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25 posted 05-25-2005 06:47 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Jim?

"And you seriously expect me to compare an anorexic girl with a sexual predator?"

How about contrast then?

Would you consider a sexual predator to be mentally ill?

just sign me curious...'cause I think a psychologist could compare.

And the anorexia? The goal of beauty is just a mask. Anorexia ia actually a passive aggressive rebellion in order to prove control. An anorexic will literally starve themself to death to prove to the world that he (but usually SHE) own their selves.

So it IS about control.

The sexual predator is also searching for control.

sigh

There is trauma in every stage of life.

Unavoidable actually.

The difference being, do we cope by turning our angry actions outword on others, or inward on ourselves?

Even inward, we hold all who love us hostage.

(came back to edit, because instead of "control" I should have said "power")

mea culpa


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Your response is fairly what I expected, Jim. For what it's worth, my feeling is the same.

Once classified as a disease, all of a sudden it has much in common with other less "sexy" diseases.

I'm only drawing the comparison to look at how we can choose exceptions.

If you want to look at whether or not we should be working to aid disabled people to succeed, then that's a whole other story and something I fully support (both monetarily and verbally).

No, I have not had extensive interaction with disabled people. You may very well be right that my stance might be altered had I.
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I'm not trying to slam anyone here.  For some reason, once something is labeled a disease or disability, suddenly the person with such an affliction is no longer responsible for the actions which led to that condition.  At least that's how I'm seeing it.

Sometime, somewhere along the line, that young lady chose not to eat, for whatever reason.  She.  Chose.  Again I'll reiterate:  her choices, her consequences.

I've had friends with psychological issues, often stemming from chemical imbalances.  Some of them were born with such, or developed such during their early formative years.  Others acquired such through chemical abuse.  Those latter, at least in my view, became o/c, m/d, adult ADD after years of extremely poor choices.  Their choices, their consequences.
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28 posted 05-25-2005 07:36 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

"Their choices, their consequences."

Indeed. I tend to agree, bro.

But not without compassion.


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i agree midi-k, but this isn't about compassion.
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30 posted 05-25-2005 08:11 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

C?

I agree C. Misguided compassion got me into a bad situation, many a time.

(that's right, it was a mercy...um, thang)



For the record, I tend to agree with the school. But still, not without compassion.

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do I think you are against preserving a child's dignity?  Yes.

the fallacious starting point of those who believe she is undeserving of the honor, which is at best naive and at worst bigotted.


Well, what can I say after such glowing compliments? I guess whoever disagrees with you is really out there, right, Jim?

I seriously doubt any of you have a close relationship/relationships with a person or persons with neurological disorders or mental illness

Right again, Jim, unless you wish to count the bi-polar son who has lived with me for the past 18 years, the one i have hospitalized every year when he decides he doesn't need to take that damned medication because he is strong enough to handle it on his own, the one who never leaves the house and will never again work a day in his life. Gee, I don't know. Does he count, Jim?

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And you seriously expect me to compare an anorexic girl with a sexual predator?


No Jim, I am not, but, tried to make a point to what Christopher wrote....rules are rules and must be applied to everyone...

For instance...a woman was killed yesterday, by her boyfriend, who had killed a woman 11 years ago.  She didn't know her boyfriend had been in jail for murder.  Why did they leave him out?

Point being...if they bend rules for this gal, then what rules will be bent next for the next validictorian.  Jim...what it comes down to is this...

We've become a grave nation of making excuses for the choices people make, even when those people break laws....this woman, is violating her body...and she is a brave and courageous gal...I hold her in great admiration...but...I believe we all agree, she does have a problem that needs to be corrected...which only she can do.

In the meantime...perhaps loosing the validictorian seat, would serve as a tool/lesson.  Life isn't always good, and we only have our mistakes to learn from...some don't but a lot of people do...and rules are or should be held up to, if not utter chaos will prevail.  We're not helping people by being so accepting of bad behavior, none the less rewarding it.  However, yes, I agree, she should be helped, what person wouldn't....but I disagree greatly upon the refrence of...this isn't her choice.  It is and it was.  

We cannot keep excusing and deeming bad behavior as acceptable.  What I'm all for, and has somehow been lost in this country, is behavior modification...which is and would be a good practice.  

Medications are way over used in this country which is a quick fix, not a permenant one...to enhance character, we must demand and teach behavior modification....self esteem and retrieve that inner drive to making the right choices for self, that it's ok to be who you are.

And yes indeed, way to much emphasis is based on trends of clothing, spas, cosmetics, jewelry, and bodies, corrective surgery....but if you don't feel good inside...if you aren't healthy mentally, then no matter what you do to the outside you will never like the company you keep in yourself.

Its about credible decisions for self Jim...Behavior modification in this country is in fact what you said, being pounded with ads of beauty.  

I heard the other day, 6 and 7 year olds are asking their parents...."Am I to Fat?"  Cloths do not make the person, if you haven't got it inside, you'll never have a thing...and that's what we've got to teach our kids, from little on up...sucess is not measured in the material...and never will be.  

Adding, when your government is corrupt, so to, will your people be, and we are, we have become such greedy nation, deeming criminal behavior as acceptable.

I've worked with severly handicapped children and mentally retarded children but never with people who have mental disorders.  Rehabilitation has been proven to be a very good tool...and I'm all for it...but Jim, there is this inner substance, that everyone has, that I believe can overcome with the right guidence and counseling...not excuses, but rewarding good behavior...and it won't always work...

Jim, I've seen parents stagnate their mentally retarded children, when in fact, with time and patience, they can learn to do more then we give them credit for...and it's the same with this gal...she can learn this is unacceptable behavior which is not only dangerously hurting herself, but all those who love her...and that's another subject we've not touched on...when will we start teaching our children, and adults, and some very upidy politicians, that the choices and decisions they make can either gravely effect all those around them, or compliment them to a greater degree?

Actually, and to be respectfully honest, I believe by liberal concept we've stagnated our growth severely in this area..I believe we could be so much further ahead intellectually, scientifically, medically and physically, not to mention, be more at peace with ourselves, in turn, being at peace with each other, if we'd not gone off course with these confounded excuses for unacceptable behavior.  Excuses are more harmful and disabling to self growth, and to society.    

And Jim...please, I'm not a Nazi, nor have I or would I, ever think like one.  This is a free country, freedom of speech and opinion...if we can't allow, and listen, how then, will we ever learn?  

Again, you've brought to the table some very good points for discussion...and consideration....I'm very sorry you feel the way you do about our opinions...and I for one, would love to sit down and hear more of what you have to say, but the, I get a turn as well, and perhaps that way, we can all learn from each other...and grow, if we turn our minds off to one another, we'll never progress. and I sincerely mean it when I say this, with all due respect...listening to each other is the key.  Its when and if we reach a time in our lives, that we become closed off to the ideas of others that we become stagnated, to ourselves, to others around us, and to society.

Noah, thanks so much for your warmth and concern on this subject, for opening up this topic to the forum...you, as always, have some very realistic and valuable considerations to offer.  I've grown so very fond of your great care for this country and it's people.  
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"I seriously doubt any of you have a close relationship/relationships with a person or persons with neurological disorders or mental illness"

You might want to rethink that one. I would be suprised as to the opposite, that one would not have a close relationship/relationships with someone suffering from a mental illness.

Not that it makes a great deal of difference, but I served on the board of our local Mental Health Association for some fifteen years as well as having personal and some twenty-five some years of professional dealings with mental ilness. Statistically, I doubt few people do not experience personally
or have contact with someone suffering from some form of mental illness.

The operative word in the discussion is "illness."  Rather than comparing to sexual predators, perhaps the discussion ought to based upon whether the same standards would be applied to one suffering a "physical illness" and not a "mental illness."

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Balladeer:

You have a son with bi-polar disorder ... so why is it so difficult for you to believe that one with another form of mental illness is in any more control of their behavior than your son?  Just as the depression and manic behavior of bi-polar disorder is not a choice, neither are the eating patterns of those with eating disorders - it is a mental illness (according to the NIMH):

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/eatingdisorders.cfm

As many of you know, I have a son severely affected by autism.  I recognized early on that he needed specialized attention - AND CONSIDERATION - in accommodating his needs and when the public system failed him, I joined a group of like-minded parents to found a world-class autism program in Central Pennsylvania.  But I didn't decide what that program would look like in a vacuum - I did the best I could to get inside his mind ... his world ... so I could best understand what services and accommodations were necessary to help him get better.

What I am reading in this thread is a group of people who refuse to give sufficient consideration to this girl's world and refuse to ask the question, "Are the general rules of the school code fair when applied to someone who is not entirely in control of their behavior?"  By focusing myopically on choices and consequences, you are both missing important issues and forgeting that consequences must be suitably tailored to address the behavior in order to have any meritorious effect.  When behaviors are severe and self destructive, then it is our moral obligation to rally around the person with the goal of getting through it.

The sexual predator analogy is irrelavent - sex crimes harm those besides the predator, while anorexia involves hurting one's self.  After the sexual predator is rehabilitated, his victims remain.  With anorexia, there are no other victims.  At some level, however, I would caution all of you against dehumanizing the criminal.  Not to excuse their actions, but to accept that human beings are fallable and that criminals are to be both punished and pitied.

Christopher, LeeJ, and the rest:

I concede that I may have written too harshly, but the bottom line from my perspective is that the opinions I've read in this thread have been exceedingly harsh and unsympathetic to this girl's situation.  Such views mis-portray her struggle as a poor lifestyle choice and, in doing so, reduce her value as a human being.  Her handling of being passed over for valedictorian displays remarkable maturity, and serves (to me) as another reason why she's deserving of the honor.  But the fact remains that she is being passed over for valedictorian because the time she needed to recover from a mental illness required her missing more than the allowed number of school days.  That's wrong.

Jim
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Alicat:

quote:
Their choices, their consequences.


So when my son hits his teacher because that is the way he "chose" to communicate his frustration/anger/pain/disappointment, the consequence should be the same for him as it would be a child without a neurological disorder?  That seems to be what you're saying.

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Jim Hi and good morning...

I know some gals who might be borderline anorexic...they leave at lunch so they don't eat...go shopping instead...and I know what I had to go through to stay thin...

Jim, it was by choice, then, to take that step to not eat, or for someone to stick their fingers down their throat.   No one took their hand and did it for them...and by the way, I cannot believe it is a mental illness, well, let me rephrase that, I don't believe it starts as a mental illness but by choice, peer pressure,....and maybe I'm wrong, but I presently feel it's a lack of belief in themselves, very very obsessed to obtain the almost impossible to the point of skeletal bodies, very very low self esteem...  

And yes they do hurt others when they chose to do this, if my daughter or son were anorexic, it would surely hurt and be upsetting.  So, yes, they absolutely do hurt others...which is again my point of stressing over and over again....that your words, decissions and actions can surely hurt someone to the point of turning their lives around negatively.

I don't believe we can compare this to someone who is bi-polar.  

And I do possess great empathy for these people...but will admit, when you cross a line and physically harm others or kill them, then any empathy I feel starts to fade and my concern turns toward the victim.  Sorry, but that's where I believe our thoughts should be, 1st and foremost.  

I'm sorry but, for many years now, I've seen this country turn for the worst.  Jim, rules may not always seem fair, but, they were put there for a reason, and I apologize and feel badly for this gal, but under the circumstances, I'd have to hold ground and say, someone else should receive this title.  Again, perhaps a grave lesson for this gal to learn, but in the end, it might be the curve ball that turns this whole gals life around for the good, so that she realizes the necessity to gain help and defeat this problem, with all the might that she has, and the help of loved ones and professionals to get her through this.  Adding, I pray she does, I really do.

But these kids need a solid strong role model...and presently this gal is not strong nor in any condition to serve as a leader for her fellow students.


  
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37 posted 05-26-2005 10:48 AM       View Profile for jbouder   Email jbouder   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jbouder

LeeJ:

Did you read the NIMH publication on the link?  Are you readily dismissing:

quote:
Several family and twin studies are suggestive of a high heritability of anorexia and bulimia, (11,12) and researchers are searching for genes that confer susceptibility to these disorders (13). Scientists suspect that multiple genes may interact with environmental and other factors to increase the risk of developing these illnesses. Identification of susceptibility genes will permit the development of improved treatments for eating disorders.

11 Strober M, Freeman R, Lampert C, Diamond J, Kaye W. Controlled family study of anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa: evidence of shared liability and transmission of partial syndromes. American Journal of Psychiatry, 2000; 157(3): 393-401.

12 Walters EE, Kendler KS. Anorexia nervosa and anorexic-like syndromes in a population-based female twin sample. American Journal of Psychiatry, 1995; 152(1): 64-71.

13 Kaye WH, Lilenfeld LR, Berrettini WH, Strober M, Devlin B, Klump KL, Goldman D, Bulik CM, Halmi KA, Fichter MM, Kaplan A, Woodside DB, Treasure J, Plotnicov KH, Pollice C, Rao R, McConaha CW. A search for susceptibility loci for anorexia nervosa: methods and sample description. Biological Psychiatry, 2000; 47(9): 794-803.


Perhaps you have information we don't have?  I'm willing to adjust my opinion given sufficient evidence, but platitudes on "choice" and "consequences" are simply not convincing.

Jim

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Jim, I do have great respect for you and know you have enormous love for your son.  You've gone through hell and high water to provide the best you could, and then some.  So I know this might well rankle you: yes.  If your son was to physically assault another, say a teacher, then the consequences should be the same ones anybody else would have.  Assault is assault.

Personally, obviously, I don't view consequences for actions as myopic.  I'll admit I'm a hardass.  I do feel it's a grave disservice to the person committing the action to label it something other than what it is.  What you basically say to that person is 'Whatever you did, it's not your fault.'

This is not only how I was raised.  It's also how I CHOSE to be.  My choices, my consequences.
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Jim

Several family and twin studies are suggestive of a high heritability of anorexia and bulimia, (11,12) and researchers are searching for genes that confer susceptibility to these disorders (13). Scientists suspect that multiple genes may interact with environmental and other factors to increase the risk of developing these illnesses. Identification of susceptibility genes will permit the development of improved treatments for eating disorders.

In this I believe the key words are "suggestive" and Scientists are "searching"
11 Strober M, Freeman R, Lampert C, Diamond J, Kaye W. Controlled family study of anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa: evidence of shared liability and transmission of partial syndromes. American Journal of Psychiatry, 2000; 157(3): 393-401.

In this, a controlled family study...key word being "study"
12 Walters EE, Kendler KS. Anorexia nervosa and anorexic-like syndromes in a population-based female twin sample. American Journal of Psychiatry, 1995; 152(1): 64-71.

this one, is ify...what does it mean, that due to this fine, anorexic like syndromes are in every female gene?
13 Kaye WH, Lilenfeld LR, Berrettini WH, Strober M, Devlin B, Klump KL, Goldman D, Bulik CM, Halmi KA, Fichter MM, Kaplan A, Woodside DB, Treasure J, Plotnicov KH, Pollice C, Rao R, McConaha CW. A search for susceptibility loci for anorexia nervosa: methods and sample description. Biological Psychiatry, 2000; 47(9): 794-803.

and this is a search for susceptibility loci for anorexia....again the word search...doesn't mean it's been found, by extensive research and found to be in the genes...these are most certainly clinical studies, but as of yet, have not been proven....adding

A sound body depends on the continuous interplay of thousands of proteins, acting together in just the right amounts and in just the right places - and each properly functioning protein is the product of an intact gene. Genes can be altered (mutated) in many ways. The most common gene mistake involves a single changed base in the DNA - a misspelling. Other alterations include the loss or gain of a base. Sometimes long segments of DNA are multiplied or disappear.
Some mutations are silent; they affect neither the structure of the encoded protein nor its function. Other mutations result in an altered protein. In some instances, the protein is normal enough to function, but not well; this is the case of the flawed hemoglobinthe oxygen-carrying protein in the bloodthat causes sickle-cell anemia. In other instances, the protein can be totally disabled. The outcome of a particular mutation depends not only on how it alters a protein's function but also on how vital that particular protein is to survival.

But, Jim in the same, post hypnotic suggestion along with great desire can also alter a humans behavior patterns...along with choice, temptations, etc., strength of the individual, how strong are the desires to be accepted by peers...and what is the self esteem level of the individual, the obsession level, the concern for hurting oneself, and others?  

As well as genes, all these other factors also play a great role.  

Yes, there are studies being performed but as of yet, evidence has yet to be proven by further years of studies ahead...and at this point, I'm not saying genes might not have an effect...but, a part of a whole.

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So Alicat would have autistic kids handcuffed and escorted out of schools and LeeJ has a problem with the use of "suggested" and "searching" and "study" in peer reviewed psychology journals.

First, Cat, your black and white view of the world presents serious problems and if everyone subscribed to such standards, we'd still be farming the disabled and mentally ill in institutions and under deplorable conditions.  Get them out of our sight!  They are different!  They don't behave like the rest of us!  Pen the Changelings away - for all know that defective children are merely bodies without souls!  Second, your standard ignores antecedants that trigger such behaviors and, in doing so, absolves the educator of all wrongdoing.  What if the child was routinely strapped to a chair?  What if the child was hypersensity to sound and the fire alarm went off?  When you experience great frustration, you can vent it by talking with someone or posting a message in the Alley.  When my son experiences great frustration, he hits others or slams his head on the floor or against the car window.  Do you punish him for expressing his frustration in the best way he can or do you look to give him positive ways to deal with anxiety and frustration?  I like my way better.

And LeeJ, if you are looking for "proven" in psychological matters, then you must, to maintain consistency, apply the same standard to your own opinion.  Modernly, most recognize psychology is a descriptive science (rather than a prescriptive one) - findings are presented in terms of probability.  You'll never find the equivalent of E-MC2 in psychology, but NIMH still presents more evidence than you have.

Now if either of you (or anyone here) wants to read the journal articles, I can pull them for you.  Just email me and I'll send them.  Perhaps, then, this discussion could be better informed.

Jim

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I don't think her personal choices about diet or weight is something that the school has the right to deal out consequences for.
The school however, does have the right  to have symphathy for her health condition and give special room for  lifeneedful treatments.  It's not an issue of academics at that, its an issue of needing life.  If they need special treatments, they need special room in the academic-system.   It doesn't matter what her choices were before.  Her need to leave was not a choice.  It was the same as needing blood.  You don't have a choice.  Either you receive blood or you die.  
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Jim, you have no more right to tell me how i should feel because of Dwight than I have telling you how you should feel about your son.  I've looked over the comments of myself, Chris and anyone else that has had a viewpoint different from yours and I find none that are harsh, unsympathetic or bigoted. I must assume that ANY comments that do not agree with your way of thinking appear that way to you and any opinions that are contrary to yours are deserving receipients of name-calling on your part and that's a shame.

Personally, I feel that the school should be applauded for their action. They were able to maintain the integrity of the rules and, by coming up the the honorary valedictorian award (which I'm sure was a first for them) they found a way to give credit and acknowledgement to her for her achievements. I don't see a downside there.

She has handled the entire situation with a lot more class and dignity than I see exhibited here. There's something to be learned from her, I think.
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I think we're mixing issues here.

I have no problem with adjusting the rules as a whole to "accomodate" someone with mental illnesses(note that it's not an exception, but rather a re-definition). I don't think it'll work too well in many situations, though I imagine that it might in some of the more, what'd you say, Jim, "warm fuzzy political correct" situations.

Our courts already do it - we've recognized that someone who is not capable of understanding right from wrong should be treated as unable to be tried the same as someone who does.

And that is where my issue on this whole thread lies. It's not a lack of compassion for this young lady - I'm darn impressed that she took her treatement into her own hands and stepped up to the proverbial plate to hit a home run and create an admirable life for herself - this is compunded by her statement that she feels good and right about herself and doesn't 'need' an award to show she's a valuable person.

The issue is with one party saying they should be given special consideration for their case; not measured against the same ruler as everyone else, but should be given the same awards as someone measured on a different, likely stricter ruler.

You can't claim to deserve equal rewards, when you're not willing or able to accept equal requirements.

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Balladeer:

A position that regards anorexia as a choice that is maintained in the face of evidence that suggests otherwise is by definition bigotry.  If it offends you that I label a position you or Christopher or LeeJ hold as bigotry, I say "good."

And I do have a right to tell you how you should feel.  I simply lack the right to make you act on what I tell you.  If I thought you were handling your son wrongly, I'd tell you - or more probably, offer suggestions that may help your son cope with his disorder in a more healthy manner.  On the same token, if I thought you were doing something right, I'd tell you that too.  To remain silent in such a situation, in my eyes, would be the wrong thing to do.

I also find the notion that the school should be applauded for its willingness to create a new rule while remaining unwilling to make accommodations on an inconsequential old rule highly questionable.  It was a political move by the school, without substantive meaning.  In essense, you are applauding the school for doing nothing.

Saying my comments lack class is a fair comment.  It got your attention - and that was the design of my invective rhetoric.  I also think there is at least some truth to my choice of words.

Christopher:

Actually, there are clear guidelines provided by Federal law as enacted by individual states that present clearly what specially designed instruction to eligible students should look like.  In this student's case, it could be considered "homebound" or "center-based" instruction outside of the regular education classroom.  That is entirely within the bounds of the law and, in my estimation, trumps individual school codes and policies.  That's why I believe the school's actions might not only be wrong, but also in violation of Federal law.  And I'm sure you, who would argue for strict adherence to the letter of the law, would consider such a legal option to be considered something besides an "exception."

And I think you both can learn something from Ess's example.

Jim
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if the problem is with the rule, then fine.
The rule should be changed so enrollment is not a criteria.
if the rule is applied equally to all, irrespective the nature of their illness or failure to enroll properly, then why should she be be given preferential treatment?
there is a difference between accomodation and making exceptions to rules.
they did make accomodations to her, some pretty significant ones.
I still don't see being valedictorian as that big of deal and would go along with the trend to do away with it all together as schools are now beginning to do.


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Tim:

Why?  Try the Rehabilitation Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act, and the Individuals with Disabilities Education Improvement Act.  The former two have to do with reasonable accommodations for eligible people with disabilities (including emotional disturbances and mental illness) and the latter provides for adaptations to the curriculum necessary for a person with a disability to access the general education curriculum to the maximum extent appropriate to the needs of the student.

I'd bet money that this student was eligible to specially designed, off-sight instruction while she was in therapy and it is the school's affirmative responsibility to identify explicit needs and accommodate them.

That's the law.

Mysteria:

Thanks for sharing your story.  I'm not sure how such issues are dealt with in Canada's public school system, but the United States has numerous protections in place for students like the subject of this thread.

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What should I learn Jim?
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Reading Ess' comments again, I don't see anything I would disagree with. I won't, for even a moment, say that this young lady should have stayed to the detriment of her health. Health is by far more important than an award of any type.

I just don't understand how you can suggest that the rewards be the same if there is preferential treatment.

Should I, then, be penalized for not being disabled? What if I, with no discernable disabilities, met 99% of the criteria, but not that last 1%, should I then still receive the award? Should someone else who is disabled receive it over me because they met 98.9% of the criteria, but had they not sought treatment, would have met 99.5%?

This isn't an isolated incident either and isn't only disabilities/diseases. You can find the same in dealing with race and religion and sex, as well as other things. The compensation for bias, disability and past predjudice often swings past the status of equality and into the status of over-equality.


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And I do have a right to tell you how you should feel.

...and who gave you that right, Jim? God call you and tell you that you were the chosen one to decide how everyone should feel? I sympathize with you and your son's situation but you don't have a corner on the hard luck department and everyone has the right to have their own thoughts. You may agree or disagree but, until the day comes that I open the Bible and see your picture in it, I choose not to give you that right.

...and, yes, I have learned something here.
 
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