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175 posted 03-30-2005 10:59 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I guess Dr. Baden may have misstated Florida law regarding release of the autopsy results.

I just read that it is required to be made public.

Who knows?

Maybe they will allow Judge Greer to make that determination.
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176 posted 03-31-2005 12:19 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Denise, your remark about Jeb Bush was wrong.  Yes, he did send state troopers prior to Judge Greer's decision regarding the State caring for Terri.  They were to be onhand if Judge Greer ruled in Bush's favor, to provide security for removing Terri from that hospice should Michael or his legal team try to fight the move.  Once the decision came down against Bush, the troopers were removed from that location.  They were not heading there to take Terri by force.  They were heading there on the off chance that Judge Greer might change his mind.

And Governor Bush could not break the law.  As Chief Executive for the State of Florida, he must hold himself to a higher standard regarding the law, just as Mods and Admins here must hold themselves to a stricter enforcement of the house rules.
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177 posted 03-31-2005 09:37 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Well, the final atrocity has come to pass. The family has been escorted from Terry's room and told they are now banned from seeing their daughter in her final hours.

There must be some law, somewhere, that prohibits parents from seeing their children as they are about to die at the hands of the State, but I can't find one. Even executions are open.....which is exactly what this is.

The husband wins another one....
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178 posted 03-31-2005 10:13 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

And he won yet another.  Terri died.  After 15 years of denied healthcare, physical therapy and basic medical needs, he's finally free of her, having spent almost all of her settlement money earmarked for therapy on legal bills, while he still has his allotment awarded in addition to her settlement.  Greer, Felos and Michael have a lot to answer for, in this life or the next.
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179 posted 03-31-2005 11:10 AM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

AMEN Alicat, AMEN!!!  Hard times presently, very sad times.....
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180 posted 03-31-2005 11:34 AM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

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Greer, Felos and Michael have a lot to answer for, in this life or the next.

I am thankful I am not in their shoes.
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181 posted 03-31-2005 12:06 PM       View Profile for sweetcollege_girl   Email sweetcollege_girl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for sweetcollege_girl

I agree totally with you Alicat..I am praying for Terri's family..they weren't able to be in there when their daughter died..that is very cruel...my heart aches for them...

and i am praying for Michael Shiavo too..he certainly needs it...

~~SCG~~

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182 posted 03-31-2005 12:18 PM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

Now that he's rid of Terri, maybe in a few years he'll find a way to knock off the woman he's been living with...

RIP Terri.. we know you were murdered.

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183 posted 03-31-2005 12:36 PM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

I tell you true, cannot even begin to imagine what her parents went thru and have yet to go thru????
There is nothing to compare to having children...and for this man, to take this, their child from them like this....well, simply said....if she'd have been my child, God help me, and God help Michael!!!!!!!

I don't like that man very much, forgive me.
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184 posted 03-31-2005 01:18 PM       View Profile for Cloud 9   Email Cloud 9   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cloud 9

May she rest peacefully now. My prayers go out to her and her family.
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185 posted 03-31-2005 02:58 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel



Love,
Noah Eaton

"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

Mother Teresa

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186 posted 03-31-2005 03:51 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I find it very interesting that it was reported by AP this morning that the Pope's living will dictates his wishes never to be taken off life support, even to the point of going into a coma or vegetative state. The Vatican also stated that no new Pope will be selected for as long as the current one breathes. Therefore, the Pope is willing to take the chance of having the Catholic church go basically leaderless rather than go off life support, regardless of his condition. Seems a little ironic to me in some way.

Doesn't sound like the Pope is very eager to meet the Big Guy ....
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187 posted 03-31-2005 04:17 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

I'd rather not engage in a debate right now about the Pope and his nasal feeding tube, etc., but I did hear about that story yesterday.

I really don't know what to think of it. I don't think it's that big of a deal, really. Most Popes in our history didn't step down or resign before passing away. Most resumed their position and a new Pope was assigned following each Pope's passing.

What is he, 83 years old now I believe? So indeed he can't collect or orientate his thoughts as well as he continues to age, and he is struggling to even speak from his hospital window (he was only there four minutes last time, making the gesture of the Cross to visitors). I myself understand that argument of age and authority, but all the same, it's nothing new, it's less common historically for Popes to end their terms personally.

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I think that is not the case.  I think the pope is stating his opinion siliently about terri.  I think this is his way of telling  the family and all the world that it was wrong and he is with them.

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189 posted 03-31-2005 08:20 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I am often wrong about things, Ali, more times than I would like to admit.

His sending the state troopers in on the off chance that Greer would give his permission sounds more accurate, given Jeb's seeming understanding that he couldn't act contrary to a court's order.

I still don't agree with his understanding of the limitations on his authority in light of an innocent life being on the line, but I guess I can't judge his conscience based on my conscience in a matter like this.

I was dismayed for them, but far from shocked, since it was exactly what I expected he would do in a final act of cruelty, when I heard Bobby Schindler say this morning that the family was barred from Terri's room in what turned out to be her final moments. Other than fighting for all these years to end her life, I think this is the hallmark of this man's cruelty.

I was touched, and personally admonished, seeing the family tonight praying "Father forgive them, they know not what they do."

I had a strange sense of release on hearing of her passing, knowing that she was no longer suffering the cruel 'death process' forced upon her, and no longer under the control of Schiavo. She is now released from him and at peace.

Some good has already begun to be evidenced due to Terri's plight. A couple of States are already looking at the laws on their books concerning guardianship issues and tightening the guidelines on the qualifications for obtaining and maintaining a guardianship to prevent anyone else from ever slipping through the legal cracks as Terri did.

I was also heartened through all this by the outpouring of love and concern for Terri and her family, and the level of outrage that was expressed at something so obviously unjust and such an assault on the sensibilities of many decent people. Even though our courts and leaders failed Terri and her family, and us, we're still a country of some pretty amazing people who actually give a damn about the suffering of others.

Rest in peace, Terri. Because of your suffering, much good will come to others. It wasn't in vain.

Would someone with the capability put up a candle in Terri's memory?

Thanks,

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190 posted 03-31-2005 09:02 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

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Ultimately, Terri's case is understandable, though painfully so. If you take away the "evil" allegations that have been leveled against everyone, it's easy to see what you're left with.

You're left with a woman who suffered a heart attack 15 years ago, who essentially died but was resuscitated, though not entirely. Her brain had suffered enormous damage from the heart attack. As time passed, her brain further deteriorated -- to the point where much if not most of her cerebral cortex (the portion of the brain that controls conscious thought, among other things) was literally gone, replaced by spinal fluid. Doctors hired by Terri's husband say the deterioration of Terri's brain left her without thoughts or feelings, that the damage is irreversible, and that Terri's life-like appearance is merely the result of brain stem activity -- basically involuntary reflexes we all have. An independent doctor hired by the court reached the same conclusions. Doctors hired by Terri's parents did not dispute the physical damage done to Terri, but they claim there are new therapies that could improve her condition. In two separate trials, the trial court found such claims of potential improvement to be without merit. Terri's body continues to function without her cerebral cortex. She is sustained by a feeding tube surgically inserted into her stomach. She cannot eat through her mouth without a strong likelihood of choking to death.

You're left with a husband who lived with his in-laws following Terri's heart attack, who apparently provided care and therapy for years but who later came to believe Terri would never recover. He believes she would not have wanted to be kept alive in this brain-degenerated condition by a surgically implanted tube. He is apparently willing to continue his fight to achieve what he believes Terri would want despite ridicule, hatred, expense, and threats.

You're left with parents who were once allied with Terri's husband in an effort to care for Terri and restore her but, unlike Terri's husband, they never lost hope. They believe Terri reacts to them and has conscious thoughts. They believe Terri would not want, and does not want, her feeding tube removed, and that some cognitive function could be restored through new therapies. Terri's parents are willing to continue their fight to achieve what they believe Terri would want despite ridicule, hatred, expense, and threats.

You're left with judges who have been placed in the utterly thankless position of applying Florida law to this impassioned situation.


I think a candle would be a good thing.
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191 posted 03-31-2005 09:37 PM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

Denise~
You know I love you for your compassionate heart ... and the fact that you were and will continue to be a ~Warrior~ for others, so that they never have to suffer what Terri had to go through ...~

My heart grieves for the loss of a beautiful woman ... Terri Schiavo ... and as you already know ... I left a beautiful memento in your name and mine at her Hospice Care Facility yesterday~

Going there was the hardest and yet the easiest thing I have been called upon to do~
The news this morning rocked me to the core ...~

For a short time I will try to maintain a quiet vigil, in Terri's honor ... she deserves that from me ...~

I will return when I can~

Thank you for being my friend ... and Terri's friend~
~*Marge*~

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192 posted 03-31-2005 09:42 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

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Statement of the Schindler Family

Pinellas Park, FL – As you are aware, Terri is now with God and she has been released from all earthly burdens. After these recent years of neglect at the hands of those who were supposed to protect and care for her, she is finally at peace with God for eternity. We are speaking on behalf of our entire family this evening as we share some thoughts and messages to the world regarding our sister and the courageous battle that was waged to save her life from starvation and dehydration.

We have a message for the volunteers that have helped our family:

Thank you for all that you’ve done for our family. Thank you to the hundreds of doctors who volunteered to help Terri. Thank you to the fifty doctors who provided statements under oath to help Terri. Thank you to the lawyers who stood for Terri’s life in the courtrooms of our nation. From running our family’s website, to driving us around, to making meals, to serving in so many ways—thank you to all of the volunteers who have been so kind to our family through all of this.

We have a message for the supporters and people praying worldwide:

Please continue to pray that God gives grace to our family as we go through this very difficult time. We know that many of you never had the privilege to personally know our wonderful sister, Terri, but we assure you that you can be proud of this remarkable woman who has captured the attention of the world. Following the example of the Lord Jesus, our family abhors any violence or any threats of violence. Threatening words dishonor our faith, our family, and our sister, Terri. We would ask that all those who support our family be completely kind in their words and deeds toward others.

We have a message to the media:

We appreciate your taking Terri’s case to the nation. Please afford our family privacy to grieve at this time.The patience and graciousness of the on-site media here at hospice has been deeply appreciated by our family.

We have a message to the many government officials who tried to help Terri:

Thank you for all that you’ve done. Our family will be forever grateful to all of the outstanding public servants who have tried to save Terri.

We have a message to all of the religious leaders who tried to help Terri:

Thank you to all people of faith who demonstrated love for Terri and strength of conviction to defend the sacredness of all human life as a precious gift from God.
Our family is highly honored that the Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, would speak out so boldly on behalf of our sister, Terri.

We have a message of forgiveness:

Throughout this ordeal, we are reminded of the words of Jesus on the cross: “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” Our family seeks forgiveness for anything that we have done in standing for Terri’s life that has not demonstrated the love and compassion required of us by our faith.

We have a message to parents worldwide:

Our family would encourage parents to spend time with their children and to cherish each and every moment of each and every day with them as a precious gift from God.

We have a message to Terri from her family:

As a member of our family unable to speak for yourself, you spoke loudly. As a member of our family unable to stand under your own power, you stood with a grace and a dignity that made your family proud. Terri, we love you dearly, but we know that God loves you more than we do. We must accept your untimely death as God’s will.

Terri, your life and legacy will continue to live on, as the nation is now awakened to the plight of thousands of voiceless people with disabilities that were previously unnoticed. Your family intends to stand up for the other “Terri’s” around this nation and we will do all that we can to change the law so others won’t face the same fate that has befallen you.

We have a final thought to share:

Our family had hoped this day would never come, but as it has now arrived, we ask ourselves a question in these incredibly sad circumstances: What would the Lord Jesus ask us to do in a moment like this? In John’s Gospel, Jesus responded to the questions of the rabbis, who asked why a man had been born blind. He said: “it is so that the works of God might be made manifest through him.”

God’s plan for Terri is unfolding before our eyes. Our prayer at this time is that our Nation will remember the plight of persons with disabilities and commit within our hearts to defend their lives and their dignity for many generations to come.

http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/2005/03/statement_of_th_1.php#more

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193 posted 03-31-2005 10:29 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Thank you, Marge. I wish I could have been there too. My heart was with you.

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Brad, that story is filled with many inaccuracies, one of the problems that the family has had to fight against while they fought to save their daughter. Those fighting to end her life were also waging a battle in the press 'blaming' Terri for her being in her condition in the first place. Felos, et al, spent thousands of dollars from her trust account to 'handle' the media.

There is no evidence that Terri ever had any eating disorder. Her family never saw any evidence, her closest friends never saw any evidence, her physicians never saw any evidence, for which they were sued in a malpractice suit that charged that since she had irregular menstrual cycles (which can have a multitude of causes, usually some type of hormonal imbalance or possibly even STRESS...maybe it was stressful living with Michael? ), her doctors should have considered that she may have had an eating disorder (which may or may not disrupt the cycle, but usually does in severe cases) even though nothing else about her physical condition indicated that possibility. The doctors later had the malpractice decision reversed and their names exonerated and their medical licenses restored.

The results of the bloodwork that was done in the E.R. showed no enzymes consistent with the diagonosis of a heart attack.

It also noted a particulary rigid neck, consistent with strangulation.

The condition of her cerebral cortex is unknown. The requisite tests to determine that were forbidden to be done. The degree of brain atrophy that was shown on the cat scan is consistent with that of some older people in their 70's or 80's WITHOUT any brain damage.

Greta had a defense attorney answering medical questions last night, unreal. And some of the doctors that I have heard on television would still have said that she was a 'vegetable' with only reflexive responses if she would have gotten out of her bed, walked out to the cameras, grabbed the microphone and said: "I want to live."  And Judge Greer would have ORDERED her back to bed and told her to DIE.

Terri's brother, Bobby, suggested that people check out the family's website to check out the facts and not to buy into the biased media spin.
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Now that it is over, we should just be thankful that Terri has no more suffering, and that she is in a much better place than we are.

Forget the media, forget michael, forget the doctors, forget the judge. They will all have their days..and I for one, know I will be up there to see it. God is a good God. He knows their fates, and we should trust in him to take care of the situation.

I am in no way trying to step on other's shoes, this is just my opinion. Don't hate me

Praying for Terri's family,

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I apologize on repeating, if I am, as I have not been able to read all of your replies,

personally I greive for her parents, now, to find out, even when her husband has won, he still persists on hate, and refuses to bury Terry, where her parents could visit her in Florida, but is shipping her back here to PA...what a hate driven man, foolish, selfish and unthinking...
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That's not right..it seems to me that he really didn't want anything to do with her...why not just leave her where she's loved?

~~SCG~~

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that's just it, he is a hateful person, and even in death does not want her to be loved. He does not want her parents to be able to see her easily. He is doing everything he can to make things be the opposite of what they want. No matter what...he is evil, vile and sad....
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Did she even get last rights?

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