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Freedom Of Speech: Under Attack Or On Fire?

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50 posted 02-26-2005 09:09 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

So let's see here.  He's an educator that dismisses other's views.  Writer that steals artistic creations from others, and sells them.  Head of an ethnic studies department after proclaiming his birthright, which turned out to be a fiction.  I still have no idea why he wasn't canned earlier as other professors were for similar antics, crimes, and felonies.
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51 posted 02-26-2005 02:43 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Hey Ringo, thanks for adding your thoughts! Even though we often have disagreed in the past a majority of the time, I really have missed you and admire that we can talk of these issues heart to heart!

And I actually must say I absolutely agree with so much of what you've said here. I defend Churchill just as you've said above. I do not agree with many of his extreme views, as most liberals wouldn't, (I do understand the argument he's trying to address in his essay in that 9/11 was no suprise because our own foreign policies encouraged that behavior and I agree with that, though I am offended by his use of comparisons to Nazi Germany and that he believes more 9/11's have to be carried out in order to make people rise up against the repressive foreign policy) but to punish him for speaking out thse extreme views would be far more extreme and unconstitutional, not to mention McCarthy-esque. And if people are really that disturbed by what Churchill says, just don't take his classes, read his books or give him the cold shoulder. You don't have to give someone the right to be heard, and to do that you just have to be natural about it.

I also don't believe Matiff should be punished by any means. I too do not agree with his extreme comments, as most conservatives wouldn't, but I do agree that I know what he was trying to say and he meant well. Let's say he was quite clumsy and should understand the shock the way he chose to organize his words can cause! And I ABSOLUTELY agree that him not getting attention for earning another star or what not is the ideal punishment. Once again, going back to the closing notion in how we should move on regarding Churchill.

As for the whole serigraph controversy, well, I already said before Churchill would certainly be one of the last guys on my list I'd share a peace pipe with. It seems he is in need of some anger management for something, that I don't deny, but that's on a more personal note. I'm disturbed by the fact it appears as though he was swinging an arm at the cameraman, so indeed he's got some personal issues, some bitterness in him, to work out. And I'm all for seeing him getting sued for plagiarizing art if that is indeed the case, and that he pays the price for that. However, if those digging up that golden nugget are trying to parallel this with justifying getting him kicked out of CU, that is just embarrassing.

And getting to where Balladeer just said about this is no better than Democrats digging up dirt on Bush every other day, or in my mind, Republicans digging up dirt on Kofi Annan and the U.N every other day, where I also find most of it embarrassing, though they have every right in their heart to do so because, after all, this is a democracy, and debate and discussion are what make this nation great, I think it's important that we're discussing and noting out these issues.

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52 posted 02-26-2005 06:38 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Anyway, if you feel bad tipping and unclean shorts would be on an equal level with what's being discussed then I guess your comment has validity.

What is being discussed here?

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