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Alicat
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25 posted 11-04-2005 07:17 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Ok, it seems that many missed something crucial when I was mentioning 'them' and 'they'.  Their own choice of where they sat, darkly humorous to me when they (the current back seaters) used to be forced to sit back there (in the back seats).  And that latest observation was taken on the Greyhound bus from Yuma, Arizona to San Antonio, Texas about a little over a month ago, and many the times I've mused on why people sit where they sit on buses.  And more often than not, again from my own observational evidence, they (chosen back seaters) are the first to cry foul if their (chosen back seaters) words or actions are called into question and the most likely to use racial slurs against those disagreeing with them (chosen back seaters).

Nitpick if you want, but I'd appreciate words not being torn out of context then used to imply blanket generalizations, as I strive very hard to avoid those.

Now I'm reminded of a young black gentleman who came into the book store where I was working after the first Million Man March, asking for any books on or by Louis Farakan.  When I responded that there weren't any yet, he became very hostile and called me a rascist bigot.  I kept my cool and calmly told him how my own people were ruthlessly oppressed for centuries by the British, leaving Scotland in the mid-1880s, with my Grandpa Henry being born on the boat during transit and that I did not appreciate his racial slur based merely on the tincture of my skin.  Then I proceeded to show him where other books were about Dr. King, Malcolm X, G.W. Carver and other notables.  He apologized and later helped some friends of mine find an apartment, only because he knew them as my friends.
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26 posted 11-04-2005 08:25 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Ali?

Your last paragraph is akin to what I wrote
to Tier last night.

God bless your heart.
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27 posted 11-04-2005 08:26 PM       View Profile for bslicker   Email bslicker   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for bslicker

We all keep talking about our own people.

What is our own people?

I thought it was a world of people, which is what we have a problem with.

Just think of of what the alien's are saying right now ( and yes i mean the one's in the UFO's)...

They are problably saying, look at all those fools, they are alien's within their own world and don't even notice us.  
The real alien's.


oooopppps,,, just a couple more cents...

Bernie
  

A smile a day keeps the world in smile's.
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28 posted 11-04-2005 08:30 PM       View Profile for bslicker   Email bslicker   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for bslicker

Forgot welcome back Deer, and glad to see your fine and ready to get back in action !!!

We all missed you
Bernie

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29 posted 11-04-2005 08:50 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Bslicker, in case you missed the stated reference, my people are Scottish.  The Adamson line can be found close to Perth and Dundee by the River Tay, can be traced back to around 900 AD and is associated with Clan Gordon and Clan Mackintosh through Clan Chattan.  'My people' refers to my direct ancestors, people with whom I am directly related.  My people.  Seems simple enough to this simple soul.
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30 posted 11-05-2005 08:27 AM       View Profile for Tim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tim

I assumed the thread was in response to President Clinton's comments at the service.
That he vividly recalls the day Ms. Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus.  

As a young nine year old in Arkansas, he the next day began sitting in the back of the bus to show his solidarity to the civil rights movement.

The event profoundly effected his life, much as the phantom church burnings occuring during his childhood across the State of Arkansas.

I am unaware of the intent of the original comment of the thread, but my reaction was not towards the life of the Ms. Parks, but towards a seven hour service used for the political purposes of some of those attending rather than honoring the life of Ms. Parks.

President and Senator Clinton, Senator Kerry, Jesse Jackson, and a host of others speaking unfortunately brought thoughts of the funeral of Walter Mondale.

My cynical thoughts to the original comment had little to do with the civil rights movement, nor Rosa Parks, but in the fashion how we remember and honor our dead.

That is not to say the majority of those attending did not do so to honor and celebrate the memory of a courageous woman, but a far too significant portion of the service was spent in political posturing.
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31 posted 11-05-2005 10:10 AM       View Profile for bslicker   Email bslicker   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for bslicker

I am Happy for you Ali
So what does that mean, your people?
Get what I am saying.
I think you miss what I am saying
My people go back to Adam and Eve any agruements.
Understand now


Bernie



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32 posted 11-05-2005 05:12 PM       View Profile for Not A Poet   Email Not A Poet   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Not A Poet's Home Page   View IP for Not A Poet

Now Bernie, if you can actually trace your family tree that far back then that is some feat.   

(Just kidding, of course)
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33 posted 11-06-2005 03:48 AM       View Profile for Aenimal   Email Aenimal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aenimal

quote:
Nitpick if you want, but I'd appreciate words not being torn out of context then used to imply blanket generalizations, as I strive very hard to avoid those.


I didn't tear your words out of context, the statement:

quote:
I've been called a bigot, racist, and other less polite racial slurs from dark tinctured Americans not for anything I've said or done.  Merely based on the color of my skin, not the content of my character.  My, how Dr. King would be proud of his legacy.


is a careless generalization, as written it equates the legacy of King with the judgemental 'dark tinctured' individuals you've encountered.

You explained yourself afterwards and that's fine, my only point was people should be careful with comments like that and little subconscious habits, like the need to state a person's skin colour as if it has anything to do with the stories we tell.
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34 posted 11-06-2005 09:56 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Well, at least we understand each other a bit better, since I really didn't know what you were referring to until you blocked it in quotes.  To put it another way, I've never had any racial issues at all from any other melanomic pigmentation than from those on the darker scale of brown.  Not from Hispanics, Asians, Pan-Europeans, Middle Easterners, but a lot more than none from those of African or Carribean ethnicity.  To be blunt, the only times I've been called racial epithets have been from the mouths of African-Americans, and never for anything I said or did.  It was always based on the color of my skin.

Now, normally I just shrug it off and go about my own business.  However, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

And yeah, I did tie it all into Dr. King.  Rosa Parks was an instrumental player in the Civil Rights Movement, but it was headed by Dr. King who in his famous speech said 'judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character'.  So to those few, who just happen to be African-American, who toss slurs my way based on my skin color, I can still desire the same they desire, to be judged on the content of my character, and not by the color of my skin.
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35 posted 11-06-2005 06:01 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Thank you, Bernie
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36 posted 12-16-2005 10:02 PM       View Profile for Jaime Fradera   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jaime Fradera

The reference to Bill Clinton  parodys the sex President's penchant for injecting himself into historical events in which he may not have particapitated and that, as reputedly  either the first black white boy or the first  white black boy, he sat with own people, whoever they were, because he was going to be the President some day.
It's a form of convoluted historical revisionism in which he seems fond of engaging to this day.
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