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50 posted 03-03-2005 10:01 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

"I can't for the life of me understand the preservation of life being controversial."

If you worked in a nursing home and saw people suffer day in and day out, you might have a different perspective.

Once again, I agree that it would be entirely immoral (and should be deemed illegal) to take Terri off the feeding tube. But this case is a unique case, and it is not what is usually seen in nursing homes. People have the right to legally decide what they want done (or not done) to preserve their lives, and in that persons inability to communicate, that responsibility usually does fall to the family.
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51 posted 03-03-2005 08:34 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

You're right, hush, it would be the height (depths?) of immorality to remove a feeding tube in order to starve and dehydrate someone.


quote:
  
Congress May Step in on Terri Schiavo Case
Congressman David Weldon (R-FL), a medical doctor, plans to introduce legislation titled the Incapacitated Person's Legal Protection Act (Terri's Law), which will hopefully help save Terri Schiavo's life. The legislation would give Terri and others in similar situations the same constitutional protection of due process as death row inmates. Already this week, attorneys for Terri's parents have filed six different motions to help save their daughter, all of which are now on appeal. Dr. Weldon's legislation would allow Terri to have her own counsel who can argue her case, a right given to any criminal in the United States. Terri is, of course, not a criminal but a woman fighting for her life. As Terri's fight intensifies, I cannot be more frank on the fate of this poor woman if her husband has his way. If Terri's feeding tubes are removed, she will face a slow death through starvation, which can take anywhere from 7 to 30 days. Terri's parents, as do Congressman Weldon and I, truly believe Terri is alive and deserves to continue living. Please call, e-mail, AND fax your U.S. representative to support Terri's Law -- truly life-saving legislation. Time is of the essence.
Contact Your Elected Officials. Source: Family Research Council


http://www.blogsforterri.com/

Please contact your elected officials immediately about this new piece of legislation. It will be voted on March 8th. No time to lose. And please pass this info on to everyone you know and ask them to do the same. Thanks!
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52 posted 03-04-2005 12:06 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Denise-

Do you think, in the absence of a living will, a family should have the right to say "No, I don't believe my mom/dad/whoever would want to live this way- please do not place a feeding tube." Is preserving life always the right decision?
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In my opinion, without a written advance directive, no one can really know, or prove, what someone else would want in a given situation, hush. They can only speculate.

But I don't consider food and water extraordinary means of life support anyway. I think if a person's body can tolerate the feeding process then they should be fed and be kept comfortable and allow for the natural progression of the dying process if they are terminally ill. In Terri's case there is no dying process, unless she is deprived of food and water. She isn't terminally ill, as you know. She's disabled.

So no, I don't think anyone should have the right to be able to deprive someone of food and water in order to facilitate their dying. Let the disease, if they have one and it isn't responding to treatment, be the cause of their death, not starvation and dehydration.
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54 posted 03-08-2005 07:46 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Here is the latest news. Let's pray that this legislation passes for Terri's sake and for other disabled people who do not have advance medical directives.

Also in the article is a statement from a renowned physicican stating that Terri can be helped with therapy, and is definitely responsive and not in a coma.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43205

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quote:
Greer has denied the motion for new medical testing, the motion to reconsider his error in the testimony regarding Karen Quinlan and has ordered that Terri cannot be given food and water orally after tube removal.



quote:
- From the Empire Journal
The battle lines were clearly drawn Wednesday in the courtroom of Pinellas County Judge George W. Greer when the chief legal counsel for Florida’s Department of Children and Families told Greer that the court cannot impede an agency function during a contentious court hearing on various motions in the Terri Schiavo case, the neurologically impaired woman whom Greer has ordered to death by starvation.

Greer also finished denying the rest of the motions which had been submitted by Terri Schiavo’s parents following his order issued on Feb. 25 that her execution will begin at 1 p.m. on March 18.

http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/2005/03/as_judge_greer.php

Please continue to keep Terri in your prayers and continue to contact the Florida politicians. If you haven't signed any of the petitions available, please do so. All the links are in a previous post.

Thanks.
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56 posted 03-13-2005 06:15 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Here are email addresses that you can copy and paste. They are grouped in 20 or less since some email providers only allow 20 at a time. If you have AOL, I understand that you have to wait at least twenty minutes between emails that are addressed to twenty people or they will deactivate your account until you call them to get it reactivated. Whether you have AOL or another provider, I'd wait at least twenty minutes anyway to be on the safe side.

Please email all these folks and ask them to do whatever they can to save Terri and other disabled people who can't speak for themselves from euthenasia.

Thanks so much.


jeb@jeb.org, jeb.bush@myflorida.com,  wise.stephen.web@flsenate.gov, drawdy.ann.so9@flsenate.gov, fasano.mike.web@flsenate.gov, giordano.gregory@flsenate.gov, dockery.paula.web@flsenate.gov, lynn.evelyn.web@flsenate.gov, miller.leslie.web@flsenate.gov, siplin.gary.web@flsenate.gov, smith.rod.web@flsenate.gov, alexander.jd.web@flsenate.gov, aronberg.dave.web@flsenate.gov, bennett.mike.web@flsenate.gov, carlton.lisa.web@flsenate.gov, constantine.lee.web@flsenate.gov, cowin.ana.web@flsenate.gov, jones.dennis.web@flsenate.gov,
  
  
crist.voctor.web@flsenate.gov, lee.tom.web@flsenate.gov, posey.bill.web@flsenate.gov, fernanr@eog.state.fl.us, raquel.rodriguez@myflorida.com, calamac@eog.state.fl.us, bob.marshall@trincomm.org, speaker@myfloridahouse.gov, sharron.brown@myfloridahouse.gov, peterman.frank@myfloridahouse.com, farkas.frank@myfloridahouse.com, flores.anitere@myfloridahouse.com, waters.leslie@myfloridahouse.com, diana.caridad@myfloridahouse.com, berfield.kim@myfloridahouse.com, detert.nancy@myfloridahouse.com, clarke.donna@myfloridahouse.com, galvano.bill@myfloridahouse.com, homan.ed@myfloridahouse.com,
  
  
joyner.arthenia@myfloridahouse.com, justice.charlie@myfloridahouse.com, legg.john@myfloridahouse.com, machek.richard@myfloridahouse.com, mahon.mark@myfloridahouse.com, mayfield.stan@myfloridahouse.com, kravitz.dick@myfloridahouse.com, kreegel.paige@myfloridahouse.com, kyle.bruce@myfloridahouse.com, mealor.david@myfloridahouse.com, murzin.dave@myfloridahouse.com, needelman.mitch@myfloridahouse.com, negron.joe@myfloridahouse.com, patterson.pat@myfloridahouse.com, poppell.ralph@myfloridahouse.com, porth.ari@myfloridahouse.com, reagan.ron@myfloridahouse.com, rivera.david@myfloridahouse.com, robaina.julio@myfloridahouse.com,
  
  
roberson.yolly@myfloridahouse.com, rubio.marco@myfloridahouse.com, sands.franklin@myfloridahouse.com, sansom.ray@myfloridahouse.com, sobel.eleanor@myfloridahouse.com, sorensen.ken@myfloridahouse.com, stansel.dwight@myfloridahouse.com, stargel.john@myfloridahouse.com, taylor.priscilla@myfloridahouse.gov, vana.shelley@myfloridahouse.com, williams.trudi@myfloridahouse.com, zapata.juan@myfloridahouse.com, domino.carl@myfloridahouse.com, culp.faye@myfloridahouse.com, evers.greg@myfloridahouse.com, fields.terry@myfloridahouse.com, garcia.rene@myfloridahouse.com, gardiner.andy@myfloridahouse.com,
  
  
gibson.audrey@myfloridahouse.com, gibson.hugh@myfloridahouse.com, goldstein.susan@myfloridahouse.com, greenstein.ron@myfloridahouse.com, harrell.gayle@myfloridahouse.com, hasner.adam@myfloridahouse.com, hukill.dorothy@myfloridahouse.com, johnson.randy@myfloridahouse.com, jordan.stan@myfloridahouse.com, cretul.larry@myfloridahouse.com, davis.mike@myfloridahouse.com, davis.don@myfloridahouse.com, cannon.dean@myfloridahouse.com, carroll.jennifer@myfloridahouse.com, bucher.susan@myfloridahouse.com, brutus.phillip@myfloridahouse.com, benson.anna@myfloridahouse.com, brandenburg.mary@myfloridahouse.com,
  
  
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ross.dennis@myfloridahouse.com, seiler.jack@myfloridahouse.com, stephen.hogge@myfloridahouse.gov, david.delapaz@myfloridahouse.gov

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(angel friendship hugs) Oh Denise, it has touched my heart so much as you continue to keep us informed each day on Terri, as you care about her life soooooo much and your golden heart is full of so much passion and youthful energy for her and her loved ones!



I signed the new petitions since the last time I commented here and e-mailed all those Florida politicians, LOL! (smiles) It touches my heart deeply to see that activism spirit in your heart and following your heart and doing what you believe is right! I respect you so much for that, and I know even those who disagree with you on issues like this do too, and seeing the passion in you gives me great faith in the world that there are still plenty out there with that spirit, and that it'll still shine in my heart in the future across all issues I feel strongly about!



Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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58 posted 03-17-2005 10:14 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Thanks, Noah, for standing with me for this disabled woman's right to life.

With no written advance directive and questionable circumstances surrounding her condition and care, or lack thereof, and the cause of her even being in her current condition under suspicion, and due to the fact of her not being in a state of terminal illness, and due to her not being in a Persistent Vegatative State, by Florida's own definition of PVS, it's a no-brainer to me. There's something very rotten in Clearwater.

quote:
Pamela Hennessy, spokesperson for the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation, has issued a statement concerning the current situation in the U.S. Congress involving the needed compromise of the approved, but different, versions of the “habeas corpus bill” that would save the life of Terri Schiavo.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/
quote:
“House leaders, listed below, can make a condition of adjournment the approval of the Incapacitated Persons Legal Protection Act (Habeas Corpus) a requirement.



House Speaker Dennis Hastert
Phone: 202-225-2976
Fax: 202-225-0697 http://www.house.gov/hastert/write1.shtml

Majority Tom Delay
Ph. (202) 225-5951
Fax (202) 225-5241 http://tomdelay.house.gov/contactmecase.htm

Representative James Sessenbrenner
(202) 225-5101
mailto:sensenbrenner@mail.house.gov


Please continue to pray for Terri and for her family and please contact the folks listed above asking them to make the approval of the Incapacitated Persons Legal Protection Act (Habeas Corpus) a condition of adjournment.

And please email Governor Bush to place Terri into the protective custody of the DCF, especially if the U.S. Supreme Court fails to issue a stay while deciding if they will hear the parent's petition to them and if the Incapacitated Persons Legal Protection Act isn't finalized tomorrow morning and the House adjourns without finalizing it, because Terri will be dead by the time they return after their two week recess.

Thanks so much.  


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59 posted 03-18-2005 02:26 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Well, it appears the congressional subpoenas have been delivered to the Florida hospice, and a Florida judge has temporarily blocked the removal of her feeding tube, just moments before the deadline was there to ask for her husband to remove the tube.

I guess right now we have the unpopular opinion on Terri Schiavo and her husband appearing before Congress to testify next week. (One poll reveals 80% believed it was inappropriate for Congress to get involved). But look, I just feel that there still lacks that legislative cushion in respecting these individuals like Terri in these right-to-die cases and debates, I believe she continues to be falsely depicted of her condition in the media, and if she really wants to testify, let her testify. She's the victim here, so she should be entitled to her say. That's democracy.

I believe it's quite appropriate what the House Republican leadership has done here, in just offering her more time while Congress can fully understand what has been keeping her alive and all.

Long-term care is an issue beyond worthy of an inquiry, and I have faith in my heart the activism that Terri's case has generated these past seven years can broaden this senstitive issue more into the spotlight in the months to come.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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60 posted 03-18-2005 05:26 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Oh dear.

I was busy helping set up tomorrow's teach-in and now I've heard her feeding tube has been removed again.

I'm praying for her and her loved ones in hope for a resolve.



Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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I sent emails to the emails you have listed. I am keeping her in my prayers. You know it's disgusting, that someone that is about to be executed can get a stay from the Governor, but this is happening to Terri and no one seems to be able to do anything! Why in the world is the care of her not simply turned over to her parents?!? It is just something I can not wrap my mind around. It is unbelievable, disgusting, and heartbreaking.
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An article my wife found. National Review Online. Interesting.
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Noah, I think the subpoena issued to Terri was just an attempt to have the feeding tube not removed in order to buy some time to iron out the legislation that is pending since it is illegal to cause harm to a Federal witness. But Judge Greer is apparently above the law, so the attempt failed. I think it showcased this judge's arrogance to the Congress, which is probably a good thing and probably partly why the House and Senate convened today to iron out the language of their Incapacitated Persons bills and why they will meet tomorrow to vote. I hope and pray that they are able to move things along quickly and restore the feeding tube. If they are able to do so, then DCF can continue on with their investigation of alleged neglect and abuse and reach a conclusion while Terri is still alive. It would be a hollow victory to have them find neglect and abuse allegations to have been true, and have Michael Schiavo found not to have fulfilled his guardianship responsibilities under the law, but have Terri already dead in the meantime.

SEA, the only thing that makes sense to me is that her husband, his attorney, George Felos, and Judge Greer want her dead.

It's only speculation, for now, but I tend to believe that the husband does not want Terri to receive speech therapy and be able to tell anyone what happened to her the night of her collapse that left her brain damaged. Their marriage was a stormy one, her family had seen bruising on her at times which she always gave excuses for, and she had told her brother shortly before the 'incident' that if she had the guts she would divorce her husband. Maybe she found the guts that night and told her husband that she wanted a divorce. I guess we'll never know one way or the other until Terri tells us. I think there is plenty of probable cause to launch an investigation, though, and in the meantime not allow the subject of the investigation to starve his wife to death.

A full body bone scan done shortly after her initial hospitalization, but not made available to her parents until 2002 because Michael Schiavo would not consent to have them released, showed multiple broken bones and multiple healed fractures, prompting the doctor reading the scan to notate that Terri had a history of abuse.

Why was an investigation never done? The parents requested one in 2002 when they first saw the bone scan results, but the police said the case was too old. Perhaps the hospital did alert the police when the scan was done, as I think they would have been required by law to do, or perhaps it just fell through the cracks. My suspicion is that they did alert the police, but since Michael Schiavo and the then Sheriff were, and still are, friends, it was "taken care of".

The parents then petitioned the court to investigate Michael's suitability to continue being her guardian based on the possibility of spousal abuse that the bone scan raised, and the fact that he never provided any therapy at all with any of the jury awarded money that he received as Terri's guardian to provide for her life-long care and rehabilitative therapy. Not one penny of it ever went for Terri, as it should have. As soon as he got the money he forbade any treatment or therapy of any kind, against medical advice, even routine dental care and brushing of her teeth, and Judge Greer later gave him permission to use her funds for lawyers fees in his attempt to starve her. True to form, Judge Greer denied the petitions of the parents.

I find it odd that Michael Schiavo didn't "remember" Terri's supposed statement of not wanting to be kept alive artificially until seven years after the fact, which if the statement ever really was made, which I highly doubt considering that she was upset after seeing the movie about Karen Ann Quinlin's parents taking her off the respirator and disagreed with their decision, a feeding tube was not at that time considered a medical treatment, or viewed as an artificial means of life support in Florida. I also heard Michael say on the news that he had given his approval for the withdrawal of nutrition and hydration for both his parents.

George Felos and Judge Greer are right-to-die advocates, as is their medical expert witness. I believe they want to set a precedent for euthenizing disabled people, even if they are not terminally ill and even if they don't have a written advance directive. As it states in the article for which Pete provided a link (thanks Pete! ), the medical expert used by Greer has stated that Alzheimer's patients should also have their food and hydration withheld. He's also an advocate for assisted suicide. And it seems he's been quite busy in his career in testifying on behalf of having people starved to death. How many "Terri's" have there been? I never knew this was going on before now.

I think it would be a good idea to continue emailing Governor Bush and requesting that he immediately place Terri into protective custody under the DCF, because even with the passage of the legislation, it still may not be enough because briefs will be immediately filed by Felos declaring the legislation unconstitutional, as was done before. And if it's ruled unconstitutional before the feeding tube is even put back in, or Judge Greer simply ignores Congress again, she'll starve to death.


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Please sign this emergency petition that will be delivered in Tallahassee on Monday afternoon. Every signature will be included up until Noon on Monday. And continue to pray. Thank you.

Petition:

TO: Governor Jeb Bush, Florida Legislators, Federal Judges
CC: President George W. Bush

As a concerned citizen, I am signing this “Petition to Save Terri Schiavo” and I am urging you to take immediate action to stop the forced starvation of Terri Schiavo. It is vitally important to safeguard Terri’s right to life. Further, we cannot afford to set a legal precedent which puts the lives of other Americans at risk. I support legislative, judicial and executive efforts that will stop the forced starvation of Terri Schiavo.
http://www.cfra.info/213/petition.asp?PID=8141803
Contact Info that was listed after I signed the petition.

PHONE CALLS NEEDED!
Please take a moment to contact key leaders on this issue. Phone calls are absolutely vital!

Governor Jeb Bush
(850) 488-4441
Email: jeb.bush@myflorida.com

Senate President Tom Lee
Tallahassee: (850) 487-5072
District Office: (813) 744-8683
E-mail: lee.tom.web@flsenate.gov

Speaker of the House Allan G. Bense
Tallahassee: (850) 488-1450
District Office: (850) 914-6300
E-mail: speaker@myfloridahouse.gov

Also…

Call President Bush and ask him to personally intervene:

President George W. Bush
(202) 456-1111
president@whitehouse.gov



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Denise~
As you already know, I have been actively contacting everyone that will listen !

Look ... the entire nation is now responding with thier hearts and heads !!!!

May God's will be done~
Thank you, Denise, for standing so strong on this issue of immense importance~
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Thank YOU, Marge!

We should have news of the vote in the House shortly after midnight.
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Oh, and since last night I've been thinking that it was too bad that Terri didn't have a judge with the wisdom of King Solomon presiding over her case, you know the guy who gave the child to the woman who wanted to keep the child alive, even if she couldn't physically have custody and denied giving the child to the person who was willing to let it be killed just to prevent someone else from having it? I can definitely see the parallels.
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From an article by Rabbi Smuley Boteach:

quote:
How the United States could today devalue the life of the infirm by removing a brain-damaged woman's feeding tube, and unwittingly ally itself with the euthanasia program of the history's foremost monster, should send shivers down the spine of every American.

But biblical ethics aside, there is also common sense and logic. Should we really take what might have been a throw-away comment from a wife to her husband about not wanting to live in a vegetative state as the rationale to murder a human being?

Apparently, Terri and her husband were watching some film about a person in a coma when Terri told her husband she would never want to live like that. But people make comments like that during movies all the time without really meaning them.

And even if Terri Schiavo expressly wanted to die, does that mean we should kill her? Dr. Kevorkian is sitting in prison for the rest of his life precisely because he killed people who wished to die. How is this different?

And what jurisdiction should Terri's husband, Michael, have here? He maintains that he is fighting to remove his wife's feeding tube to keep his pledge to her that she be allowed to die with dignity.

Now this is curious. The husband has taken other pledges to his wife, which apparently are far less meaningful to him. For example, in marrying her, he pledged to stand by her "in sickness and in health." Yet, many years ago he abandoned Terri, moved in with his girlfriend and had children with this other woman. Apparently, his pledge of sexual fidelity did not mean much to him, either.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Michael Schiavo should have remained celibate for the last 15 years, and I understand the need for human companionship. But he could easily have divorced Terri and left her in her parents' care rather than cheating on her and having children out of wedlock. But staying married to your wife just to ensure that she dies sounds a lot to me like wanting to inherit her estate. But honestly, which sane judge, in this case Pinellas Circuit Court Judge George Greer, would allow a man who is living with, and has children with, another woman, to make life-and-death decisions concerning his wife? This is a shocking affront to basic decency.

Furthermore, Judge Greer accepted the opinion of doctors who said Ms. Schiavo, 41, is in a "persistent vegetative state," the definition of which, according to the New York Times, is "damage to her cerebral cortex [that] has made her incapable of emotion, memory or thought."

But woe to a nation that determines that the sanctity of life is determined by a capacity to feel emotion, memory or thought. Before he died, Ronald Reagan was so ravaged by Alzheimer's that he had lost all memory and all capacity for cognitive thought. But could one only imagine a sane individual arguing that Reagan should have been denied food years before his 2004 death because he had become worthless? The same applies to millions of the elderly who inhabit our homes for the aged. A great many do nothing but sit in a chair or lie in bed with scarcely movement or memory. How far are we from a time when calls will go forth to deny them all food as well?

What comes to mind in the story of Terri Schiavo is the famous quotation of Pastor Martin Niemöller concerning moral failure in the face of the Nazis: "First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me." Terry Schiavo has no voice, so we must become her voice.

I shudder for my country to think that such acts of barbarity can take place in the world's foremost democracy and humanity's guarantor of liberty and freedom.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43381

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MICHAEL ADMITS HE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TERRI WANTED

Bush Must Exercise Protective Custody Now


The Empire Journal

According to a transcript of the Larry King Show on Friday, March 18 after the nutrition and hydration had been removed from his wife by the death order of Florida judge George W. Greer, Michael Schiavo admitted on national television that “we didn’t know what Terri wanted but this is what we want……”

A review of the transcript of Friday night’s Larry King show when Schiavo and his attorney, George Felos were guests, clearly indicates that Michael Schiavo admitted that he did not know what the wishes of Terri Schindler-Schiavo are in regard to being kept alive by assisted feeding.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/18/lkl.01.html

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From a neurologist who actually examined Terri for more than 10 minutes or by video only:


With stimulation Terri improved and was interactive. Dr. James Barnhill examined her for ten minutes and said she was in a persistent vegetative state. A persistent vegetative state means the patient only has sleep-wake cycles and cannot interact or respond to others. Clearly Dr. Barnhill is quite wrong after his ten minute examination. Dr. Hammesfahr's findings after examining Terri were:


"The patient is not in coma.
She is alert and responsive to her environment. She responds to specific people best. She tries to please others by doing activities for which she gets verbal praise. She responds negatively to poor tone of voice. She responds to music.
She differentiates sounds from voices.
She differentiates specific people's voices from others.
She differentiates music from stray sound.
She attempts to verbalize.
She has voluntary control over multiple extremities
She can swallow.
She is partially blind
She is probably aphasic and has a degree of receptive aphasia.
She can feel pain.


These were some of his observations:


On September 3, I spent from approximately 11AM until 4PM with Ms. Schiavo, returning the next day to also observe Dr. Maxfield and complete my portion of the exam (which duplicated that of Dr. Maxfield, so I observed without myself specifically repeating that part of the exam that same day). The exam was videotaped at my request. The exam started with the setting up of the video camera by the videographers, with Mr. Michael Schiavo present.

...Her mother then entered the room, coming toward her and speaking her name. The daughter immediately showed awareness of the presence of her mother, looking for her, then finding her visually when the mother was approximately 8 inches from her face. She then smiled and made sounds. Her father also entered the room with further apparent recognition by the daughter. The first part of this exam included observing her interactions with her mother and her father. Here she clearly was aware of them and attempted to interact with them: the sounds, facial expressions, and searching out and tracking them.

...I asked the mother to bring a tape of piano music. Two separate pieces were listened to. The first she appeared aware of the sound, but would not sing or interact significantly. The second she did interact making sounds with the music. She stopped making these sounds, when the music stopped.

...Alertness: The patient was alert throughout essentially the entire exam.

Responsiveness: The patient would immediately respond to sound, tone of voice and to touch and pain. With respect to responding to those around her, she had limited responsiveness to me personally until approximately 45 minutes into the exam. She started to look at me, against her traditional right gaze preference, about the same time that we started getting significant relaxation in her contracted left arm (the arm that had been contracted for several years.) She appeared to identify the sound of my voice, with the relaxation of the arm. From that point, she would generally look toward the sound of my voice when heard, attempt to find me visually, then track the sound of my voice in its movements, or track me if I was within approximately one foot of her eyes. Prior to that time, she did not track me, or try to locate me visually. When playing music, she had a clear preference to the specific sound track played, and would listen to piano music, but change levels of listening depending on the track played. Her attention to the music would not wander during the track she preferred. She would pick out her mother's voice or her father's voice separate from the music or other voices or sounds in the room, and re-fix her gaze to those people. She would tend not to blink when watching those people.

She ignored her husband's loud foot-tapping that went on for approximately five minutes at one point. She also ignored his voice and did not try to seek him out visually when he would at times interject comments during the exam or immediately afterwards.


It is evident that Terri Schiavo is responsive, and not only interacts with others and with her surroundings, but chooses who to interact with. She responds immediately to her parents, takes time to get to know the doctor, and ignores her husband who is being deliberately distracting.
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I had another response, but I'm so very pissed at her 'husband', his judicial defenders, and various House Democrats that I can't even think straight right now.  All I can do is shout certain explitives at the TV, especially when those Democrats natter on irrespective of their elected constituents.  BLEAH!
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As you read this ... most of us have  consumed at least nine meals since Friday P.M., when Terri's feeding tube and hydrating mechanism were removed ... how long would you be willing to go without food or water ???
(I made a personal decision to do without food for a period of four days (96 hours) ... my lifemate wouldn't let me give up the liquids ... so at least I'm hydrated !!!  That's more than poor Terri gets !!!

Though Terri has been 'in the Florida news' for many years ... it took a movement of caring people to bring her plight to the forefront of the nation and the world !

May God's will be done and Terri's feeding tube re-inserted so she can get on with LIVING~

I asked an acquaintance, who is as adamant about the removal of the feeding tube as I am about re-inserting it, ... are YOU willing to go on a hunger (no liquids either) strike until Terri starves to death ?

What I got was a cocky, "Well, not tonight dear, I have a banquet to attend."

Continuing to pray that the Federal Judge will act quickly~

I'm sure that if I'M getting hungry ... that Terri is too !!!





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Dr. Hammesfahr is on Hannity and Colmes right now, the doctor I quoted above.
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Ali, I know how you feel. I have to leave the room when they come on with their predictable comments about the Congressional action. The very ones who otherwise think that the government has every right to insert itself into our lives, layering it endlessly with their regulations, all of a sudden are outraged that Congress would involve itself when it comes to attempting to save an innocent life from a cruel death by starvation and dehydration.

Marge, I thought about doing that but I couldn't hold out. I guess my sugar levels drop quickly because I get sick if I don't eat on time.

Yes, continuing to pray...

 
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