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Essorant
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25 posted 02-10-2006 10:39 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

A family member deserves unconditional respect.
Huan Yi
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26 posted 02-11-2006 01:28 AM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi


Opps
Huan Yi
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It has been estimated that there are more deer
in the continental United States today
than there were in colonial times.
If not culled then that population falls either
to disease, such as the degenerative brain disease
that threatened herds in Wisconsin for example,
or starvation.  One can say that that is because man
has eliminated natural predators but that was because
predators like wolves did not restrict themselves to
deer, ( I remember seeing old graves in New England
that had large stones on them to keep even the dead
from being dug up and devoured).  Hunting for meat
is hardly more immoral than having someone else do it
for you wrapping and placing the product in the
supermarket.   I remember at university a poster
that suggested that hunters hunted deer because they were
not men enough to pursue women.  So how much better
is the world now for those men who read and ďlearnedĒ.
Horses are not native to America.  Their introduction
served to threaten the existing eco-system.  That we
kept and named them and made them lovable in movies
doesnít change that.  Finally it is curious that in a country
where probably more human life is taken legally every year
than were lost in all its wars should be asked to be shocked
and wax mournful over horses going to the dinner plate.

A Romantic Heart
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28 posted 02-11-2006 01:56 AM       View Profile for A Romantic Heart   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for A Romantic Heart

_ARH,

I donít even know where to start.


quote:
Youíre going to have to give me some evidence.
______________________________________________

Hey Grinch, I LOVE YOU...and LOVE is intelligent....there is your evidence ...

I love all of you..even if you are meat eaters...that is your choice.

I can agree to disagree, and love without judgement.

~ARH
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29 posted 02-11-2006 06:19 AM       View Profile for Goldenrose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Goldenrose

Christopher so we heave EARN respect, how do we do that by kissing up to moderators?
As a moderator you should know better, i think that for the most part you only inflame things and pour petrol on the fire instead of bringing a calming influence. It is the comments like the one i just mentioned that shines a bad ight and tarnishes the other unbiased moderators.
So as i said how should we give respect, the kind you would be satisfied with?
As far as i can see repect is respect, there is no grading to it. If i show repect to you for instance in posting a genuine reply and then you make a derogatory comment towards my reply, are you showing me or anyone esle involved in that thread respect?

Respect?

Goldenrose.

Desire for nothing except desirelessness,hope for nothing except to rise above all hopes, want nothing and you will have everything.avatar Meher Baba.

Grinch
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30 posted 02-11-2006 08:03 AM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


ARH

quote:
Hey Grinch, I LOVE YOU...and LOVE is intelligent....there is your evidence


Love is an emotion not a sign of intelligence in fact emotions have an annoying habit of overriding true intelligence Ė people do and say some inane things while under its influence.

So you donít like eating red meat, fine, perhaps you want to point out the advantages of being a vegetarian, again fine; but thatís not what you did. You used veiled insults like the one I quoted to suggest that people who ate red meat and hunted were animals and dopes.

Essorant
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I don't think anyone answered Marshalzu's question:

"I agree a line has to be drawn somewhere but why at horses and not at say cows or sheep?"

Where do we draw the line?  

A Romantic Heart
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32 posted 02-11-2006 06:24 PM       View Profile for A Romantic Heart   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for A Romantic Heart

Grinch...(so how is whoville? I don't seem to remember the men hunting in Whoville? nor the Grinch for that matter, he got his food from the garbage.Dumpit to Crumpit!

First of all I dind't mention anything about "RED MEAT" those two words were never used in any of MY comments.

Second I was offering love as a peace, an understanding, like I had said, I can agree to disagree.

Love is an emotion and I am glad that I feel, and show it, for humans and animals.God created love, and God is intelligent, it takes an intelligent person to love, to forgive, to make peace.

Love is better than hate...and I for one, don't hate anyone, I may disagree with some
things in this world, but to hate, I am above that.

After all, each of us have our opinions and each is equally allowed to voice it, freedom of speech.

IF you notice , When I started this thread, it was a question directed toward the animal lovers, in asking how they felt about the issue.

I have seen these threads go on and on, so no matter what evidence you bring to the table, like bird-flu, mad cow diease, ecoli,
(and yes some cows are fed back to other cows).
All the evidence in the world, would not change a persons mind once they have it made.
So the most intelligent thing to do, is to make a peace about it, black will be black and white will be white.
So I offered my love, and that is the best I can do, to make peace.

   History shows the evidence of some of mans most unintelligent decisions, like the buffalo and the indians, trying to kill them out, almost made them extinct. When I said that God gave some of us intelligence, I was refering thoughout the history of time, of bad choices made by leaders in authority,(beacuse the news report I posted was talking about the decison made by congress) Vietnam was another, Watergate, the killing of Kennedy.
I will defend the innocent, sometimes authority isn't always right, nor do they  make the right decisions. Sometimes I think it is the lack of emotions that have clouded their judgement, like the Terri Shivo case.
If I were a judge, without emotion, I could allow all the child molestors to go free, but I love children and therefore they are the innocent and I cannot allow that.
Emotion gives us a soul, and I am glad to be blessed with one. I couldn't write poetry without it.
    IT IS NAIEVE to think the world will not end and that our resources are not going to run out, no one thought the world trade centers would have been bombed either, but it happened, anything could happen. So yes it is possibe that we could  resort back to using horses for transportation.
  I think to the future, and we could be wiped out with war, terrorism, or astroids falling to hit the earth. In the mean time we need to not live for now and think about consvering our food, etc.
Being prepared for such events in case those were to happen in the future.

One last and final note...my dad is a hunter, and was when I was a little girl, does that make me love him less, no, but I don't have to agree with what he does, I can still love him.
  Anything illegal(You have to realize most hunting I have seen was illegal, NOT FROM MY DAD THOUGH, he obeyed the laws and he still does) or immoral, I will take a stand.Even if it were the president himself doing wrong.

[This message has been edited by A Romantic Heart (02-11-2006 07:05 PM).]

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Have to say that i agree with ARH fully...

well said.

Goldenrose.

Desire for nothing except desirelessness,hope for nothing except to rise above all hopes, want nothing and you will have everything.avatar Meher Baba.

Grinch
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34 posted 02-11-2006 09:25 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch

quote:
After all, each of us have our opinions and each is equally allowed to voice it, freedom of speech.


As long as your opinion isnít an insult to my personal choices or my intelligence I havenít got a problem.

I apologise if my posts have caused you any distress or offence but you really need to think about what youíre posting.

The Grinch could see a point was made
A hatchet bared then softly laid
He turns to Whoville far away
And leaves to Grinch another day


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