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100 posted 09-10-2005 09:36 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Speaking of Brown, perhaps everyone against him has forgotten his prior 3 years as FEMA director.  How many major hurricanes have we had struck the US?  How many displaced people were helped by FEMA quickly?  Why where they helped out quickly?  The affected state governments made very sure FEMA knew about their situation after the states had done everything in their power to help their citizens.  And FEMA responded in a very timely manner.  To them, the Federal Government was a last resort, when ALL state resources were expended.  With Hurricane Katrina, FEMA didn't respond as quickly as some would have wanted, but they did with ALL the prior hurricanes over the past 3 years.  I wonder why that is.
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101 posted 09-10-2005 09:41 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I listed them, 'cat. There were no responses or comments...
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102 posted 09-10-2005 10:16 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Go fig...  You and I are part of a small handful of peoples here who don't agree fully with the current Administration, but don't try to find fault at every turn.
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quote:
"State and local governments are looking to us for leadership. They are looking to FEMA to tell them where are the holes in response plans? Where are the holes in our mutual aid agreements? What incentives can you provide us to fill those holes? I think my role is a very serious one. I think the agency's role is a very serious one, that we should not just wait for someone to petition or request that we evaluate, that those types of plans should be evaluated (plans regarding evacuations) on an ongoing basis. It would be my intent to somehow implement the ongoing evaluation so we do not have to look in hindsight and say, gosh, we wish we had looked at that. We should be looking at that all the time to make sure they (plans) are adequate, and I will pledge to you that we will certainly do that."
- FEMA head Michael Brown, at his confirmation hearings.

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104 posted 09-10-2005 10:21 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Okay Ali,

What do you find fault with in the current administration?

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105 posted 09-10-2005 10:46 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Ok Mike..

Mike said;
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I would be very interested in seeing any comments by Bush or the White House politicos which villified or insulted or criticized either Blanco or Nagin from the beginning...or whenever....I haven't found any.



This is the White House not playing the 'blame game'.

In his weekly radio address last Saturday the President himself put the blame on Blanco and Nagin when he said;

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The magnitude of the crisis "has created tremendous problems that have strained state and local capabilities," he said. "The result is that many of our citizens simply are not getting the help they need, especially in New Orleans. And that is unacceptable."



Chertoff said;
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In a Washington briefing, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said one reason federal assets were not used more quickly was "because our constitutional system really places the primary authority in each state with the governor."



Brown said;
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"the mayor can order an evacuation and try to evacuate the city, but if the mayor does not have the resources to get the poor, elderly, the disabled, those who cannot, out, or if he does not even have police capacity to enforce the mandatory evacuation, to make people leave, then you end up with the kind of situation we have right now in New Orleans."



The response from NOLA;

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New Orleans City Council President Oliver Thomas acknowledged that the city was surprised by the number of refugees left behind, but he said FEMA should have been prepared to assist.
"Everybody shares the blame here," said Thomas. "But when you talk about the mightiest government in the world, that's a ludicrous and lame excuse. You're FEMA, and you're the big dog. And you weren't prepared either."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680_pf.html

that's about all I have time for right now

Cat -- I have addressed the issue of Brown's (2-not 3) year tenure as director and am correctly crediting Jeb, as I found out today, Scarborough confirms.

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So as not to hijack this thread, I sent my response via email, Brad.

*nod* I do agree in part this time, Reb, about Brown's reaction time.  Though there were prepositioned items and personnel, they proved to be inadequate given the nature of the storm and aftermath, and the nature of damage sustained to those items and personnel.  I do think on this one, Brown was caught offguard and fell back onto the beaurocratic 'check all the proper boxes' syndrome, instead of taking the bull by the horns like he did in prior year hurricanes.  He was overwhelmed, Governor Blanco was overwhelmed, Mayor Navin was overwhelmed.  It's been a very long time since any major city was directly impacted by a storm of this magnitude, much less such a metropolitan multi-state area.  I really don't think there's been several million displaced and evacuated citizens from a hurricane before with not much left to return to, except for memories.  Several thousand?  Yes.  Tens of thousands?  Yes.  Hundreds of thousands?  Rarely.  Several million?  In the USA?  Due to population growth and expansion, that has to be a first.
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LOL! Brad, you sound like one the reporters that constantly ask Bush.."Mr. President, what do you think is your biggest mistake?" - "Mr. President, what do you feel you have done you would like to change?" - "Mr. President, what is your saddest regret?" The old 'get them to defend themselves' routine.

I'll play. Bush has done many things I would like to have seen done differently, including stem cell research and the immigrations policies......
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108 posted 09-10-2005 10:52 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Should add quickly that the turnaround of the rescue effort directly correlates to the assignment of Vc Adm. Allen last Monday -- even though it wasn't officially made a headline until Friday
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/06/AR2005090601677.html
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LR, you are calling those examples villifications and name-calling insults, comparable to the Democratic comments aimed at Bush???

In the words of the effervescent John McEnroe... YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!!
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110 posted 09-10-2005 11:01 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

no... I didn't say anything about name-calling or insults..

I said

"But you have Nagin and Blanco being villified by the poliicos in the White House which started immediately -- and of course they are being blasted relentlessly by talk radio."

In every one of those comments above the White House is trying to play the blame game -- show me where in any of those comments those gentlemen take any responsibility for their lack of action?

Where do they place the problem?

That's called blame.

This is like Karl Rove saying he didn't use Valerie Plame's name Mike -- all he did was say 'his wife' -- YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING.
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111 posted 09-10-2005 11:13 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

The magnitude of the crisis "has created tremendous problems that have strained state and local capabilities

    one reason federal assets were not used more quickly was "because our constitutional system really places the primary authority in each state with the governor."

if the mayor does not have the resources to get the poor, elderly, the disabled, those who cannot, out, or if he does not even have police capacity to enforce the mandatory evacuation,


The first comment blames the magnitude of the crisis.

The second blames our constitutional system.

The third blames the lack of resources for the mayor.

in none of those comments was blame directed at a specific individual, nor was none named.

I say again, if those examples are what you find comparable to the slurs against Bush...if those comments are what you call villification....then I feel you come up short.

Vilification.....To make vicious and defamatory statements about.

Please point out the viciousness toward Blanco or Nagin in those comments...
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Off Topic:  Until Novak printed and ran a story that was supposedly 'off the record', I had no idea who took Plame for a spouse, since at the time the husband and wife did not share the same last name.  Come to think of it, I don't think they do even now.  'Off the record' used to mean something in the media, just like honor, honesty and integrity used to mean something in the media.  Nowadays, they's all scarce, if even existant.
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The fact is, which I feel certain you will not concur with, that The White House has maintained class and dignity throughout this event. There is certainly enough information to hang both Blanco and Nagin out to dry and yet they have not used it, leaving the name-calling and accusatory ravings to the Democrats, who are more than willing to engage in those activities. Don't think the American people don't recognize this. They do...a small fact that the Democrats have not realized for 5 years and they continue wondering why they lose ground....
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Mike, I would say that was fairly standard protocol, almost regardless of which party occupies the White House. When you're standing on the top of the hill, you simply don't have to push as hard to keep others at the bottom.

Nonetheless, I, for one, certainly appreciate the Administration showing a little more restraint than its opposition might be showing at times. I would be considerably more impressed, however, if they actually shouldered some responsibility instead of blaming "the magnitude of the crisis," "our constitutional system," and "the lack of resources for the mayor." Even your interpretation still has them pointing fingers everywhere but at themselves.

What I would really appreciate is more honesty and less spin, on both sides of the fence.

I find it interesting, and perhaps telling, that our thread in the Alley on the problems of Katrina has now taken a backseat to this thread. The earlier thread now has fewer posts than this one, and none have been added in the past few days. Exploring the problems and possible solutions seems to be less important than assigning the blame, or more accurately, spreading the blame, and perhaps less exciting than the constant games of one-upmanship (or, one-downmanship as the case may be).

Republicans, Democrats, left, right, liberals, conservatives. The labels seem to have long since replaced the issues, with more emphasis on the competition of the game instead of the goals either side might hope to win. Does it really matter what one politician has to say about another politician? Call me crazy, but I think what they DO seems a lot more important than what they say. One side can't very well vilify the other when neither side can be believed.
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115 posted 09-11-2005 02:53 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

quote:

What I would really appreciate is more honesty and less spin, on both sides of the fence.



adamantly, unequivically, expressly agree..

No Mike, I don't see the administration doing things like calling Blanco or Nagin racists... it would be a pretty silly thing to do.

And you're welcome to favor the interpretation of those comments any way you like.  

But, you know I hear Chertoff blaming the victims, I hear the talk show surrogates -- you know it's just disgusting.  And I'm not going to get into a protracted run on the word 'villify'.  We both know what the spin doctors do.

Ron... amazingly -- Chertoff does assume responsibility for something -- at least on his webpage -- apparently somebody forgot to change it before the storm hit.
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Ron, I absolutely agree with you, and admit that I myself have played a great role in what you are speaking of; encouraging more debate than dialogue, wearing more of the black hat than the yellow hat.

I believe, understandably, we are all still in the process of calming down to relative normalcy here (if such a thing ever really existed) as we have all been emotionally moved by this historic, devastating storm, which too many of the pictures just leave you speechless, words can't make justice of all that has happened. We all are understandably trying to find closure within all this, not just the victims, but all of us who are seeking answers and plagued by more and more new questions that seem to weigh us down.

You're absolutely correct in pointing out that this thread has out-paced the original "Katrina" thread, which undoubtedly does tell us something, it does send a message. (Of course some of this same rhetoric was being voiced out in the "Katrina" thread as well)

I suppose it's truly no surprise why here debate makes more of a mood than dialogue; that's just what the atmosphere of The Alley has always appeared to me as. I believe if we had a Katrina thread in the Piptalk Lounge you're most likely to have a whole different atmosphere and result. Nevertheless, though I admit I'm been quite outspoken in this thread, you do notice I make an effort at the end of every several posts I make to let a silver lining break through, say about some of the good that is happening, like I have about discussing these matters together, the most absolute and inspiring warmth of the American public and Congress passing the near $52 billion. In a place like The Alley, yes, I probably argue more about what's wrong with the picture than what's right, but I strive to seek balance, and in other forums you'll see me in a different mood.

But I thank you very much, Ron, for taking the moment to share this feeling, this concern in your heart, which I absolutely agree with and believe we all certainly do, and I believe in making the effort to find solutions doesn't necessarily have to happen here in this very thread, but we all must take this to heart crucially to open up in a dialogue setting and form this sort of discussion in any form.

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I'm kind of curious. Why can't we quote Bush attack dogs?

You know, Rush, Hannity, Gibson, Cavuto, O'Reilly etc.

Sure, you can argue that they aren't part of the government, you can say that they don't represent policy, but is there anybody here that doesn't think they aid the administration?

And contribute to the polarization and divisiveness of the country?
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Exploring the problems and possible solutions seems to be less important than assigning the blame, or more accurately, spreading the blame, and perhaps less exciting than the constant games of one-upmanship (or, one-downmanship as the case may be).


Unfortunately, Ron, that makes the Alley a pretty good reflection of reality. The amount of space given to finger-pointing and blame-laying in the newspapers and on network news has been there since the beginning and grows every day. Probably one of the reasons of that is the grisly sights we saw immediately after the hurricane hit. We saw horrific footage of bodies in the water, people in squalor in the Superdome, stories of a rape and snipers and people got enraged, screaming, "How could this happen in America?" and looked to place blame. Democrats recognized this and immediately jumped on the opportunity to exploit that anger to their advantage. Republican milque-toast comments like the ones quoted above were more in RESPONSE to accusations than offered opinions. Bush has continously said during this time that the priority here is dealing with the tragedy and told congress directly to keep the politics out of it, that they would have plenty of time later for political attacks. Obviously, that hasn't come to pass. I believe the White House is acting the way you state should be done. If you weigh the negativity out there, I think you will find the scales tipped heavily on the left side.

I, too, would like to see both sides accept their share of the blame for what went wrong. There is certainly plenty of it to go around. I'm not holding my breath...we are talking politicians here.

Brad...they are not part of the government. I don't recall any of them being given seats of honor next to a past president at the Republican National Convention, either.
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119 posted 09-11-2005 03:42 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

"Unfortunately, Ron, that makes the Alley a pretty good reflection of reality. The amount of space given to finger-pointing and blame-laying in the newspapers and on network news has been there since the beginning and grows every day. Probably one of the reasons of that is the grisly sights we saw immediately after the hurricane hit. We saw horrific footage of bodies in the water, people in squalor in the Superdome, stories of a rape and snipers and people got enraged, screaming, "How could this happen in America?" and looked to place blame. Democrats recognized this and immediately jumped on the opportunity to exploit that anger to their advantage. Republican milque-toast comments like the ones quoted above were more in RESPONSE to accusations than offered opinions. Bush has continously said during this time that the priority here is dealing with the tragedy and told congress directly to keep the politics out of it, that they would have plenty of time later for political attacks. Obviously, that hasn't come to pass. I believe the White House is acting the way you state should be done. If you weigh the negativity out there, I think you will find the scales tipped heavily on the left side."

I think it may be important to share how I first made a presence in this particular forum.

As you all are well aware, I was very shy when I first joined this site coming on five years now, in December of 2000. In fact I was so shy I was considering multiple times before to register but didn't have the courage to do so. Finally I did because I saw people who I became accustomed to in the poetry world, from a site called Mutington's Meadow, cross-over there, and so I felt comfort they were there to acquaint me with the community so I finally joined.

I went through several stages of doubt and sometimes a lack of confidence that I was being accepted here, and just as I have grown through adolescence I have grown here. There finally came the time I was motivated to skip from forum to forum...except one...here.

I would peak in this forum time and time again and I was just very sensitive. There was always argument here, and I know that we are all civilized and of wonderful heart but still I couldn't help but feel it echo like a bell tolled against my head and it almost made it sound like bitter argument sometimes. I was already quite opinionated, not so much politically but socially, and wanted to express myself, but I shyed away from The Alley because I felt small I guess.

Finally, the first post I ever made here was less than a year ago, last October, which was about Bush asking for even more money for the war in Iraq, and my obvious outrage of it. It was after Bush declared war on Iraq that became the catalyst for getting out in the public and having my voice heard, but it wasn't until a year and a half later that having my voice heard in The Alley crossed my mind and finally I knew I couldn't bear to remain silent so...I posted here.

The bottom line here is, I was shy at first being here because the atmosphere struck me as dingy, darker, competitive. I admit this is absolutely my least liked forum of all the site, but nonetheless the reason I keep coming back is so I can provide the other side of the story, kind of personify it I suppose, and there's few who regularly take part in the discussions here. If anything, we're more or less more like the poetic McLaughlin Group and less like a poetic United Nations student assembly club.

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Anyway, to touch on your latest point, I do very much disagree with you that the Democrats have "exploited" the anger and that Bush and the administration are merely standing on the sidelines not playing politics here.

There was a point made earlier that I absolutely agree with...Everything a politician does is political.

The Bush administration just aren't practicing what they have preached. Immediately after they claim they don't want to have nothing to do with the blame game, Karl Rove and Dan Bartlett are doing just the opposite in putting all the blame on local and state officials and claiming absolute denial of the federal government having any folly in this. You may have heard "sources close to the White House" just saying the "woefully inadequate response," was the fault of "bureaucratic obstacles from state and local officials." Since Bush's speech at the Rose Garden, Bush has been playing this card too. Last Saturday, Bush himself said, "The magnitude of responding to a crisis over a disaster area that is larger than the size of Great Britain has created tremendous problems that have strained state and local capabilities. The result is that many of our citizens simply are not getting the help they need."

The Bush administration is being incredibly political in trying to keep an independent investigation from forming, while they want a much more unilateralized investigation.

Bush's general disdain of government is political all in itself. The FEMA agency, the whole administration in general, is filled with those who have loyalty to Bush and have little or no background in emergency management. I don't see what qualifications ever got him the job in the first place, perhaps it is because he is related to Allbaugh, who was a buddy of his and the first FEMA director he appointed, and now lobbies for Halliburton as well. Anyway, you can likely expect Brown to receive a Presidential Medal soon regardless.

I really can't help but feel sorry for the GOP right now. The main reason the party has been suffering such a backlash lately is because they support Bush. Bush is the central problem of the party right now, and now as his approval ratings are falling below the 40% mark, I believe we're going to see an increased isolationism of Republicans from Bush and his already soggy political capital will dampen worse. This party just is failing to govern right now because they have backed strongly someone who continues to purposely polarize this nation further and doesn't care whatsoever about the concerns of others outside his inner circles.

As I said before, I find the Democrats are making more of an effort for the positive in giving the victims of Katrina easier access to the basic qualities of life that will begin to help get them back on their feet. Without a doubt they are very much playing hard politics here, but I find them to have more of a positive force right now than this administration, and many Republicans who are following through with Bush again.

I really don't believe it's even been the Democrats who have influenced the shift in public opinion, where so many of them just aren't making any effort to challenge Bush directly. I believe most people are just finding it out for themselves, many's opinions have changed because they are feeling and recognizing the incompetence and greed of this administration in contrast to earlier administrations. Many moderate voices are probably thinking to themselves, "Yes, the Clinton era may have been sour, but this is just ridiculous!". They are figuring out that Bush has no plan for victory in Iraq, they are figuring out that he is no voice of consensus and is nothing but a dividing figure, and they witnessed his lack of leadership during Katrina. If anyone's winning here, it's the people, not the Democrats.

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Thank you for your thoughts, Noah. i would not expect you to feel any other way....
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Here we go, another account of denial and lies:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001   096870

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Q Did they misinform you when you said that no one anticipated the breach of the levees?

THE PRESIDENT: No, what I was referring to is this. When that storm came by, a lot of people said we dodged a bullet. When that storm came through at first, people said, whew. There was a sense of relaxation, and that's what I was referring to. And I, myself, thought we had dodged a bullet. You know why? Because I was listening to people, probably over the airways, say, the bullet has been dodged. And that was what I was referring to.

Of course, there were plans in case the levee had been breached. There was a sense of relaxation in the moment, a critical moment. And thank you for giving me a chance to clarify that."

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So he expects me to believe that when...:

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1) http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml

...the National Hurricane Center's Director called Bush that Sunday about the storm making landfall just east of New Orleans...

2) http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times   -Picayune/archives/2005_08.html#074667

...water was already flowing over the levees before Katrina hit the coast at 6:30 A.M, then failed by 3 A.M on Monday, and finally...

3)

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Link to HUGE graphic

...all the newspaper headlines begged to differ with him (and I do understand that Bush admitted before he doesn't read the papers anyway)?

It comes to no surprise why he would lie about this just as he continues to lie about Iraq. There is always something wrong with the picture when our elected leader has a "sense of relaxation" long after the levees failed, long after the headlines weep with devastation, virtually half a week after the storm settled.

It is just that sort of attitude that has damaged the people's faith in our government here for years to come.

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Well, Noah, you have managed to get the word IRAQ in you comment again. That's seems to be incredibly important for you to do each time.

Yes, I have the impression that you consider all to be Bush's fault. Interestingly enough, that conclusion is losing ground..

Senator Mary Landrieu, D-LA on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace ......

Chris Wallace told his audience that while last week everyone seemed to blame the Bush administration, people's anger had begin to move to state and local officials after more facts about large scale incompetence had been shown.


Senator Landrieu said repeatedly that she would not criticize state and local officials at all because they did their job. She said repeatedly that everything from the first day on was solely the Bush administration's fault. At one point of her long diatribe as sweat could be seen on her forehead, Chris Wallace said, "this works better when I ask questions."

When Wallace asked her about the hundreds of busses in New Orleans that could have been used to transport the poor, she retorted that they could not since they were flooded. Wallace correctly pointed out that the busses did not flood until Tuesday afternoon, almost 60 hours after Mayor Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation.

When asked about the state government, namely Blanco, keeping the Red Cross and Salvation Army out on Tuesday and not ordering the National Guard in until Wednesday, Senator Landrieu blamed Bush. Her idiotic words would be funny if this story was only a work of fiction.

When Wallace confronted Landrieu about hundreds of millions of dollars that should have gone to levee projects but were diverted by her to other pork barrel projects, she said she would "never apologize" for supporting the people of her state.

When Wallace correctly pointed out that the Bush administration had given more to levee projects that the Clinton administration had, Landrieu was out of answers and blamed the recession.

Today I listened to a radio speech she gave stating that the problem was with the city workers, not Mayor Nagin, because it is hard to get city employees to respond on a sunny day, much less one with a hurricance coming, and that the mayor had little help. What a comment!! If a Republican congressman were to say that and a check revealed that the majority of city workers were black (as I feel sure in N.O they were) there would be screams of outrage and racism from every Democrat in the country. So Blanco was ok, Nagin was ok....it's those darn hourly workers that didn't show up which caused all the problems.....now I understand.

Governor Blanco is now being asked why the Loussiana National Guard refused to let the Red Cross deliver supplies to the Superdome, after that bit of information came out on t he Red cross website. Their comment was:

* The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.
    * Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

...Governor Blanco also came out with this brilliant statement..

On the news this morning Gov. Blanco said that although Mayor Nagin had ordered a mandatory evacuation of NO , the state was not ordering it and that it was not to occur. She said that she wants to wait until the environmental study is done to determine if it is unsafe for people to be living in water with feces and decomposing dead bodies.

Y'all better keep blaming Bush for everything because you certainly need a strong diversion.....and quick!

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Mike,

Need a link for that last statement, don't ya know?

What can we say about all this?

Believe in everything a politician says, believe it with a religious fervor, until, of course, you actually expect them to act on it.

Then, it's the other guy's fault.

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Brad, the home page is College Confidential, a college website with endorsements from the NY Times and the Christian Science Monitor.
http://www.collegeconfidential.com/

That quote in question comes on a discussion board, second comment from the bottom..
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?s=ce691aa63508027cb262f5e72d928e81&p=1214963#post1214963

Yes, it is a discussion board and an individual reporting it but, if you read the entries on that page, you will see that the feeling of the board is definitely anti-Bush and anti-FEMA, so it is not a prejudiced site in favor of Bush - reasonable for a college website.
 
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