Hey Ringo & Deer
Good Morning, thanks for taking the time to wipe an ol gal’s forehead when she’s speaking hysterically and emotionally…: grin: as you know, some of us women do.
First let me say, as well as it may seem, like I’m pointing fingers, and I am…what I’m trying to reiterate is…our government officials are not prepared in the event of a terrorist attack/natural disaster…we need leaders who are not afraid to make decisions in certain extreme cases and break the laws if, it comes to life and death. Ringo, we are not talking about a lie here under oath, two completely different entities which can hardly be compared…
The other point I’ve tried to make is, Honestly, the guilty parties in this disaster who drug their feet, know who they are, and I believe they will live with the consequences of their wrong doings the rest of their lives…unfortunately and sadly.
I feel bad for them, I’m not asking for a lynching mob…what I’m trying to point out, and have been trying to suggest, is, that there are no Plans in Place…and we’ve got to, for once in our lives, learn from history.
We are no safer now…then we were before 911…and presently Homeland Security is a joke…(which is another thread/subject) but this disaster proves my point….these men are not experienced enough for these positions.
We need men like Swartzcoff and Powell who are well trained to effectively run Homeland Security or any search & rescue operation, and Ringo, you being in search and rescue, know what I’m trying to describe, not doing a very good job at it, I might add.
Yes, I am advocating the President because he is our land’s leader…like I stated before, sometimes leaders need to make unpopular decisions….I’m still watching both news stations and weather channel for information…candidly, I “didn’t” know that the President phoned the mayor twice, and perhaps in anger, frustration, fear, anxiety and sadness, etc., I’m lashing out unfairly….yes, I can absolutely say I am…but, that doesn’t mean, it releases him (the President) from responsibility. No one moved or deployed until the fourth day, Ringo, and I don’t and can’t buy your explanation for that…when others were already in there. Those people needed help fast, and every second counted.
By the way, I didn’t vote for Bush…I just used “we” so as not to incriminate those that did while trying to make a point, which is…it is human nature to defend those we love or vote for even if they are wrong or have displayed unacceptable behavior. Which I believe is one of American’s weaknesses and fast becoming our culture. And to, perhaps why we are so divided by extreme lefts and rights…we all know, both sides have made bad decisions, yet we defend them regardless?
You’ve also made some very good points about leadership and laws involving search and rescue…but…in a case of life and death…must a line be drawn? And in this case, wasn’t it time to take over, since everyone was dragging their feet, except the local rescue teams, which did find a way in there…along with a couple who went down to help the 2nd day?
I also understand your search and rescue tactics…clearly put and perhaps more wise then my mere idea of what we should have done…perhaps I watch way to many Tom Clancy movies? And please know, I’m not being sarcastic, but honest.
In answer to your question about 9/11…I received a call…a panicked woman’s voice screamed, “Lee J. One of the towers was struck by a plane!”…and yes, I was in shock…asking her, are you sure, what’s happening? Then she said, Oh my God, the other tower was just hit by another plane…Immediately I said, “I gotta go, I’ll call you back…went to my team and said, “The twin towers have both been hit by 2 separate air planes…I think we all better go down to the conf room and get the news, as, this could be a terrorist attack. Ringo, I would bet, I didn’t delay as long as our commander in chief did that day.
I’d like to see this country choose leaders based on a personality that is able to act and work under extreme pressure, as well, as issues. If our commander in chief is weak, “and he is”, so will the people he chooses be. It’s a job description which could mean the difference between life and death. yes? Isn’t it about Preparedness? Why would you put a man in charge who has no experience in emergency response…Gosh Ringo, knowing your credentials, I would feel a lot safer with you in charge, then Brownie, or that Mayor. Yanno?
We need to improve public warning capabilities, train emergency managers and first responders…increase public knowledge, study emergency response options and operations, along with evacuations…teach those leaders to utilize any equipment necessary to get people out or in the effected areas, if it means, hot wiring a vehicle; to better protect the safety of the residents, then so be it. and Ringo, in the case of life or death, that’s what I would do, and deal with a criminal case against me later..…I mean, Ringo, you cannot deny, these guys didn’t know what they were doing? They didn’t. And Bush is the commander in chief, he should have taken over, and intervened, not 4 days later, but immediately when he saw the uncertainties.
While working Construction for 12 years of my life, I didn’t work for Penn Dot directly, I worked for private construction companies, who Penn Dot subcontracted road building/resurfacing to; so we were mobile only during the summer months…unless we had mild winters. I worked in the areas of 940/80 and 3 sections of I-78.
If I have offended anyone, I apologize. Am I being hard on Bush, yes, I am, and there are others in command that need to listen up and take notice. I know a lot of you gals feel, I should let this go, and look at the good things that are being done, and I have, and personally have thanked God for such miracles as I’ve seen.
If I let this go, you know the old saying, Time heals all wounds…and it does, and I so want to help people understand…that one can never be to prepared.
I took this whole thing very personal…but I just couldn’t believe my eyes, as to what was happening in the way of search and rescue, which is a life saving vocation or mission…and the decision to close bases, is a very bad decision to make.
If I left this go, then I’d be turning my back on all those people who lost they’re lives, lost family members…I can’t….and thank God for this Forum!
These plans should be put into practice and practiced over and over again….Matter of fact, one good thing is…I heard on a radio station just yesterday, that New Jersey is going to review their search, rescue and evacuation plans…they should, as every community in this nation should…if only to be prepared to get to our neighbors to help.
Also, when we rebuild these areas, I think we should take another look at forgetting about frame houses and mobile homes in these hurricane areas…there should be a code that homes must be rebuilt with concrete block, and when we replace lines, they should be put under ground…instead, we go back and perform the very same mistakes over and over again, which doesn’t save the tax payers a nickel. I will say this again…I saw a beach front stone home, make it through hurricane Floyd, yes there was water damage, yes, the roof was lost, but, the entire rest of the structure was intact!
Let me say, I certainly know, I have faults and I’m surely do not have all the answers, and I thank you all for your patience and help in educating me in the things I don’t know about…
We’d better make certain those we vote in office are suitable for the position and if they’re not, they’ve got to be left go. Listen, I work with bad leaders and see the ripple effects of such…This is today’s culture unfortunately, I see way to many people in take charge positions that shouldn’t be there, and if your leaders are weak, it will stagnate the entire team.
I’m trying to make this an issue so it doesn’t slide by us again, like 911.
I’d also like to send along a personal apology to all of you who do not understand my purpose…as I do see and am very thankful for all the good that is coming out of this devastating disaster…but we American’s forget until it happens again…and again, and there is no full proof design that will protect every single human being…but, we could certainly save lives…and increase quality of life, by having people rightfully positions they have experience for.
I feel like if I didn’t continue with this, I would be like the person who says, Ohhhh, it’s just to awful, I can’t watch the news…
we’re supposed to learn something from this, mainly to be informed, prepared and ready…and when 911 happened, I sat there and wondered/prayed we’d learn so much, so that the lives lost in that disaster wouldn’t be in vain. We can always do better…but to, must be thankful for the lives we did save.
I will always believe this 3 – 4 day delay was unacceptable…regardless of rules, laws, if I’m stuck in a tree, with 15 feet of raging water under me…I wanna know, Ringo, there is someone experienced as yourself, whose going to be able to think fast, improvise any tools necessary to jump in, focusing on saving a life, or at least do his/her best.
We can do better, is what I’m trying to say, and we’re worth it, are we not? Please do not feel a responsibility to defend something or someone who is inappropriate when it could mean someone’s life. We choose people on popularity, status, issues, but who lack ability and true Grit.
I want John Wayne!!!! or at least Powell or Swartzcoff?