Saluting with misty eyes
I will apologize to everyone for jumping off thread for a second, however there is a statement that needs to be dealt with quickly
How many wars can you name that didn't start with some human concocted religion's being slighted/insulted or territorially challenged?
Well, let's see....
The Hundred Years War
The Seven Years War
The Soviet-Afghan War
The Iraq-Iran War
The American Revolutionary War
(well, let's include every war on American soil here)
The Spanish Civil War
The Korean War
The Vietnamese War
Gulf War I
Gulf War II
There are plenty of others, however I think we can stop here. If this is a discussion you wish to contimue, then please start another thread and give me the facts that can prove me wrong.
Now, you mention the college professors in prison because they questioned the number of Jewish deaths in the camps. Is that a fight against the religion, or the facts of the war? Perhaps as one of those who is "fundamentally" Christian, I see it wrong, howwever it seems that these professors are not fighting against the rights of the Jews of the world to have their religion. It seems that they are simply questioning the accuracy of the reports of numbers. It is an historical, and not a religious question that is being fought by these professor.
Anyone walking around in the year 2006 that espouses blind allegiance to any of the 'main' religions, (often born from individual hallucinations) while ignoring said religions' having been built in prejudices and arrogance, must eventually stumble on moral incongruity
Well, ket's see... the main tenents of Christianity as it was started is love, peace, Do unto others, and being a good person.
Judiasm teaches 10 very specific laws (or Commandments if I may) that, oddly enough, all Christian religions also teach. G-d's Top Ten lists such predjudicial and arrogant laws as "Honor they Mother and Father." or "Thou Shalt Not Steal" or even "Thou shalt not kill". I can see where you would think that these laws espouse moral incongruity.
The moslems would have absolutely no criticism of their warlike founder...lest the author's death be called for...
Well, let's see... Since you don't know every member of the planet who worships accoprding to the Kuran, I will see this simply as you not knowing anyone of that faith in general. admitedly, I do not know many, however the ones I do know are peace loving, and have no more in common with the extremists who follow a very violent and very specific version of Islam than you do. These people (the majority) do not support the war-like thoughts and actions of their bretheren any more than you do. Saying that all muslims believe this way is the same as saying that all Catholics believe the same way as Mel Gibson, who- admittedly- follows a very strict, and very different version of Roman Catholicism than the rest of the world (one that is followed by a very, very small fraction of the Catholics of the world). Making statements like this is stereotypical and not at all in keeping with the general feeling of acceptance to other's thinking that this site tends to espouse.
Don't for one minute allow yourself to believe that those atop the, increasingly grotesquely contorted pyramid...believe in the same gods sold to the masses, those gods who would have us succor the poor, turn the other cheek, comfort the incarcerated, or let the meek inherit any damn thing
Here we go again with the stereotypical thinking and speech. By stating your views the way you have, you absolutely discount people like: Oprah, Rosie O'Donnell, Ted Turner, The Cipko Brothers (local heroes), Tom Cruise, Shirley Temple Black (RIP), Alyssa Milano, Stanley Burrell, Gary Senise, Montel Williams, Jimmy Carter, Angelina Jolie, and many others who have (or had) more cash and assetts than they will ever need, yet they continually "give back" to the communities and the world as a whole.
Oprah uses her show and her wealth to shout at the top of her lungs about doing the right thing for others for the right reasons with her Angel Network, and who gives vast amounts of her time and resources to help those who have been forgotten by society.
Ted Turner gave a BILLION dollars to the UN to be used by their various programs. Yeah, he had it, and he got a HUGE tax break froom it, but ask yourself this... Who else did it?
The Cipko Brothers (local heroes) have more money than they will ever spend, and yet they don't have fancy cars or houses (they drive a 1986 Buick Skylark); they don't buy up companies to make themselves richer; they give their money to the local schools to buy new computers and to build a computer lab so the kids can get the skills they need to compete with the rest of the world. They give money to the local volunteer fire companies (even in towns they don't live in) to upgrade their equipment. They give away more money per year than most of us will likely make in 10 years.
Gary Senise used his wealth and fame to get school supplies for the kids in the Persian Gulf so they could learn, and be better prepared to enter the worl that was being opened for them.
Stanley Burrell (MC Hammer) gave jobs to the broke familes of Oakland to the point where he went bankrupt himself, and lost all of his fancy things.
Shirley Temple Black, Alyssa Milano, and Angelina Jolie are (were) special envoys of the United Nations to these non-industrialized nations and spend their non-working time attempting to make life better for them. mrs. Black sis it as a job, the other two do it for free.
Rosie O'Donnell and Angelina Jolie have both adopted children born to mothers of no means. Rosie adopted here in the States, Angelina adopted from Cambodia. Other stars have used surrogacy as a way of conceiving... these ladies did not. They made the lives of a couple of children better than they would have normally been.
So, you see, You are making statements that have no teeth. While it is entirely possible that the majority of those with the wealth are such as you say, you cannot lump them all together and expect tobe taken seriously.
What would Jesus think of these sprawling mega-plex churches, these pompous and wealthy church leaders, the caddy's and lincolns in the church lot across the street every Sunday? If that great man were to visit us now, who can deny that his truth to power would end the same way?
Gee... even back in His day, the temple elders were making the huge bucks. Remember the story of the church sellers, and of the great power that the corrupted leaders weilded? Ad yet that great man (as you called him) remained true to his beliefs and to the people he was sent here to save. Who are you to deny that he would not be the same were he to return? This statement has no validity because it is making suppositions about an instance of which we have absolutely no way of proving or disproving. It is akin to saying that "were Thomas Jefferson alive today he would protest against the war". Who in the name of Thor's Hoily Hammer knows, and who among us would be able to speak for the framer of the Constitution, or for a Diety?
At the end of your post, you use various statements by famous people, and by people in power to show your viewpoint, yet at the same time, you are making statements to show you are not as far removed from them as you believe. You say you can't find people like those you mentioned. My friend, I think you need to open your eyes a little and see the real world around you. The Cipko Brothers are in services every single Sunday, and when they were once asked why they were giving all of this money to the community, they made a statement basically mimicking Matthew 25:40.
Naturally Jim (a local celebrity and internationally known magician, AND former Met opera singer) goes to Mass every Sunday and all holy days, and 4 times a year gives a dinner to raise money to help out the needy of the surrounding area. And if you tell him you would like to go, however you cannot afford the tickets, he hands them to you because he truly loves his spiritual brothers as G-d has said we are supposed to.
John Weaver is a nationally recognized psychiatrist who has written the Bible of Disaster psychology. If there is a disaster on the Eastern half of the Mississippi River, then he is one of the first people that gets sent to be part of the disaster relief team. He could very easily say that he doesn't have the time because he happens to have a very active client roster in his personal psychiatric office, and makes "house calls" to foster agencies. Yet, somehow, he always seems to show up at places like Ground Zero, New Orleans, etc.
The faithful and G-d-like people are there. The "true" spiritual are there. I feel trhat you are allowing your personal anger to over-shadow your vision.
To be merciful to the cruel is to be cruel to the merciful.