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75 posted 03-21-2005 10:51 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43393

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my prayers are constant....
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They were denied again.. so Terry will starve to death, thanks to the Judicial system of the United States.

We should all be ashamed of ourselves.

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78 posted 03-22-2005 05:16 PM       View Profile for SEA   Email SEA   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SEA

I don't think I have anything to be ashamed of....

now that "husband" and judge sure as heck do...
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We as a nation, I mean....
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80 posted 03-22-2005 08:31 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

As Terri said to a friend while visiting her grandmother in a nursing home..."Where there is life there is hope."

It's not over yet.

Whittemore did not give the family the de novo hearing that they had requested. He simply, as did all the other judges that they have come before in the past, basically said they had no case or standing before the law and in his opinion they had no hope of prevailing due to that fact. He did not review the FACTS of the case. He did not consider the allegations of abuse and neglect by her guardian, nor the probable cause evidence of spousal abuse, nor the conflict of interest of the guardian which makes suspect his assertions on Terri's behalf.

Hopefully justice will prevail and we will not have to witness the legalized murder of one of the weakest members of our society because she is viewed as an inconvenient non-productive member of society.

This is more than a feeding tube being pulled. The judge also ordered that she couldn't be fed and hydrated orally.

She is not being "allowed to die". Let's call it was it is. She is being starved and dehydrated to death by a court order. No disease or illness will cause her demise. Lack of what we all need to survive, food and water, will do the job, if her feeding tube is not reinserted, or if it is not ordered that she be fed and hydrated orally. And that is murder.

And the question is not whether we think Terri would rather live or die (and all anyone can do is speculate since we only have the word of her conflicted husband as to her wishes) in her condition. The question is not whether or not we think we would want to live or die in a similar debilitated condition. The question is whether or not, in the absence of a written advance directive, does a court have the right to order someone's death due to a physical disability. Is this the precedent that we want to have set, the kind of power that we want to yield to the judiciary?

I would urge everyone to email Jeb Bush and President Bush and urge them to use their executive powers to place Terri into protective custody pending the outcome of the appeal process and pending the Justice Department investigation and the DCF investigation into the circumstances surrounding the myriad of issues in this matter.

jeb.bush@myflorida.com

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And let's continue to pray for Terri and for her family.

Thanks so much.
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Here is a new petition that I forgot to post earlier.
http://www.justicecoalition.org/petition2.htm


Here is a link to an article about a nurse who took care of Terri for over a year and whose sworn testimony was simply ignored by Judge Greer, along with all the sworn testimony of anyone who ever testified on behalf of keeping Terri alive. I believe she will be on Hannity and Colmes, which starts in about 5 minutes.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43427

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83 posted 03-22-2005 10:56 PM       View Profile for TexUS   Email TexUS   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for TexUS

Denise, you are amazing.
THANK YOU for all the information,
and your tireless efforts in getting
it out there...


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84 posted 03-23-2005 06:44 AM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

You're welcome, Tex.

I woke up to the news that the emergency appeal to the 11th Circuit has been denied. My heart breaks for Terri and her family.

I don't hold out any hope that the Supreme Court will come to her rescue either. She will never get the de novo hearing that the family requested, because the judiciary is bent out of shape that the Congress sent the case to them in the first place. So now all the liberals and Democrats who suddenly care about States' rights can sleep a little better now. How dare anyone question the decision of the State courts! Except of course when convicted criminals are sentenced to death. Their appeals have plenty of merit. Judges are the supreme rulers of the land.

This is where the slippery slope has brought us. First it became acceptable to withdraw extraordinary means of life support from the terminally ill, at their advance written direction. Then it became acceptable to withdraw extraordinary means of life support from the terminally ill without their advance written direction. Now we have come to the point where it is apparantly acceptable to withdraw FOOD & WATER from the disabled who are not even ill because we have determined that their quality of life does not meet some acceptable standard, and by order of a court, no less. How shameful.

My friend's son would be dead now by these standards. But after years of intense therapy and loving care (something demonstrably not afforded to Terri by her "husband"), after being run over by a motorcycle at the age of 5 and suffering severe brain damage, he is in his third year of college, where he lives on campus AND is on the Dean's List. Sure, he looks funny, talks funny and walks funny, but he's alive and happy and productive.

Please continue to pray for Terri and her family.

Sometimes justice isn't done in this world. But God can even use the injustice of man to a glorious end.

Thank you.



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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43439
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43447
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Denise~
My heart breaks along with yours that no stay of execution has been given Terri on this round~

Still praying so hard for her and her blood family~
Thank you, dear friend, for letting others know about Terri's plight ... so many go uninformed for too long of the atrocities happening in our REAL WORLD~

Love you~
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87 posted 03-23-2005 07:01 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Still praying too, Marge, for a miracle and for justice.

And now the latest? A Florida judge has forbidden the DCF to take Terri into protective custody?

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Excerpts from Starved for Justice by Ann Coulter:

quote:
Liberals' newfound respect for "federalism" is completely disingenuous. People who support a national policy on abortion are prohibited from ever using the word "federalism."

I note that whenever liberals talk about "federalism" or "states' rights," they are never talking about a state referendum or a law passed by the duly elected members of a state legislature – or anything voted on by the actual citizens of a state. What liberals mean by "federalism" is: a state court ruling. Just as "choice" refers to only one choice, "the rule of law" refers only to "the law as determined by a court."

Just once, we need an elected official to stand up to a clearly incorrect ruling by a court. Any incorrect ruling will do, but my vote is for a state court that has ordered a disabled woman to be starved to death at the request of her adulterous husband.

Florida state court Judge George Greer – last heard from when he denied an order of protection to a woman weeks before her husband stabbed her to death – determined that Terri would have wanted to be starved to death based on the testimony of her husband, who was then living with another woman. (The judge also took judicial notice of the positions of O.J. Simpson, Scott Peterson and Robert Blake.) The husband also happened to be the only person present when the oxygen was cut off to Terri's brain in the first place. He now has two children with another woman.

Greer has refused to order the most basic medical tests for brain damage before condemning a woman to death. Despite all those years of important, searching litigation we keep hearing about, Terri has yet to receive either an MRI or a PET scan – although she may be allowed to join a support group for women whose husbands are trying to kill them.

Greer has cut off the legal rights of Terri's real family and made her husband (now with a different family) her sole guardian, citing as precedent the landmark "Fox v. Henhouse" ruling of 1893. Throughout the process that would result in her death sentence, Terri was never permitted her own legal counsel. Evidently, they were all tied up defending the right to life of child-molesting murderers.

Given the country's fetishism about court rulings, this may be a rash assumption, but I presume if Greer had ordered that Terri Schiavo be shot at her husband's request – a more humane death, by the way – the whole country would not sit idly by, claiming to be bound by the court's ruling because of the "rule of law" and "federalism." President Bush would order the FBI to protect her and Gov. Bush would send in the state police.

What was supposed to be the "least dangerous" branch has become the most dangerous – literally to the point of ordering an innocent American woman to die, and willfully disregarding congressional subpoenas. They can't be stopped – solely because the entire country has agreed to treat the pronouncements of former ambulance-chasers as the word of God. The only power courts have is that everyone jumps when they say "jump." (Also, people seem a little intimidated by the black robes. From now on we should make all judges wear lime-green leisure suits.)


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43464

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Please email President Bush and Governor Bush and ask them to immediately take Terri Schiavo into protective custody. They both have the executive power to do that. They are both sworn to uphold the Constitution, and the foremost right is the right to life. A thousands courts can rule otherwise. That doesn't make them correct.

president@whitehouse.gov

jeb.bush@myflorida.com

Please, let's do all we can to save Terri from this judicial homicide.
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Excerpts from an open letter to Governor Bush:

FL.S.765.309 Mercy killing or euthanasia not authorized;(1) Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to condone,authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act or omission to end life other than to permit the natural process of dying.

A JUDGE CANNOT NULLIFY LAW

Floridians expect you to save Terri's life because this the only moral and legal thing to do.

The option you now have is granted to the DCF under FL.S. 415.1051 to go take possession of a disabled adult that is being abused.

After the DCF takes Terri into custody with the FDLE which they are authorized to do, you should immediately appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the allegations of criminal abuse and guardianship laws.

I know that you have only 2 boundaries to your authority, they are the United States Constitution and the Florida Constitution.

As Chief Law Enforcement Officer you possess the authority to enforce the laws of Florida which are being violated by Michael Schiavo against Terri, a Florida citizen & a disabled adult.


http://www.theempirejournal.com/03220502_reader_speaks_out_to_go.htm

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I don't understand why they don't put the nutrition tube back in, if there is so much evidence that she has been wrongly diagnosed as being in persistent vegitative state, that she isn't terminally ill or suffering as a result of being kept alive. I know alot also depends on financial issues of being able to keep her alive but I bet her family would sacrifice what it took if need be. I think legally starving and dehydrating somebody to death is abhorrent, it is no better than torture--in fact it is a type of torture.

Denise--I have been following this thread closely from across the seas, and really applaud your efforts in fighting the injustice. If "I didn't know" can't be an excuse, that is already a good thing and must help the cause as well as all the petitions and letters.

Thank you for fighting the system, cos it sure does need fighting in this case.

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And once more Terri's fight for the right to LIVE is denied by the judicial system~
No Stay of Execution by the Supreme Court~
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Why am I reminded of the last days of Christ upon this earth ?

The Judas' have spoken ... the cross is again in place for Terri Schiavo ... and her walk to that final resting place gets shorter and more inhumanely cruel with each passing hour~

Save a cross for each of the thieves of her life !!

I pray for mercy ... tender, tender mercy~

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Amen to everthing.

Denise, where is the article or document where it says that Terri's husband had an affair and she had life insurance? There were two horrible and misinformed editorials in the university paper, stating that this was an "act of love by a loving husband"

I got tears of pain and anger in my eyes as I read it, and I want to submit a rebuttal. Even if Terri must perish, which I hope she doesn't, lets not let her life be in vain.

Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our debts...

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Well, I guess it's all over but the dying. After all is said and done, after all of the political rhetoric has been discarded, these facts remain clear...

A woman who is not terminal, who is not on life support with the exception of a feeding tube, who would not die if that tube were not to be removed, who has been in hospice for five years, almost unheard of, a woman who has a family willing and ready to care for her....is going to die because others state she has no quality of life and would be better off dead.

Pandora's box has been re-opened. Let's see what comes out in the future....
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This is a serious blow to the individual dignity of people with disabilities.  Families already struggle daily against the diminution of the value of a disabled child's life ... now it appears the state has diminished the significance of the disabled person's death.

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May as well see a picture of the woman the courts have decreed has no quality of life and deserves to be killed.


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And then there's Michael's lawyer, denouncing the neurologist who sided with Terri as being part of a Christian group with hidden agendas with bio-ethicists.  Guess that lawyer forgot about their own specialist, who's a spokesman for the Hemlock Society and gives speaking engagements endorsing euthenasia.  And it's that specialist that Judge Greer took a shine to.
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I hope the fighting of everyone helps to save her life, ESP. I've been following her plight for about 3 years now. I never actually thought that the husband and judge would succeed in their efforts to starve her to death. The very thought of it is just such an affront to common decency that it borders on the surreal. Governor Bush has filed an appeal of his blocked custody order. I hope he can somehow get custody of her.

Marge, the husband and judge picked a great time to put the family through all this excruciating agony, not that any time would ever be a good time, but did they pick this time of year to maximize their agony? The husband has even issued orders almost daily to lock out the parents, brother and sister from seeing her for up to five hours at a time. Is there no end to this man's cruelty?
And immediately upon her death he has had a standing order for years at a local funeral home to have her immediately cremated, no autopsy, and is having her ashes sent back home to her hometown near me. The parent's won't even be able to see her after she dies. I guess that will teach them that they never should have argued with him back in 1993 about his not allowing their daughter to have any rehabilitative therapy or antibiotics for her urinary tract infections.

Erica, I’ve read it in several stories, some at the family’s website in articles by their lawyers. I’ve read it in several articles at blogsforterri and related sites. Here is one article from The Empire Journal, which is doing an excellent job of investigative journalism into all the corruption and collusion surrounding the case of those in the Clearwater area. It’s a real eye-opener, provides lots of information that may lead to possible answers to the questions of WHY? of  this horrible situation:

Michael has admitted being involved with multiple women since Terri's illness and has lived in adultery with a woman since 1996; they have two children.
http://www.theempirejournal.com/03080514_national_womens_group_p.htm

He was even involved with a woman in 1991 prior to and during the malpractice suit that he won, where he stated that his marriage vows were of paramount importance to him. Terri’s lawyers have her sworn affidavit that Michael told her at that time that he had no idea what Terri would have wanted since they were both only in their twenties and never talked about death.  She also stated that after they broke up he stalked her and once even ran her off the road. Of course, Judge Greer ignored and discounted her sworn affidavit as well as every other one ever submitted on Terri’s behalf to prove that Michael should not continue to be her guardian and affidavits submitted contradicting Michael’s and his brother and sister-in-law’s claims that Terri said she would not want to be kept alive by extraordinary means.
http://www.blogsforterri.com/

Here is the family’s site: http://www.terrisfight.net/

You will find plenty of rebuttal evidence all over the place.

Michael, yes it is a travesty of justice. It is a mockery of justice. It is a perfect example of an arrogant judiciary that believes it is above the law. It looks evil, it even feels evil.

Thanks for sharing the picture. She is beautiful, isn't she?

Jim, I can't think of anything that diminishes the rights of the disabled more than this. The damage that one group of people in Clearwater can do to decades of legislation on behalf of the disabled is mind boggling.

Ali, yes, the "expert" doctor that Felos hired is a pro-death, pro-physician assisted suicide advocate and lecturer. Bur Greer saw no bias in his testimony. Unreal. Greer is also a right to die advocate, as is Felos and Michael Schiavo, as are most of the powerful influential people in Clearwater. Is it a coincidence that the Church of Scientology has its world headquarters in that city? They don't believe that the "defective" (sick and disabled) of society have any rights. L. Ron Hubbard's philosophies are very easy to authenticate by doing a search on his name. Curious, the "expert" doctor has said the same thing in past lecture papers that he has written. No, but the only bias you hear about is the supposed bias of anyone saying that she isn't PVS, and that she should at least be given a PET scan and MRI to validate such an assertion, but Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer have always denied that request too. Neurologists believe these are essential tools in making such a diagnosis, and I would think expecially in Florida where it is now legal to pull someone's feeding tube if they are PVS. Greer went beyond the pale, even if it were proven that she were PVS, in ordering that no one could attempt to feed and hydrate her orally.

I refuse to give up hope until all hope is gone. I'm still praying that Governor Bush will do the right thing and take her into custody, reconnect her feeding tube and have the medical tests done that should have been done years ago.

 
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