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Alicat
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Foxnews story

The more I think of it, the more I'm miffed.  Principal McClard tells a student of Scottish descent that he can't wear his kilt to a school dance and demands that the student change clothes.  Such a display of cultural, ethnic, and racial discrimination should not be tolerated, especially from a person of authority such as a high school principal.

I'm a second generation Scot, third if being born on the boat coming over counts as being American, which I don't think it does (reference to my Grandpa Henry in the 1880's).  I'm proud to be an American, proud to be a Texan, and proud to be a Scot (though I have lived in Arizona many years and consider it 'home', I've never considered myself a 'Zonie').  And yes, I do wear the kilt on occasion.  Unlike my Dad, who has many and wears them very often, I've but one.  Howsoever, discrimination is discrimination.

It takes a child to mock the kilt, and a man to wear one.
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So what specifically about being a Scot
makes you proud?
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I agree with you Ali...in fact, I'd like to see you in your kilt!     How about a kilt Pip photo?
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Not to go off topic but perhaps tell him Ali, it's the haggus you're proud of right? I know I am.     Being Scottish myself, (and a wee bit of Irish,) I am sort of miffed myself at this story unless of course the school has a documented dress code, did it?  We sure better not start having these kinds of politically correct or accepted problems up here I tell you, or I will start a real ruckus.  First they throw out the Lord's Prayer as a morning required recitation, but start to supply prayer rugs for the Muslims here in our schools.  You got to wonder the logic sometimes don't' you?  I would have sent my son right back in his kilt if that was his choice of garb.  Sure beats some of the other articles of clothing they wear to make a personal fashion statement these days. The head of that dance needs his hands slapped for referring to a Scottish kilt, as making a man look like he is dressed as a clown, there is something very sexy about a kilt.
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I'll nay eat yer haggus but I'll don yer kilts lad... bein as my named ancestry hails from the wall -- I don't do pipes but I can make a Stratocaster sound a lot like one...
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note to Santa:

Local Rebel is being naughty.

addendum:

Serenity likes it, too.

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SO wrong . . .

Every celtic bag piper here wears kilts . . . every Hooley has men in kilts, all the Irish fests have men in kilts!

Proud men in kilts, young men in kilts.

There is honor in wearing the kilt.

Such ignorance . . . disgusts me.

And yes, I am Irish, a mutt I may be, but still Irish.  

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lol at Rebels reply
but isn't it spelled haggis?
that nasty vile scottish food thingie stuffed with lamb's heart and lungs and oh...makin myself queasy with this one
Well, being part Scottish, Irish, Dutch, German, and English (a veritable bonafide MONGRELassie!!!) I never could seem to get behind or in front of ANY one flag or country's customs, and wonder how our Alicat responds to John's Q
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I'm 3/4 blend of Scottish, Irish, Welsch, British, and French, with the remaining roughly 1/4 Native American blood, particularly Cherokee with a trace of Lakota.



Before I became a vegetarian a few years ago, I tried haggis when I visited the Scottish Isle, particularly Glasgow, in 1999. I have to admit it was pretty tasty to me, kind of tasted like texas hash meets couscous salad. Pretty salty I might add, so better gauge your daily sodium intake when having it, LOL!



Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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pretty soon this thread's going to turn into the Common Descent thread...

Norman, Angle, French, Scot, Welsch, German, Polish, Cherokee, gene pool, goo..
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that is so funny!
as a common descendent member of this poetic gene pool, I hereby declare this to be
the funniest thread of the day
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Well, being of English and German descent, I never wore a kilt although I did have to dress as a mermaid once (panty hose and strategic water balloons etc). And I think it would be hard to eat a haggis. One thing for sure though, those Scots do know how to make whisky. (Note, that is not whiskey).


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I know this is going to be the unpopular answer to this thread, however I have to come down on the side of the fence with the principal. I am, for the record, also almost completely British Isles( British, Scotch, Welsh, and the "Good" Irish (I leave that for interpretation). As an aside, I have an ancestor that was the Baron of Renfrew (whatever that is). However, in my opinion, each school leadership has the right to decide on a school dress code.
Locally, we had a school system decide on a dress code that forces the kids to dress almost as if they were in a private schools, with either blue, khaki, black or grey slacks, and white or blue shirts for the boys (or girls) and the same coilored skirts for the gals. It was not a popular decision, and it cost the parents a decent amount of cash to dress their kids for school, however the decision was upheld.

The way I see it, this is no more than a different version of this same decision. I understand where people would be on the other side of this discussion, however I see it differently.

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Warmack alleges to have shown the kilt in question to his Vice Principal and no issues were raised at the time regarding any breach of their dress code prior to the school dance.  It was only after his Principal saw Warmack and his date posing for pictures at the dance that suddenly there were allegations of dress code violations with the now denied statement of not having people dress like clowns at a school function such as the Silver Arrow dance.
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I personally think a dance is a bit different then dressing for class during the day..and yes from what I have seen of students AND SOME teachers, I would think a kilt is not clownish...and there are parades and holidays where that dress is fine... and just today the one grade had pajama day
( granted these are elementary kids) but if they can go to school in pajamas what is so wrong about a kilt at a dance... and the teacher was  dressed in her flannels and slippers too.

Today I can't tell the teachers from the students wearing jeans,  short tops,  thong sandals, even shorts during the warmer weather.  I know there are dress codes for the teachers and students  but I don't see them being followed.

just my opinion
p.s. Ringo it actually is cheaper to wear a uniform of which maybe you only need three to five of them rather than a closet filled with name brand competitive costly clothes leaving those for after school wear... but that is left up to the school districts here. Remember learning is supposed to be the object of schools and not the comparing of children, their money and home situations and being in the "in groups".

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as was pointed out to me several times in hs, the constitution does not apply in exactly the same way to minors, especially minors at school in the way it does to adults out in the normal world (i was "in trouble" rather often).

but, i do think, that unless there was obscenity involved, stopping the chap from wearing a kilt is rather silly.

it seems to me, remembering my hs days all of 5 years ago, that most administrators were fools who spent their time on things like this instead of nabbing the kid who everyone knew dealt pot in the bathroom.

i mean c'mon, did he have an eighth under there or something?

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Would they do the same if it were a girl in a kilt instead of a boy?
 
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