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bbent
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25 posted 01-30-2005 02:07 AM       View Profile for bbent   Email bbent   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit bbent's Home Page   View IP for bbent

Certainly funny how the same people that scream for drug testing to protect themselfs from drunk airline pilots or their children from pot smoking teachers balk when the same invasion of privacy affects them personally.Legal or not cig's are a highly addictive,life taking drug.I'm not going to post any numbers,look them up if you dare,about the effects of tobaco on ones health and the cost of treating it.I recall someone posting that their smoking didn't effect their work habits or ability.That's a far different smoker than I was.To say it didn't effect my ability to do strenious tasks would be nothing but a lie.I'd have to stop to rest and have a smoke half way up a hill I now walk easily without any breathing difficulty.The residue from cigs stink.Try quitting then stepping into a room freqented by smokers and taking a wiff.That same stench ends up in the clothing and on the bodys of nearby nonsmokers.If that's not infringing on a nonsmokers right to smell clean I don't know what is.I have to hang my jacket in a coat room where i work which is also the designated smoking area and it's nessasary to wash the thing nearly daily or stink.Dang but if the residual effects of having a beer isn't having to pee,how would you feel about beer drinkers pissing on your hair and cloths.Rather than rave about the many unhealthy side effects of smoking on the smoker and those having to live with their second hand smoke the point I'm wanting to make is,next time some goverment agency wether it be Dubya and his for your protection personal right stripping patriot act or a local amendment to some constitutional right comes up for a vote do your bitchin and whineing then.Seems to me  if you buy a snake to eat your rats then find your own toe in it's path you best be ready for a bite.A snakes a snake.All the ratioalizing in the world isn't going to change that.Just a thought.As far as emplyer,employee relationships go I have to agree,don't bite the hand that feeds you.Your employer's paying the cost to be the boss so respect them or find a gig more to your likeing.Selfemployment is an option.

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Dance like nobody's watching...
Love like you've never been hurt...

Brad
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26 posted 01-30-2005 08:41 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

quote:
Certainly funny how the same people that scream for drug testing to protect themselfs from drunk airline pilots or their children from pot smoking teachers balk when the same invasion of privacy affects them personally.


Yeah, it's funny to pretend, isn't it?

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Legal or not cig's are a highly addictive,life taking drug.


Yep.


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I'm not going to post any numbers,look them up if you dare,


[already done that]

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about the effects of tobaco on ones health and the cost of treating it.I recall someone posting that their smoking didn't effect their work habits or ability.


Who?
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That's a far different smoker than I was.To say it didn't effect my ability to do strenious tasks would be nothing but a lie.I'd have to stop to rest and have a smoke half way up a hill I now walk easily without any breathing difficulty.


I started smoking because I moved. Are you suggesting I shouldn't have?

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The residue from cigs stink.Try quitting then stepping into a room freqented by smokers and taking a wiff.


Try stepping into a room with nonsmokers. They bore and irritate to death.

quote:
That same stench ends up in the clothing and on the bodys of nearby nonsmokers.If that's not infringing on a nonsmokers right to smell clean I don't know what is.I have to hang my jacket in a coat room where i work which is also the designated smoking area and it's nessasary to wash the thing nearly daily or stink.Dang but if the residual effects of having a beer isn't having to pee,how would you feel about beer drinkers pissing on your hair and cloths.Rather than rave about the many unhealthy side effects of smoking on the smoker and those having to live with their second hand smoke the point I'm wanting to make is


My mistake, I'm a smoker.
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27 posted 01-30-2005 11:00 AM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

bbent,

Chill out dude! Have a cigarette!

So your whole point was to tell us to complain and whine about Dubya? Hasn't that been done to death?

Maybe your boss could accomodate the smokers with a room with a window for ventilation instead of a coat closet, or make them go outside to smoke (like I have to) and/or respect your contributions to the company enough to give you another place to hang your coat, maybe a 29 cent hook from Home Depot for your office or cubical? A can of air-freshener is pretty cheap too. Shouldn't bankrupt the company, I wouldn't think.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you...sort of makes it sound like charity...most folks I know work damned hard for every penny they earn. The employer/employee relationship is a two-way street. For the money workers receive the boss is getting something in return that he deems valuable.

And I'll compare my work ethic, ability, health care usage and attendance record against any nonsmoker at my workplace any day of the week. Of course none of us climb hills and mountains for a living. I doubt that most people have jobs that demanding.

And I don't think you can accurately compare cigarettes to drugs and alcohol. They don't have the same debilitating affect on the senses. I think it would be more accurate to compare smoking cigarettes to eating junk food, or not exercising enough, or being obese, etc.

And I don't think anything smells as bad as intolerance. Now that really reeks!
Huan Yi
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28 posted 01-30-2005 12:10 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi


Face it: smokers are a minority it is politically correct
to hate.  That’s where the problem will come with weight.
You can publicly excoriate Joe Camel, but adversely comment
on Girtha and you’ll be scheduled for a sensitivity class at least
or else.
Titia Geertman
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29 posted 01-30-2005 07:59 PM       View Profile for Titia Geertman   Email Titia Geertman   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Titia Geertman's Home Page   View IP for Titia Geertman


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about the effects of tobaco on ones health and the cost of treating it.I recall someone posting that their smoking didn't effect their work habits or ability.
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It did effect my work...from the time on that I had to go outside for a smoke!
I used to work 8 hours a day, smoking a cigarette while working. When I wasn't allowed to smoke in my own room anymore, my employers lost at least 1 hour a day of my hard work. Not that I ever felt sorry for them, they made the call, not me.

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The residue from cigs stink.Try quitting then stepping into a room freqented by smokers and taking a wiff.
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Ever entered a room full of people who have just finished with lunch or dinner with lots of garlic in the food??? Mmmmm....bad example....I happen to love garlic.
Ever entered a room full of sweating people?

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As far as emplyer,employee relationships go I have to agree,don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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You mean: like a dog, still crawling after the boss slapt him?

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Your employer's paying the cost to be the boss so respect them
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It's a fair trade, me working, him paying. But that doesn't mean he owns me. Respect? depends on how he's behaving himself. Respect is something that must be earned, not forced.

Hi Denise, we're heading to end up as a rare breed and like my sheep, one day they'll set up a program to preserve us smokers from being extinct

Like scattered leaves...my words will flow

LeeJ
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30 posted 01-31-2005 06:48 AM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

I'm right there with ya Denise...in every aspect of your words...
hush
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31 posted 01-31-2005 08:49 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Well, I don't think it's right to fire smokers, but on the same token, I think it's just ridiculous to listen to all the smokers in here talking about how it's really not that harmful. Don't get me wrong, I've smoked in the past and still do occasionally- obviously I don't know 20 or 30 years of addiction since I'm still a young'n, but I have seen the bad effects of smoking on people. If you don't take more sick days now, you will, or you will end up costing your life insurance company when you get cancer or COPD. ANd that cop-out about "well, if I'm gonna get cancer or emphysema, I'll already get it, so why quit now" is a bunch of bull. My mother, who was extremely ill due to other factors, was a lifelong smoker who battled trying to quit. Guess what? When she wasn't smoking, she stayed out of the hospital. When she was smoking, she got chronic bouts of pneumonia. Hmmm. Just wait till you're old and frail... it'll happen. That isn't to say that there aren't other causes of such costly illnesses (ie- bigmac's and fries) and it isn't to say that it's right for you to get fired for an unhealthy habit- but come on, at least admit that it can or will affect your health and will eventually probably lead to debilitating illness.
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32 posted 01-31-2005 11:29 AM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

Dear Hush, never wanted to reinterate that smoking isn't harmful...it is...but so is drinking and taking drugs...but...it doesn't affect a person's work ethics and never, ever should someone be fired for in their home or car.  My gosh, I've worked for companies who took regular drug tests and those people were warned, not fired...and that I could hardly believe.  I also see people get away with murder on the job...and yet, they are never repromanded...or warned...but to fire smokers b/c they smoke...that to me is ludicrous and narrow minded...

I just have a difficult time...with the shallowness of reality...and the never ending battle with those who wish to control..and yet, won't tackle a life threatening issue...such as the chemical companies...their accidents and security, or lack thereof....

Excuse the pun, but to me, this is all a smoke screen for American's who have a real issue with controling others....

Again...smoking is a dirty, bad habit, and I wish I didn't smoke, but I do and it was a bad choice on my part...but should I get fired b/c of it...?  NO! And if I did, I think out of frustration and being so blasted tired of being reminded to be politically correct....I'd sue back...and that's what has to start happening to wake people up...I think?  

Larry C
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33 posted 01-31-2005 11:52 AM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

Could somebody scrape my jaw off the floor? Denise is a smoker! Well I gotta say she's one of the nicest I've ever met. Dang...

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

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34 posted 01-31-2005 12:13 PM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

yup, yup, we smokers look just like people who don't smoke, and shock...some of us are pretty nice to....possessing concern for others....hehe

jbouder
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35 posted 01-31-2005 02:13 PM       View Profile for jbouder   Email jbouder   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jbouder

Christopher:

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An additional thought, Jim - should that same company also be allowed to refuse employment to someone based on gender, race, religious preference, etc?


Should or can?  Without getting mired too deep in the quagmire of civil rights law, those you listed are protected classes.  Smokers are not.  Until they are, then private companies may do pretty much as they please.

By the way ... next time you confuse Pete and I, I'm the ugly one.

Brad:

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Try stepping into a room with nonsmokers. They bore and irritate to death.


I bore and irritate you?  Why haven't you told me this before?  I feel like I don't even know you anymore!

Jim
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36 posted 01-31-2005 03:55 PM       View Profile for Not A Poet   Email Not A Poet   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Not A Poet's Home Page   View IP for Not A Poet

Well Jim, I have known you to irritate and cause other discomfort to Brad but boring ... no I don't recall that
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37 posted 01-31-2005 09:16 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

John, I'd like to think that 'hate' might be a bit over the top, but smokers have definitely been put in the 'not politically correct category'.


quote:
like a dog, still crawling after the boss slapt him?


hehehe...good one, Titia. I've had a few bosses like that!

No, we'll never be as lucky as your sheep because I think the world WANTS us extinct! Even sheep get more respect and they don't smell that great either!

Hush, no one's saying or pretending that it isn't harmful. Starting to smoke was probably the stupidest thing I ever did and if I could go back and undo it I would. I think it's great that there is the anti-smoking campaign out there to educate kids about never starting and I encourage everyone I know who attempts to quit. Some  have been successful and I'm happy for them. Some haven't been, like myself. That's just the reality of it.

And it's not a cop-out about the damage being irreversible after 25-30 years of smoking and if you're going to get a serious disease, you're going to get it whether you quit or not at that point. I even heard one doctor put it at 10-15 years. But sure, someone can exaserbate another existing condition by continuing to smoke, like in your mom's case.

I may get sick from it, or not, I may die from it, or not. I don't know and neither does anyone else. My parents smoked and died from other unrelated causes. My husband's grandfather smoked all his life (those old filterless ones), and drank like a fish, and lived to be a hale and hearty 98 years old. I think genes may be more of a determining factor in health and longevity than our unhealthy habits, not that they don't play a part.

One thing is certain. We're all going to die from something someday. And most of us are going to use our health care for one ill or another, especially as we get older. And all of us will someday have someone cashing in our life insurance policy.




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Excuse the pun, but to me, this is all a smoke screen for American's who have a real issue with controling others....?


Lee, yep, I think it's called fascism.


Larry, Titia, Lee and I are very nice people (just don't try hiding our cigarettes! )   

LeeJ
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38 posted 02-01-2005 06:55 AM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

yup, I'm like a bear with a sawed off paw without...but quiting is always an option...

Denise, all kidding aside...in my dating days, (bout 3 years ago) you wouldn't believe the people who said..."I hate smokers!" and by God, they really meant it????  I hope if I quit...I'm always reminded of the looks, comments and nasty "wish you weren't in my space stares"



and for those of you who might deem us terrible people b/c we smoke...seriously, I know it's not healthy and it kills, but not nearly to the extent that "they" would have you believe.  At this point in time, there are far more issues to be concerned with...give the smoker's a break, they're people to?  And this 2nd hand smoke thing...well, seriously think about it...then think about all the exhaust from cars...factories, chemical plants, coal...etc...They've actually convinced people to hate smokers....and smokers are not the real problem...


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39 posted 02-01-2005 09:59 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Exactly.  The one time I was in San Diego (and promptly got a chest infection from the foul air) I was harassed a few times for smoking.  So I'd looked around at the haze and remarked 'Hey, at least I have a filter.  Lord knows you need one here.'  The accosters didn't take that too kindly, muttering and granting dark peacenik stares as they hobbled away on their frayed hemp sandals.
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40 posted 02-01-2005 12:18 PM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

Hey,
My primary issues with smokers are the butts on the road. I learned to accept people for who they are decades ago. It's just funny the things you assume about people based on pieces of information. Denise, you are such an awesome defender of God that it never occured to me that you might be a smoker. I have much family history with smokers and have lost a number of people I miss terribly to early deaths because of it. Trying to categorize people is the shortest path to prejudice and misunderstanding.

A side note - when I hang out with the smokers at work to discuss business, they ask if I'm taking up smoking because no one else will be around them then. I say nope, just taking up second hand smoking.


If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

[This message has been edited by Larry C (02-01-2005 12:55 PM).]

hush
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41 posted 02-03-2005 01:48 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

'I know it's not healthy and it kills, but not nearly to the extent that "they" would have you believe.  At this point in time, there are far more issues to be concerned with...give the smoker's a break, they're people to?  And this 2nd hand smoke thing...well, seriously think about it...then think about all the exhaust from cars...factories, chemical plants, coal...etc...'

No, seriously, this is the attitude I'm talking about. It is as harmful as "they" would ahve you believe- just like McDonald's is as unhealthy as "they" would ahve us believe. I'm not supporting the actions of this company- I think it's a terrible invasion into personal rights- your (and my) personal right to light up, or to smash on a burger. But saying that 2nd hand smoke isn't really all that bad is ridiculous... I mean, yeah, air pollution in general is awful, but the next time somone parks their car in a bar and lets it run, let me know. Smoking is a terrible source of indoor air pollution- I used to work in bars and the stench on my clothes at the end of the night was terrible. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do it- smoking is banned in bars here in T-town as well, and I think it's retarded. But offer a smoke free section, and at least admit that your waitress is going to ahve to face the consequences of you smoking just as much as you will.
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42 posted 02-03-2005 02:11 PM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

Hush, hi, and good day to ya

I believe that 2nd hand smoke can be affective if, a child grows up and his parents smoke in the house...for 2 - 18 years and the child is constantly breathing in that smoke, (depending on the genes and if cancer was present in prior relatives) however, if your walking down the street, or in a bar for a night, and someone next to you is smoking...no, I do not nor will anyone convince me that 2nd hand smoke is going to cause them cancer, thank you very much. hehe  

I mean, the media actually has people in fear of that, and convinced and brain washed to hate smokers.  And smokers are not nearly the cause of so many deaths realated to many different kinds of cancers today.

Beside, you wouldn't believe the amount of smokers that have quit!!!!

So, I'm being very serious when I say, Americans should really start looking in other areas why cancers are excellerating and killing.  And I mean that with my heart.
And my first indication would be the foods & meds we digest (chemicals, hormones, sugar substitutes, flours)...second would be the envirnment where we live (chemicals in water treatment plants, chemicals they use in lakes to kill algea and weed grasses), and third would be pollution...quit candidly, they don't want you to know, and what better smoke screen then cigs...no pun intended...hehe

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43 posted 02-03-2005 03:01 PM       View Profile for Capricious   Email Capricious   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Capricious

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Quitting smoking is not something that can easily be done. Some, perhaps most, will never be able to give it up. You might as well ask them to walk on water. Believe me, I know.


My grandfather smoked for fifty years and quit, cold turkey, in one week when he was hospitalized for triple bypass surgery.

His logic was "If I went for a week without a cigarette, I reckon I've quit."

My grandmother, who had smoked for about the same fifty years, subsequently quit in respect of my grandfather's decision.

I'm not saying you've never tried to quit, Denise, or that smoking is not a difficult habit to break.  I'm saying that you CAN quit - when you say that you, or anyone else, "will never be able to give it up," you really mean "will never give it up."  You ARE able.

quote:
And once you've smoked for twenty-five or thirty years, the damage is done. If you are going to get cancer or respiratory disease, you're going to get it, whether you quit or not at that point. So how will quitting then save on health care costs anyway?


Actually, the human body has amazing recuperative properties, so long as the source of the toxins no longer exists.  You'd be amazed at the difference between the lungs of a current smoker and one who quit only two years ago.  The problem with smoking is that it lays down the crap faster than your body can clean it up.  

It's kind of the equivalent of eating McDonald's every day, three times per day, and not being able to adjust your exercise level to compensate.  You're going to get fat, but it's not permanent if your eating habits change!
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44 posted 02-03-2005 04:26 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

I agree with you, Amy - smoking's terrible for you and those around you no matter what light you put it in. Comparing it to something as bad or worse doesn't make it any less harmful.

No "buts" either. (pardon the pun)

It's bad or worse. Period.

But this isn't a topic about whether smoking is bad for you. This is a topic about the rights of a company to either not hire (Ron brought up a very good point regarding legislating that) or discontinue employment due to smoking habits.

I stand by the following that should disallow this practice in as much as it can be legislated.
  • Smoking is legal.
  • If smoking does not hinder a person's ability to do their job (which would comprise most positions available) their is no reason save predjudice to not hire/fire the worker for smoking.
  • Smoking is bad for you. Overeating is bad for you. Drinking excessively is bad for you. On and on and on. It is inevitable that if one of those are tackled and won as a indefensible issue, the rest will follow.
  • If you want to eliminate smoking in the workplace in a legal manner, make smoking cigarettes illegal.
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45 posted 02-03-2005 10:42 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Alas, my friend, I am a flawed human being, Larry! No big surprise there!

Capricious, no, you don't know me very well. I am not able. I am not saying I will never...it just hasn't happened yet and if it is up to me and my will power, it won't happen. I don't have any. I heard that the average New Year's Resolution lasts about 6 months. For me it's more like 6 minutes. If it's going to happen for me it will have to be by the grace of God. He is able, I'm not. I'm definitely open to a miracle!

But how was your quitting experience? Any techniques that you found particulary helpful when your will power started to evaporate that you could share that might be encouraging?  

That's next on the agenda, Christopher. It has been a slow process over the past 10-15 years or so to get where we are today. First it was smoking sections inside, then it slowly but surely changed to smoking outside only in some places, now bars, restuarants, and every building (private and public) in some cities, next it will be anywhere outside in the open air, just like in Princeton, NJ where you can only smoke INSIDE your own house (not outside in your yard or on your porch or in your car), and now an employer who will get away with firing employees for even smoking at all, even in their own house. The next logical step, seems to me, is making it illegal. It may take a few years, but I see it coming. I think everything that we have seen taking place is only the prelude to making it illegal.

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The next logical step, seems to me, is making it illegal. It may take a few years, but I see it coming. I think everything that we have seen taking place is only the prelude to making it illegal.

If any other drug was introduced with so many alarmingly negative effects and so incredibly few benefits, the public would be up in arms in a heartbeat. It should be illegal.

But then, so too should alcohol, and we all know how well THAT worked.
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47 posted 02-03-2005 10:56 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

But people are such slow learners, Ron.
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48 posted 02-04-2005 01:29 AM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

“Alcohol 'as harmful as smoking'

Alcohol causes almost as many deaths and disabilities globally as smoking or high blood pressure, researchers warn.
An international team of scientists, writing in the Lancet, point out alcohol is a factor in about 60 different diseases.

The researchers found 4% of the global burden of disease is attributable to alcohol, compared to 4.1% to tobacco and 4.4% to high blood pressure.

And they said that increasing alcohol prices in the UK could cut deaths.

The scientists were critical of the UK, saying that it had not implemented effective alcohol control policies.

The UK is about to introduce legislation allowing 24-hour drinking from later this year. “

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4232703.stm

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I suppose what it all comes down to is opinion...and when something like this happens, it infringes on an individual's rights.  Yes, I am a smoker and would like to quit, but..it is difficult to do so.  Let me say, that I hope I am always a courteous smoker so that it never offends someone, unless of course, that someone is being annal, by walking by and simply being disguested by the smell of my cigerrette, to me...that person has a control problem, or the media and government and people have caused them so much duress and fear over somthing this is yes, bad for you, but not nearly as bad as the consuptions of others things which society ingests every single day.  Chemicals to me, are the killer...drugs second nature, and drinking but the effects of all those nuclear tests back in the 40's are still present.  Not one scientist can predict how long a chemical stays in the ground once it is there.  
Do you own a deck?  I suggest you think about the toxins in every piece of wood that holds your deck together...when it rains, those toxins are slowly washed into the ground waters, streams, rivers and oceans.  

You have no idea...all over the poconos, everyone wants a crystal clear lake...they hire chemical companies to come in and treat those lakes....telling you, they are safe to swim in...and you cannot imagine the amount of fish floating dead on the surface after each treatment...SAFE?  I think not...not to mention, this to, is washing into the ground waters...adding, the Poconos in PA is a very large parcel of land...there are no sewage treatment plants...and all that stuff is washing into the ground...you should see how close the septic tanks are to everyones drinking wells...it's absolutely a disgrace!

And so...you decide...which is worse...smoking is most certainly a contributor...but, it is used as a smoke screen and blamed for a large amount of deaths due to cancers...think about it for once, do you see a rise in cancerous brain tumors?  How many of them smoke...believe me...there are less and less smokers every year..which is a good thing...but smokers are not the cause of all cancers and brain tumors, and somewhere along the way, someone better wake up...b/c we are ruining our home and natural resources. 2nd hand smoke???  Shhhheeessshhhh!  This to me, is an insult to intellegence....

 
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