gore's inflammatory comments during a time of even higher tension than normal, and instead focused their energies on Cheney's hunting accident.

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35 posted 02-17-2006 03:58 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

His comments were anything but inflammatory. Gore was playing the role of statesman in that speech, where indeed there is mass unrest and disarray in the Middle East right now, and while many of the vocal radical Islam groups try to spread the propaganda that all the U.S believes in discrimination and abuse of their people, Gore was there trying to slice through that window dressing and assure them that 99.9+% of Americans do not stand for any such thing, whether it's at Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib, and while unfortunately a little of that razor-thin percentage is influenced in parts of this administration, America condemns any such thing, as John McCain's torture ban bill and other such things shows.

Now, if someone has full text of his entire speech and would like to point out where he says the entire United States or so is responsible for their abuse, please do so. From all the press releases I've seen, he is specifically condemning those few in this administration who make up that razor-thin minority in defending torture or like-abuse in any particular form, who are out of the mainstream with America on treating all with dignity whether it's a pre-911 or post-911 environment.

I don't agree with everything Gore does either, and though I do believe he truly won the 2000 election and not Bush (Thomas A. Cooper to give you a hint why), I wish Gore could just bury the election woe hatchet and move on and focus on the issues truly affecting people's lives, like he is with his global warming movie. However, I truly believe there's some that just like to bash or ridicule Gore at every opportunity, and I believe either it's that self-serving bias at play here, or some are just looking too far into what he said and almost wanting to believe he was accusing all the United States and not the U.S government to say "A-ha!" and point a finger. In fact, he didn't even mention Bush in the speech.

Forget Cheney's shhoting accident, forget Gore's speech. The mass media should be focusing on the final Katrina report, the new budget, things like that which REALLY affect American lifestyles. I wonder if most are even aware of the Pentagon likely planning a submarine-launched ballistic missile attack raid against Iran as early as next month:



Forget about how ones words could influence antagonism. Actions speak louder than words after all, and I fear if this option is committed, our relations with the greater Middle East will be further heavily damaged.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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36 posted 02-20-2006 12:40 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Okay... um... the man shot somebody. I'd hardly call it non-news.

To me, the entire thing sounds fishy... two guys in orange vests hunting quail and one accidentally shoots the other... apparently there was "one beer" to be had earlier in the day... and then... oops!

But regardless, just because I think it sounds fishy doesn't mean it is. I'm probably just being cynical and suspicious, it was probably a complete accident. Still. The point remains... the vice president shot a man. That's a pretty big oops, no matter what the circumstances were surrounding it.
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"Agreed that it's overblown, but disagree about it being "meaningless," as the gentleman who was shot remains in the hospital with bird shot embedded in the muscles of his heart.

It's serious, though seemingly unintentional and certainly not something that was witheld for any undue amount of time."

Well said, Christopher.

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The delay in reporting the incident in national press is interesting to me.  The fact that the Associated Press was NOT flying with this story immediately is notable; after all it involved the most powerful VP in recent history and one of the most powerful politican builders in the state of Texas ... yes it was big news...that it was not news immediately.  This is typical of this administration though; e.g., we didn't know about the ports deal (and so many other deals) until there's little possibility to stop it...or it will cost us points with the UAE if we do.  

And Noah....you are right.  They've been pounding the drums in the same manner they did before they went into Iraq.  Also identical...using the media the way they want.  This administration knows how to use the media.  I'll give 'em that, Balladeer.

BTW Noah...I heard the tailend of a newscast tonight about some last minute truce with Iran for two years or something on the nuclear deal ---- has that really happened?
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39 posted 03-08-2006 01:07 AM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

ROFL .... heard this joke today and can't resist:  Qustion:  What is more dangerous than a wounded bear?  Answer:  A lame duck.
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yanno, most of you already know that I disagree with this administration on a lot of issues...but

on this...the other night, I was listening to the Awards, and someone stood up and made a horrible joke about Cheney shooting his friend.  I turned off the Awards...why?

Well b/c, I believe, as much as I don't like Cheney, I feel so sorry for him.  I cannot imagine the horror, that he experienced at shooting his friend...the worry, after the heart attack, and knowing those bb's will be imbeded in his friend for the rest of his life.  I don't think it's a joking matter...adn I don't believe the man shot his buddy on purpose, but what I do believe is, that for the rest of his life, he and only he will have to live with what happened.  Was he hunting illegally without a license?  Only he knows, and only he will somehow have to live with that guilt on top of the accident.  

In times like these, through mishaps or almost near deaths, accidents, whatever, those people involved in the incidents will not only have to atone and live with the guilt, but also, maybe this changes them, maybe this humbles a person so so much, that he/she changes?

Again...please keep in mind, if it were you or me...

it was an accident...a very serious one, can you even begin to realize the fears between the families...the embarrasment, etc?  Imagine the first hours Cheney went through after the shooting?  I wouldn't want to be in his shoes for anything in the world.  

I think Cheney has most definately learned his lesson...unfortunately at someone else's expense, and who is to say, his buddy wasn't somewhat to blame, and walked in front of the spray of b/b's?

This incident has nothing to do with performing his job...it was a most unfortuate accident, and I feel badly for both parties.  

Can you imagine how his friend feels everytime he hears someone joking about this and I really in all sincerity, think the jokes have been so so cruel and unthinking.

I believe, before we joke about anything as serious as an almost accidental death, we should be very careful...cuz you never know what we're going to do in the future, and it might come back to haunt us two fold.

I don't know, that's just my take on the issue.  I feel really bad for both parties involved.

Sincerely and surely meaning no insult to anyone, just adding my thoughts to the thread.

Many thanks

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Lee, you're right.  The shooting was a sad event.  

The joke I put there refers to the lame duck presidency, though and not Cheney.  It just is funny and without a little humor in life, geez, I just don't know how we'd all get by.  No offense was meant....just humor and not about Cheney either.  
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"[while pointing and waving his half-curled finger] I did not have sex with that woman... Ms. Lewinsky."

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43 posted 03-08-2006 01:46 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

I didn't go so far in turning off the Oscars after Jon Stewart made the quip about Bjork's absence because she was trying on her dress and Dick Cheney shot her, but from the beginning the shooting has been nothing more than an accident and these jokes have gotten so brick-stale.

We all do need humor to get by, I actually believe it to be the most important element overlooked in enforcing positive social change. I believe Cheney has been dishonest and manipulative on a wide number of things, but on this honest accident, it isn't funny, it's beating a dead horse.

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On the issue of Iran, I really don't think the Pentagon wants to make an infantry invasion of Iran any time soon. I do think there's a great likelihood that there will be some aerial bombings of suspected nuclear-hosting facilities in the region, which I fear will certainly incite more protests among not just Iranians, but Arabs generally. When this will happen, it's hard to say since a majority of Americans prefer diplomatic efforts in the meantime and less than 1 in 6 want military action, but seeing how many operations just happen suddenly and secretively, I fear it could very well be sometime before the end of the year.

Sincerely,
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I wanted to let you all know, my comment wasn't directed at any one of you...and your absolutely right...humor is one of life's marvelous healers...but, there were so so many jokes from the very beginning...some very mean...and when they are done at someone else's expense, I just think it's cruel...yanno.  

And yes, that was exactly the joke Noah, as I couldn't remember the joke before.  To be honest, I've never really given the Awards the time of day...until this year...and when that joke was made, it really rubbed me the wrong way...I felt so sorry for Cheney...yanno...I guess what I'm saying is this..."how would any one of us feel if we shot one of our best friends by accident, and the whole world was making jokes about it".   I mean the guilt of it would just tear me apart????  

Oh, and I wonder how many times Cheney was haunted with what could have been...the worst possible senerio is that he could have killed his friend...

I dunno, perhaps I'm older now and more sensitive to issues, but after a while, enough, is enough...and some jokes really cut a person hard...

anyway...the point I tried to make is, I think the jokes about this issue got a little carried away, especially by those who disapprove of Cheney, and maybe it's me????

words can truly hurt someone, they can kill someone inside, tear apart a soul...as if we'd taken a gun and held it to their head...and I just think, some of the jokes about this issue were way overdone and mean??????

And I've gotta say, in the beginning, I laughed at the jokes to...I did, and I was responsible for thinking Cheney was a you know what for being so stupid, but as time went by I thought about if it had been me...accidents do happen.  If he was hunting without the proper sticker on his license, then he will have to atone for that...but I betcha, from my heart, the man will never hunt again with as much confidence as before, not to mention, pay for the stinkin appropriate stickers.  

Sincerely
Lee J.

thank you for the opportunity to express my feelings
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Frankly, if anyone is cowardly, cruel and ignorant enough to go blasting lead shot at other sentient beings for "fun", they deserve all they get.  
 
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