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0 posted 09-18-2005 03:59 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

quote:
Three weeks after Hurricane Katrina struck, red tape and poor planning have left thousands of evacuees without basic services, according to local and state officials, public policy experts and survivors themselves.

Hundreds of thousands of people from New Orleans and Gulf Coast communities have fled, sometimes to neighboring states and beyond, moving in with friends and family or into shelters, public housing and hotels funded by the Red Cross. With little guidance from federal and state governments -- and no single person or entity in charge of the overall operation -- cities and counties have been left on their own to find survivors homes, schools, jobs and health care. A patchwork of policies has resulted, causing relief agencies to sometimes work at cross-purposes.


Lack of cohesion

similarities

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Iraq and New Orleans now seem to be morphing into a single entity, New Oraq, to be devoured by the same limited set of corporations, let loose and overseen by the same small set of Bush administration officials. In George Bush's new world of globalization, first comes the destruction and only then does one sit down at the planetary table to sup.

In recent weeks, news has been seeping out of Iraq that the "reconstruction" of that country is petering out, because the money is largely gone. According to American officials, reported T. Christian Miller of the Los Angeles Times last week, "The U.S. will halt construction work on some water and power plants in Iraq because it is running out of money for projects." A variety of such reconstruction projects crucial to the everyday lives of Iraqis, the British Guardian informs us, are now "grinding to a halt" as "plans to overhaul the country's infrastructure have been downsized, postponed or abandoned because the $24bn budget approved by Congress has been dwarfed by the scale of the task."


Are we or are we not overextended?

Why is Rove being put in charge of the "Reconstruction"?

Are these the only companies that can do this kind of thing? Doesn't it bother anyone else that these are the only companies that can do this kind of thing?

Uh, does anybody have any good news?



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1 posted 09-18-2005 04:15 PM       View Profile for inot2B   Email inot2B   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for inot2B

I have a question! If all this money has been offered to help the Katrina victims and we now have what is suppose to be Rita entering the Gulf this week, will there be any money to help the next victims?
Yes I know you are comparing Iraq w/ Katrina but it just doesn't seem to ever stop.
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2 posted 09-18-2005 04:43 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

The Enron president?
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3 posted 09-18-2005 05:26 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

LR, I'm not sure I understand why you are bringing Clinton into this...


The bulk of Enron's alleged chicanery happened during the Clinton administration.
Source: Fortune Magazine


The bad news for those who still worship Mr. Clinton is that Enron not only donated $100,000 to Clinton's 1993 inauguration but, according to the records, also added an additional $25,000 to the Clinton 1993 celebrations.

The documented evidence shows that Enron did make it into the Clinton White House by special invitation. Senior Vice President Terrance H. Thorn had coffee with Bill Clinton on March 5, 1996.

Many of the other attendees of the Clinton White House coffee sessions also make up a long list of convicted criminals, arms dealers and bagmen for illegal DNC contributions.

Enron's association with the Clinton White House comes even closer to home when you consider the many corporate foreign trade trips paid for by your tax dollars. In 1994, Enron's CEO Ken Lay surfaced on a list of attendees wishing to travel to Russia with Ron Brown.

One person who did make the trade trip to Russia was Roger Tamraz. Interpol then wanted Tamraz, a Lebanese oil financier, for embezzling nearly $80 million from a Middle Eastern bank. Tamraz, who made most of his money selling Libyan oil, would later give more than $300,000 to the DNC after having coffee with Bill Clinton in the White House.

Enron made a $100,000 donation to the DNC just days prior to the trade mission to the former Yugoslav province. Commerce Department documents clearly note that Enron was interested in the "Zagreb" portion of the trip.

Even in the last days of Bill Clinton, Enron execs were on the go. Enron traveled to South Korea with Commerce Secretary William Daley in 1999. Daley would go on to run Vice President Al Gore's failed bid for the White House in 2000.

The most damning evidence linking Bill Clinton and Enron to corruption is the documentation that shows Enron received U.S. taxpayer monies in order to finance a corrupt deal with Indonesia.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/28/12723.shtml

The Washington Times reported Thursday that the Clinton administration coughed up more than $1 billion in taxpayer-subsidized loans to Enron Corp. just when the energy giant was kicking in almost $2 million for Democrat causes. And as we have previously reported, to help persuade then-President Bill Clinton to push the disastrous Kyoto Protocol, Enron gave $420,000 to Democrats.

Moreover, the Clinton administration, "which lauded Chairman Kenneth L. Lay as an exemplary 'corporate citizen,' granted about $200 million worth of insurance against political risks for nine Enron projects in such politically volatile areas as Argentina, Venezuela and the Gaza Strip, according to documents the agencies provided to the Senate Finance Committee."

"These projects obviously were a tremendous benefit to Enron's operations," Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, ranking minority member of the committee, told the Times. The Reagan and Bush administrations approved not a single loan for Enron between 1985 and 1992 and provided insurance for only one Enron power project in Guatemala in 1992, he noted.

On the other hand, the Clinton administration made three loans between 1994 and 1998 to the now-defunct Dabhol power project in India. Ron Brown, Clinton's commerce secretary, bragged about the approval of the Dabhol loans during a trade mission to India in 1995, while Lay stood by his side.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/21/153014.shtml


Enron's Democrat Pals
Documents obtained by TIME show the energy giant enjoyed much closer ties with Clinton Administration regulators than was generally known
By MICHAEL WEISSKOPF
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Before its messy decline and fall, Enron had plenty of clout in George W. Bush's Washington, from the personal ties between chairman Ken Lay and the President to the company's alleged influence on Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force. But Enron's cozy relationship with Washington didn't start there. Documents obtained by TIME show the energy giant enjoyed much closer ties with Clinton Administration regulators than was generally known. Long before Cheney's task force met with Enron officials and included their ideas in Bush's energy plan, Clinton's energy team was doing much the same thing. Drafting a 1995 plan to help facilitate cash flow and credit for energy producers, it asked for Enron's input—and listened. The staff was directed to "rework the proposal to take into account the specific comments and suggestions you made," Clinton Deputy Energy Secretary Bill White wrote an Enron official.

Clinton officials also made efforts to help Enron get business overseas. Clinton Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary included Enron officials on trade missions to India, China, Pakistan and South Africa. White, returning from a 1994 trip to Mexico, wrote chairman Lay that "much opportunity" existed there for natural gas, and he sent a copy of Mexico's energy plans. To persuade an Enron senior vice president to join a mission to Pakistan, White wrote, "I have strong personal relationships with the existing government."

Enron showed its gratitude. At Christmas 1995, documents show, it donated an unknown sum of cash in O'Leary's name to a charity called "I Have a Dream." And when Clinton ran for re-election a year later, the company made its largest single contribution ever—$100,000—to the President's party.
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,338580,00.html

Your comment about Clinton could almost be considered a cheap shot by liberals

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4 posted 09-18-2005 06:23 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Well I was merely referring to the largest bankruptcy in history...

But if you're going to be silly at least be objective;

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One thing is clear: There are very few politicians in Washington that haven’t been on the receiving end of campaign donations from Enron or its equally troubled auditor, Arthur Andersen. Over the last decade, both companies have been among the most prolific givers to federal candidates and parties, while at the same time spending millions of dollars on lobbyists to advance their agenda on Capitol Hill.

Between 1989 and 2001, Enron contributed nearly $6 million to federal parties and candidates, more than two-thirds to Republicans. More than $2 million of that money came during the 1999-2000 election cycle alone, when the company became one of the biggest boosters to President Bush’s campaign for the White House.  Enron’s PAC and its employees contributed $114,000 to Bush during the 2000 campaign, while former Enron CEO Kenneth Lay served as one of Bush’s Pioneers, individuals who raised at least $100,000 for the campaign.

Andersen, meanwhile, was an even bigger supporter of Bush, having contributed $146,000 via its employees and PAC in 1999-2000. D. Stephen Goddard, relieved of his managerial duties in Anderson’s Houston office in January, also was one of Bush’s biggest individual donors during the election. All told, Andersen has contributed more than $5.2 million in soft money, PAC and individual contributions to federal parties and candidates, more than half to Republicans.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/enron/index.asp
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5 posted 09-18-2005 07:01 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Silly?...it's just that when I see cute insults with little value tossed into a thread for kicks, I suppose, it brings out a little imp..

Objective? hmmm...something like....?

-From 1990 to 1994 Enron gave 42% of their donations to Democrats.
Source: The Center for Responsive Politics

Florida's state pension fund, which lost $325 million on Enron, is examining what role Frank Savage, a major Democratic donor, may have played in the state's loss. The fund's investments were directed by Alliance Capital Management, where Savage was a senior executive and chairman at the same time he sat on Enron's board. He donated $100,000 to Democrats and raised money for New York gubernatorial candidate Carl McCall.
Source: Time Magazine

Lloyd Bensten, Clinton's first treasury secretary, was a recipient of Enron's money. At the time of his campaign for Senate, he received the second largest donation from Enron.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

Robert Rubin, Bensten's successor, was involved with Enron while he worked as an investment banker at Goldman & Sachs. Clinton first hired Rubin to head his National Economic Council. Soon afterwards, Rubin wrote on Goldman Sachs stationery to former clients, including Enron, that he ''looked forward to continuing to work with you in my new capacity.''
Source: WorldNet Daily

In the days when Franjo Tudjman was Croatia's dictator and pretending to be both a reformed communist and best friend of America in the Balkans, poor Franjo had a problem. He and some of his very best friends were wanted as war criminals by the Hague's International Court of Justice. Enron wanted a power contract with Croatia. Enron offered a deal to Tudjman. Sign up with us and we will use our gang in Washington to make sure you and your friends don't go to jail.

Tudjman signed. Enron made a heap of money. Nobody went to jail. Everyone was happy - until Tudjman died of cancer. Then the lid was off, his Croatian Democratic Union was defeated and the new boys in power in Zagreb could not believe how much of their budget went to pay the electricity bills from Enron.
Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review

In August 1993, McLarty, Clinton's former chief of staff, arranged an invitation for Lay, Enron's CEO, to play golf with Clinton in Vail, Colorado. This date irritated Oscar Wyatt, chief executive of Coastal, another natural gas company that had helped the Clinton election campaign raise funds. These connections to the Democratic administration helped Enron considerably.
Source: Time Magazine

Enron got permission to build a pipeline from Mozambique to South Africa after National Security Adviser Anthony Lake threatened to withhold aid to Mozambique if it didnt approve the project.
Source: Mozambique News Agency


-Enron Corporation donated $100,000 to the Democratic National Committee. Six days later, Enron executives were on a trade mission with Commerce Secretary Mickey Kantor to Bosnia and Croatia. With Kantor's support, Enron signed a $100 million contract to build a 150-megawatt power plant.
Source: The Weekly Standard


Democratic Senators Chuck Schumer of New York, John Breaux of Louisiana, and Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico--chair of the Senate Energy Committee--are among the top beneficiaries of Enron's political donations.
Source: Fortune Magazine


Joe Lieberman and Tom Daschle's Largest Contributor in the 2000 election cycle was Enron's Largest Creditor, Citigroup.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics


Former Democratic Texas Gov. Ann Richards appointed Ken Lay ,the Enron exec, to the Governor's Business Council and received contributions from Enron.
Source: Washington Post

Al Gore and Bill Clinton introduced Enron to market managers in Russia, China, Indonesia and India. In India, Enron quickly became involved in one of that country's most massive corruption investigations, contracts were canceled and Enron was out.
Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review

-Government records show that, during the Clinton years, Lay and other Enron executives got seats on at least four Energy Department trade missions and at least seven Commerce Department trade trips.
Source: WorldNet Daily


The congressman who recieved the most money from Enron in the past 12 years is Ken Bentsen (D-Texas) who received $42,750. The second largest receiver was Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) who received $38,000
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

According to internal Enron documents and the recollections of former employees, Chairman Kenneth L. Lay had the ear of top Democrats in the 1980s and '90s. He and his colleagues used that access to promote the company's interests with the Clinton administration and key congressional Democrats.
Source: Washington Post

Enron's political action committee gave $10,000 in 2000 to the New Democrat Network, which was co-founded by Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.). Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential nominee that year, now chairs the Senate Government Affairs Committee, which is leading an inquiry into Enron's collapse.
Source: Washington Post


Feel free to ignore any or all of the above articles as you wish. Objective, LR? Bush happened to be the one sitting in the White House at the time the dam burst but Enron was Clinton's child for many years. I daresay, that if the personalities were reversed along with your preferences, you could build an equally damning case against Clinton.

The Enron president? He's right up there in those paragraphs...

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6 posted 09-18-2005 07:24 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Well if your goal is to prove that Democrats are only 42% dirty and Republicans are 58% dirty then your case is closed.

Objective -- that would be to represent ALL the facts:
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/enron/enron_totals.asp
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/enron/enron_pres.asp

And by the 2000 campaign 72% of Enron contributions were going to Republicans and only 28% to Democrats -- and we know who Ken Lay's best bud was?  Hmmm?

Oh.. and -- lets not leave out that Repubilcans in the Congress (who held the purse strings) were the ones that authorized those funds Mike.  Of course most of it happened before the Bush administration -- they went bankrupt in 2001... how bad would it be if they hadn't?

But he still has Haliburton.

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7 posted 09-18-2005 07:29 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

LOL! Congrats, Reb. I thought I had the lead in the cheap shots dept but you're taking the title away from me!


Sorry to hijack your thread, Brad. LR started it!!
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8 posted 09-18-2005 07:37 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

I'm afraid there's nothing cheap about it Mike.

You and I are footing the bill as the wealth is redistributed from the working class to the Oligarchy.
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9 posted 09-18-2005 07:44 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

or should I say Plutocracy?

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10 posted 09-18-2005 07:56 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

And I think this may be what Brad is getting at?

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WASHINGTON - August 3 - Halliburton's board of directors has given nearly $300,000 to Republican candidates and political action committees over the 2004 campaign season, a HalliburtonWatch analysis reveals. The board, comprised mostly of individuals from the energy industry, gave $296,065 (or 99 percent) to the Republicans and $4,000 (or 1 percent) to the Democrats. Halliburton's political action committee gave another $133,500 to political campaigns, with $120,000 (or 90 percent) going to the Republicans. The dollar amounts are current through June 30, 2004 and were obtained from the Center for Responsive Politics.

The biggest political donor on Halliburton's board is Ray Hunt, who is the chief executive officer of Hunt Oil, a privately-owned oil company with operations in the middle east, Africa and South America. Its major oil production operations are located in the United States, Canada and Yemen.

Hunt, who inherited his "success" from his wealthy father H.L. Hunt, is notorious for protecting his inheritance by supporting pro-oil causes around the world, including fellow oil man President George W. Bush, who appointed Hunt as finance chairman of the Republican National Committee's Victory 2000 Committee. During the 2000 campaign, Hunt was designated as one of the 241 Bush "Pioneers" because he raised more than $100,000 in campaign donations from his family, friends and colleagues. Former President George H.W. Bush's press secretary in the White House, Jim Oberwetter, had worked for Ray Hunt for nearly three decades.

Federal election records show that Hunt and his wife have so far donated $120,000 of their own money to the 2004 election cycle. All of that money went to Republican candidates or Republican political action committees.



http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0803-02.htm
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Good thing the Democratic leaders aren't wealthy....

Just go ahead and say Bushocracy and put it to bed
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12 posted 09-18-2005 08:11 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Exactly my point Mike... you can vote for a wealthy Democrat, or a wealthy Republican.   Plutocracy.

But, under Republican ideology poverty keeps increasing.  Why is that when oil companies are posting $35 billion dollar profits per quarter (pre-Katrina hikes)?  While real wages are falling.
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Bunnatine Greenhouse said she was forced out of her job as a top U.S. Army Corps of Engineers contracting official on August 27 after raising questions about Halliburton Co.'s contracts in Iraq and testifying to an earlier policy committee hearing on the matter.

"I was removed because I steadfastly resisted and attempted to alter what can be described as casual and clubby contracting practices by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers commanders, and because I presented testimony before this body on June 27, 2005," she said.

Greenhouse told the committee in June that Halliburton's deals in Iraq were the worst example of contract abuse she had seen, adding that "every aspect" of the deal had been under the control of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's office.

Halliburton has strongly rejected Greenhouse's comments.

Halliburton Co.'s subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root has already been given a $29.8 million contract to rebuild Navy bases along the Katrina battered Gulf Coast. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former head of Halliburton.

Estimates of the federal government cost in reconstructing the shattered region have been as high as $200 billion.

Christy Watts, a former contracting officer for the Corps of Engineers, said she was forced to sign off on some contracts despite her objections and was told by supervisors not to go over their heads.

"The plight I encountered as a whistle-blower in the Army Corp of Engineers was nothing short of traumatic," said Watts, who described herself as a Republican. "For the first time in my life, I was forced to seek medical assistance to deal with the stress."

Watts said a settlement agreement with the Army Corps included a provision that she was not to contact the special counsel about her concerns about contract abuse.

A Dorgan aide said officials from the Army Corps had been invited to testify but declined.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/16/AR2005091601282.html
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While wages are falling?  Ever hear of NAFTA, the brainchild of Perot, signed into law very shortly after Clinton first gained office?  It's a common corporate practice now, and has been for some time, to keep the corporate offices in the US, then to send manufacturing facilities into Mexico.  Canada has far too many taxes to entice most US corporations except for the sado-masochistic.  Since Mexican employees accept much lower wages, compensation and perks than their US counterparts, of course wages will fall in the US, as the skilled unionized workers demanding higher wages can be easily denied, moving the jobs south of the border.  President HW Bush didn't sign this into law, neither did GW Bush.  Look to President Clinton, the lying under oath before a Federal Grand Jury hero, right around 1992 or 1993.

As far as Watts, though I support whistleblowing, she broke a very common business practice of insuboriniation by going over the heads of her superiors instead of following the Chain of Command.  She didn't go through the Chain without redress, she went directly over all their heads at go, which is my assumption lacking any other contradicting evidence.

I already can sense the response, so I'll go ahead and save time and energy with saying 'actions and consequences', that most despided saying among liberals.  She chose to usurp her superiors, and paid the consequences.  You go through the Chain, and if no satisfaction is found, then you go higher.  You don't start at higher then bemoan the fact that superiors and coworkers don't trust you.
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I think you're mistaken or misinformed.  Perot was vehemently opposed to NAFTA.  Do you remember the phrase 'Giant Sucking Sound'?

NAFTA was a conservative agenda item that was actually an expansion of the US/Canada Free Trade agreement that went into effect in 1989 and was heavily pushed by both the Bush41 White House and Clinton campaigns.  Perot was trying to differentiate himself from the Plutocracy by opposing it.

I used to have 3 Maquiladora plants under my responsibilities and I can tell you from first hand experience that NAFTA did nothing to enhance the lives of average Mexican labor.

I can also tell you that even though Clinton did make NAFTA his major legislative push in 1993 real wages grew under the Clinton years and people rolled out of poverty and off the welfare rolls.

But, where I agree with you Cat, and I've written extensively about it here, and professionally, is that it is the folly of our time to chase cheap labor around the globe.  Not only do we endanger our economic viability but we create a security threat as well -- which would be a good topic for another thread.

I also fought with the UAW every day as I was management and worked with people who got up in the morning every day to try to figure out how to screw the Union.  Of course the Union did the same thing.  It was like the old cartoon of the sheepdog and the coyote -- except when it was time to punch out nobody was friends.

True to form though -- as soon as there is an opportunity the Bushies look for a way to do more Union busting. It's funny I didn't hear any of them say it would expedite the rebuilding effort if Haliburton would agree to reduce its profit margins.
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reference
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Well, if I'm mistaken, then I rescind the Perot comment.  I could've sworn it was a very popular pro-campaign issue for Perot, which helped to split the Republicans for a slim victory for Clinton in 1992, since if Perot had not run, HW Bush would've had a very strong majority popular vote.

Edit:  On a google search for 'nafta perot', a wikipedia article cleared up my addlepated mind.

NAFTA was never about raising up the Mexican workers, it was about increasing US corporate profits while making US labor costs decrease.  That's it in a nutshell, since Mexican semi's aren't allowed to penetrate very far at all in the US, due to US emission rules, which was known at the time of signing.  Well, known by the US, not necessarily by Mexico.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9379241/

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Sept. 26, 2005 issue - Adversity builds character," goes the old adage. Except that in America today we seem to be following the opposite principle. The worse things get, the more frivolous our response. President Bush explains that he will spend hundreds of billions of dollars rebuilding the Gulf Coast without raising any new revenues. Republican leader Tom DeLay declines any spending cuts because "there is no fat left to cut in the federal budget."


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Bush is not the only one to blame. Congressional spending is now completely out of control. The federal coffers are being looted for congressional patronage, and it is being done openly and without any guilt. The highway bill of 1982 had 10 "earmarked" projects—the code word for pork. The 2005 one has 6,371. The bill, written by the House transportation committee, is called the Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users, or TEA-LU (in honor of chairman Don Young's wife, Lu). This use of public office for private whims would seem more appropriate in Saudi Arabia than America. Perhaps next year's bill will include a necklace for Mrs. Young.


In the video of "Type" by Living Color, you have the fat cats eating a cake in the form of an earth. That image keeps looping inside my head right now.
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19 posted 09-19-2005 07:52 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

I don't know. Can you make this stuff up?

Clinton's fault

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Livingston makes a couple of points, both of which are completely ridiculous:

[U]nfortunately, you know, we had a tremendous amount of burden that was handed to us by the Clinton administration with the growth of the government scandals¡¦

I¡¯m not familiar with the ¡°growth of government scandals.¡± I do know that under Clinton the federal workforce was cut by 377,000 to its lowest level since 1960. During the Clinton years, government grew slower than any time since the Eisenhower Administration. The size of government actually shrank relative to the size of the economy.

On to point #2:

[T]hen we got hit by 9/11, terrorist action which was due to the growth of the very radical Muslim element and led by Osama Bin Laden which we could have taken out in the last decade.

Interesting point Congressman. So when Clinton attacked al-Qaeda terrorist sites in Afghanistan in an effort to kill Bin Laden you must have been all for it, right? Here¡¯s Livingston on those efforts in the Associated Press on 9/20/98:

To invert a phrase, life often imitates art and ¡®¡±Wag the Dog¡± was a popular movie six months ago.

The ¡°blame Clinton¡± defense appears to be in its last throes.


And when did the House become Republican?

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I am amused by this thread.

Juju - 1.) a magic charm or fetish 2.)Magic 3.)A taboo connected woth the use of magic

The dictionary never lies.... I am magical (;

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To be honest, I have some sympathy for Rush. He works hard and can be genuinely funny occasionally, it seems inevitable that he's going to screw up given the sheer amount of air time that he has.

But he offers a completely different interpretation of Bush's speech:

quote:
The president said we tried it your way for 60 years; we¡¯re going to do it my way now. He didn¡¯t put it in those words but there¡¯s plenty of conservative policy in his speech last night in terms of how to go about spending this money and rebuilding it. And you¡¯re going to see these policies, these philosophies, put into place. They¡¯ve worked in other places. Enterprise zone, for example, that¡¯s going to be targeted here in this region. ¡¦

The speech was great last night, within, you know, the limitations that we know exist. The table is set for a complete rout of the American left. They can be blown away. We can make this a Category 5 hurricane destruction of the left if this is done right. ¡¦

[T]he one thing that [the left] cannot risk is an on-site display and illustration of conservatism working. As long they can keep conservatism as something that¡¯s just argued about, and just something that¡¯s spoken about, talked about, ¡°Well, they don¡¯t fear it that much."


Is this an admission that the current Congress and administration are not conservative?

Is this an admission that nothing has worked for that last five years, the last ten?

Is this an admission that they're going to be conservative starting from last week?

Or is it simply a sign of the vacuousness of the speech itself?
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It's a sign that Rush recognizes that his main gig is to preach to the choir and make them feel good -- especially when the President's numbers are tanking like they are.

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speaking of tanking the President
google the word 'failure'
see what comes up first LOL


OK, so here is Googles explanation:

Googlebombing 'failure'

9/16/2005 12:54:00 PM
Posted by Marissa Mayer, Director of Consumer Web Products

If you do a Google search on the word [failure] or the phrase [miserable failure], the top result is currently the White House’s official biographical page for President Bush. We've received some complaints recently from users who assume that this reflects a political bias on our part. I'd like to explain how these results come up in order to allay these concerns.

Google's search results are generated by computer programs that rank web pages in large part by examining the number and relative popularity of the sites that link to them. By using a practice called googlebombing, however, determined pranksters can occasionally produce odd results. In this case, a number of webmasters use the phrases [failure] and [miserable failure] to describe and link to President Bush's website, thus pushing it to the top of searches for those phrases. We don't condone the practice of googlebombing, or any other action that seeks to affect the integrity of our search results, but we're also reluctant to alter our results by hand in order to prevent such items from showing up. Pranks like this may be distracting to some, but they don't affect the overall quality of our search service, whose objectivity, as always, remains the core of our mission.


Sorry for interjecting this bit of humor into a serious thread, but sometimes, ya just gotta laugh at what's going on.
 
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