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You're right, Lee. That knife sticking out of your back is meaningless and trivial as long as people still have shotguns. Cold, hard steel embedded in human flesh is no more than a nuisance compared to a 12-gauge.

The ability of the human mind to justify itself simply astounds me.
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51 posted 02-04-2005 11:11 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Smoking should be illegal.

As unpopular as it is these days, it may very well happen.

Of course, marijuana is illegal and it's almost as easy to come by as cigarettes...
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52 posted 02-07-2005 12:20 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Chris- we actually agree with each other. I've said several times I don't think a company should be able to hire or fire based on personal legal practices that occur off the clock. But it just bugs me to listen to the smokers insisting it's really not that bad.

I have a confession. I love McDonald's. I love red meat. And do I ever love deep-fried stuff. Guess what- every time I eat that crap, I'm lining myself up for coronary heart disease, or a stroke, or a heart attack.

And Lee, you're right- every time I eat something with red dye # whatever, I'm setting myself up for cancer.

But I'm not denying it. Tell me someone who works in a smoke filled bar five nights a week for years on end won't end up with adverse affects. I mean, they might not... but then, they might.

By all means, smoke all you want- it's your right, as it should be. I wouldn't object to you paying a higher health insurance premium for it, but then I guess I couldn't bitch if they gave me a dollar menu hike on mine, huh?
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53 posted 02-07-2005 04:38 AM       View Profile for Paul Wilson   Email Paul Wilson   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Paul Wilson

I guess next this health care company will fire any of their employees that decide to eat something that's not healthy like a big bowl of ice cream or maybe fire people for what they wear.... When will it stop? Never if we as individuals don't stand up for our rights...Paul

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Your all coming in loud and clear, and your opinions on smoking are to be respected, actually, I'm the hipocrate...as it says in the Bible, treat your bodies as a temple...shheeeshhh, guess I've fallen way short on that one...

As far as someone working in a smoke filled bar...I cannot argue that one either...

Insurance rates...well, gotta admit, you do have a point...but...my argument in that is, in the end we all die of something, there is no escaping death...and when all of our times come...there are medical bills regardless if we smoked or not...

I suppose bottom line and argument I'm trying to make here is this....
I'm a nice person, and a good employee...yet, bad girl as I am...I do smoke, do take my two 15 min. breaks and lunch outside in our designated smoking area...and it does not affect my performance as an employee or as a human being.

I'll go even one better, won't smoke in my own house...yup...can't stand the smell in my cloths, towels, walls, furniture, curtains, etc....and try to be very consciensce around those who do not smoke.  I can't do anymore then that, other then quit...and I honestly don't think that's going to happen any time soon.  And so, all I can do, is the best I can to sufice for others who it offends...but firing someone for smoking, is going way to far. And, as ridiculous as it sounds, and as others have suggested here in a humorous way...if this persists, it will open a very large can of worms for loosing other rights...

No matter, if you agree with smoking or not...think about whats really happening here...forget about your opinions towards smoking and smokers just for a second, and realize, the implications here and the what if's....this is serious...our rights are slowly dwindling away from us one, by one....

Hugs to all of you
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smiling  at the "not smoking in your own home because....." and I see many people around here on their porches when it is  snowing and ice cold out doing the same..

why is that I wonder...not just because of the odor etc..but because it is a health risk for their children...

(former smoker/quit over 25 years ago when I got a flu or something that made it hard to breath and smoke too...and I had laryngitus after for a year..partially caused by smoking and damaging my vocal chords temporarily and had to go to a therapist paying 50/an hour back then to regain my voice..felt stupid when others there had  lost their voice boxes due to cancer and smoking and here I was only with laryngitus)  It usually takes something serious healthwise Lee, to make someone stop smoking, will power works but sometimes you relapse.

I swore once cigarettes cost more than 50 cents a pack I was quitting and I did.  But now I see there are small cigar/cigarettes and generic brands to fill that gap and cost less making the price no obstacle to smoking...just a few thoughts.

I don't mind going into places where there is smoking, in fact I thought it was "funny"  how the non smokers section of restaurants has become the largest sections  now ...when it first started it took awhile to get a seat if you didn't smoke and I use to say give us the first available so we didn't have to wait so long.

First seeing if they would like to stop smoking and get the help needed would make more sense..and not hiring should be the option of the company. They do drug testing for some of the least paying jobs today and fingerprinting  and background checks for abuse and criminal behaviors...

I don't know how they can fire someone but I am sure they could make it so uncomfortable that some would quit..they could say no smoking at all on their company property and unless there is a property close by that someone can go on for their break then what do you do?
Just thoughts ...

M
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quote:
Paul Wilson When will it stop? Never if we as individuals don't stand up for our rights..

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LeeJ ...forget about your opinions towards smoking and smokers just for a second, and realize, the implications here and the what if's....this is serious...our rights are slowly dwindling away from us one, by one....

Preserving our rights as citizens is a good thing, and heaven knows there are more than a few in danger right now. The right to employment, however, isn't one of them. You have no such right. Never have had. Apart from a few important laws about discrimination, you don't even have a right to be treated fairly by your employer.

You don't like your job? Find another. Because you can be very certain, if they don't like an employee, they too will try to find another. Just as you don't need a good, fair reason to quit . . . they don't need a good, fair reason to fire. The only controls are those placed by the market. You get too fussy about a job and you'll go without work. They get too fussy about employees and they'll go out of business. Unfortunately for both employees and employers, the market doesn't much care for individuals, and it sure doesn't grant us any rights.

Wouldn't it be cool if society treated alcohol the way it has come to treat tobacco? Instead of telling people they "can't" drink, which clearly didn't work when it was tried, we just make it more difficult, more expensive, and more demeaning. If nothing else, we could take a cue from the smoking sections in restaurants and institute drinking- and non-drinking-roads.
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57 posted 02-07-2005 10:14 AM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

OMG Ron, poooolize don't say that...yesterday was my first beer in years...had a Yuengling Lager, frosted mug, icy cold....yummy it was great with all that comfort food during the game...?????
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58 posted 02-07-2005 09:37 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

The game, yes the game Well, when you live in Philadelphia, you get used to losing. At least now His Honor doesn't have to pay for a parade. That should help his budget crises that he's always talking about.

Ah geeze, Lee, you're not a hypocrite. The hypocrite is the one who says that they have no faults (or at least none as bad as that other person over there).

Remember the parable of the two guys in the Temple? The first was way up at the front bragging to God what a wonderful person he was, the other down on his knees, not even daring to look up, admitting to God that he was a lousy rotten sinner. Which one was said to have gone down to his house justified? The sinner, of course, since it is only the sinner who sees their true condition and need for God's grace. The self-righteous can't see their need and therefore don't think they need God's grace. They've got it all-together, they think, and therefore seek and receive nothing from God, who lavishes His grace on the humble.

I drink about 2 or 3 beers a year and Yuengling is my favorite too! Hey girl, we've got to get together! How about Liz's house soon?


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59 posted 02-07-2005 09:45 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi



"In Heaven,
Some little blades of grass
Stood before God."

http://poetry.poetryx.com/poems/4665/

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Thanks, John! Perfect!
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I don't think it has to be an either-or situation, Denise.

One can thank God for not having killed anyone this week, which many would certainly see as self-righteous, while still asking for the strength to not sin in a thousand other ways. Curiously enough, I suspect both prayers will be heard.
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they (the prayers) might be heard, but what's the answer?



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I think the answer would be...personal dedication...in other words, making rules to self...try very hard to follow them...because when we're good to us, we're then good to God...making promises to self, also makes a promise to God?  Can you imagine, if it's true...and we each have our own protective angel watching over us...wull, all I can say is that dudes sure got his work cut out for him...right?  hehe
In my case...poor guy, he must be awfully happy when I go to sleep at night...hehe

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I think you may have missed the point of the story, Ron.

According to the Bible, we don't have what it takes to make ourselves righteous in the eyes of God. The Law requires perfection, and none of us can claim that. We've all blown it, and will continue to blow it in one way or another. We can't receive God's righteousness, the only kind acceptable to God, which he bought for us with the blood of His Son, and which is freely given through faith in the finished work of Christ, when we are busy trying to establish a righteousness of our own, thinking that will be acceptable to Him.

The first man thought he was fulfilling the law, and thought he was acceptable in the eyes of God based on his performance, didn't think he needed anything from God, and was therefore proud. The second guy knew he couldn't perform the requirements of the Law, and was therefore humble, and threw himself on the mercy and grace of God.

Self-righteous acts don't gain us any brownie-points with God. And remember the Bible says if we've broken even one command, we've broken all of them. Even if we haven't murdered someone, have we lied, cheated, stolen, gossiped, harbored bitterness or resentment? Jesus even said that we are guilty of murder, under the Law, if we harbor hatred in our hearts. So self effort under the Law is not the way to have a right standing before God.

As Paul said in the third chapter of Galatians:

quote:
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Have you suffered so much for nothing–if it really was for nothing? Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?

Consider Abraham: “He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.



And that ends our Bible study for today.
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quote:
The hypocrite is the one who says that they have no faults (or at least none as bad as that other person over there). Remember the parable of the two guys in the Temple?

I'm sure I miss a great many points, Denise, but I don't think this particular story was ever intended as a license for you to judge others. Do you really think Jesus shared this story so you could label one person self-righteous and another not? Even if you understood the point of the story, I don't think you are using it as it was meant to be used.

"And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:"

The Pharisee was righteous in the law and despised others. I honestly have to wonder if it is any less dangerous to be righteous in faith when it still leads so many to despise others?
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?

I was simply relaying the point of the parable, Ron. When we trust in our selves, we are self-righteous, which leads to pride and when we can see our true condition as a sinner we are humbled by it and call on God's mercy and grace. Whom am I labeling, judging or despising?
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67 posted 02-17-2005 11:10 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi


"Too Heavy? You're Fired"


"ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. — The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa has told cocktail servers if they pack on too many pounds, they'll get an unpaid suspension to lose the weight — or be fired.

The policy will apply to anyone gaining more than 7 percent of their body weight; weight gain related to pregnancy or a medical condition will be exempt, casino officials said. The company will pay to put the offender through a weight-loss program during the up-to-90-day suspension.

The policy was laid out in a letter to employees last week — and has infuriated some women's advocates."


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147994,00.html


You knew it was coming. . .
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well, this should infuriate everyone...you know when this stops...when people stop buying into it...stop buying the Enquire, let these people alone and worry about your own life...instead of feeding off gossip and demanding women look like tooth pics...this is Insane John...literally insane...like it doesn't matter what's inside a person anymore, long as on the outside, they look like 17 year old children??????

I cannot believe people are so idiotic and buy into these trends...

But of course, that's what it's all about anymore...product and demand?  Yes?

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Quick show of hands. How many of you want to marry an ugly person? Are you really so eager to crawl into bed with Quasimodo every night for the rest of your life?
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My wife did, but my hump doubles as an end table when company comes over so she puts up with me.
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me me me!

oh, wait.

I thought you said bury an ugly person.

egowhores.com - really love yourself.

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LOL. My point, of course, is that our standards aren't so much defined by commercialism as our commerce is defined by our standards. Our instinct to pass along our genes has created a correlation between beauty (not important to reproduction) and health (very important to reproduction) that bleeds over into everything we do. That bouncy eighteen-year-old is perceived as sexy, in large part, because our chromosomes interpret it as good health. And over several thousands of years, those chromosomes have been right often enough that they have come to dominate. The people who chose ugly, unhealthy mates didn't have quite as many surviving children.

Culture, of course, is still an influence on our perceptions of beauty, but I honestly think it's less of an influence than many would pretend. The anorexic Twiggy-look* never lasts long because we instinctively know undernourished waifs generally make poor breeders. Beauty, I believe, is more about health than about anything else.

As long as men want to be free to choose their wives, and as long as women want to have "beautiful babies," employers are going to continue exercising their prerogative to make the same kinds of choices.

* Twiggy, circa 1967, weighed 91 pounds and was five-feet, seven inches tall. Models today stand five-feet, eleven-inches tall and weigh 117 pounds. The average woman, however, is five-foot four-inches tall and weighs 140 pounds.

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May be a bit sexist, but this is something I've found to be tried and true.  Look not so much for beauty, but culinary finesse.  Trust me, you'll be happier and healthier in the long run.     So says Jimmy Soul in 'If You Wanna Be Happy'.

As for this topic, discrimination is discrimination, plain and simple.  Of course, most businesses and companies don't put such into policy, instead relying on the old standby 'we reserve the right to terminate employment at any time, for any reason, without giving reason or notice.'  Unless they put discriminatory policy in writing, good luck prosecuting discrimination, which goes against state and federal law.
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quote:
'we reserve the right to terminate employment at any time, for any reason, without giving reason or notice.'

Similar wording seems to apply to most human relationships, wouldn't you say, Ali?

It's certainly applied to all of mine, especially the no "reason or notice" part.
 
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