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Tim
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25 posted 01-20-2005 11:21 PM       View Profile for Tim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tim

It is a difficult concept to differentiate between respect for a position or ideal and respect for an individual.  At least ways it would appear.

Most generally, the most disrespectful are those who complain the quickest and loudest when they perceive disrespect against themselves personally or someone they believe holds a position similar to theirs.

The most obvious example would be gang members who have little respect for societal norms or anyone or anything outside of their turf.  Yet, disrespect is the centerpiece of their code.

You then go to the political extremes.  You can do or say anything you want against someone who holds a political position contrary to yours with the truth not being a factor.  Yet, if someone were to make the same claims against someone who holds the same political persuasion, personal offense is taken.

You earn your respect as an individual, and if you show disrepect for another, or a position, then you yourself are unworthy of respect.  It matters not whether you be conservative or liberal.  (I have to admit the new label "progressive" is somewhat disingenous to me, so I apologize for not being politically correct)  

In any event Ali, I suspect the overwhelming majority of people hold views similar to yours, but because of that very fact, they are not vocal.

The ironic fact is those who make the disrespectful and accusatory claims only weaken their position contrary to their view they are making a bold statement.  Those who showed disrepect to the Presidency today were seen by those who do respect the institution of the Presidency and those individuals shouting obscenities and throwing items only strengthened the Presidency in the eyes of those observing.
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26 posted 01-20-2005 11:30 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Well spoken, Tim. I couldn't agree more.
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27 posted 01-20-2005 11:52 PM       View Profile for Not A Poet   Email Not A Poet   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Not A Poet's Home Page   View IP for Not A Poet

Well Tim, it seems that even the liberals are now beginning to see "liberal" as a dirty word. It is not unusual for them to change the wording to make everything sound much better than it truly is. I think the term for that is "newspeak," if I remember 1984 right.
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28 posted 01-21-2005 06:07 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

The irony, oh, the irony!
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29 posted 01-21-2005 09:30 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Tim, I need to retain you for writing some of the thoughts to which I'm less articulate.   Very well said.  To the younguns I offended, I do apologize.  That remark was based on observational experience in Life, not just through protests.  As for protests, the quiet peacable protests rarely get airtime.  It's the rowdy, noisy, antagonistic and minority ones that get noticed.  And before any more semantical nitpicking ensues, minority is not racial, only in comparison to majority.  Yes, there may be thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands protesting something.  By and large they are civil and peacable.  It's the minority of those groups (again related to size) which delight in bruhahas, which I can't help but think tarnishes the peacable protest message.

Anyhow, that day is done.  The guest of honor was honored with very little incident, which is always good.
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30 posted 01-21-2005 09:56 AM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

Tim, well said, to join the chorus.

And Ali--"Treat lessers as equals, equals as superiors, and superiors like kings."

I was raised the same way, because I was raised well!

Oh, make me Thine forever
And should I fainting be
Lord, let me never ever
Outlive my love for Thee

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   As I mentioned earlier, respect is given. No one earns respect.  If some one must earn respect than the poeple who you must earn respect from, have problems. As I said, and has been resaid by others, this contry was built on protesting. The most effective way to achieve your message is through positive and constructive protesting, like MLK did. The hole earning respect thing is not what classy poeple do.  I will quote a clich'e To match this other clich'e "Two wrongs dont make a right.

Juju

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The dictionary never lies.... I am magical (;

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32 posted 01-21-2005 11:47 AM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

Juju...I disagree

Upon meeting someone new...especially in these days...isn't it wise to be a little cautious...until you both earn each other's respect...no expectations other then to maintain a care and concern for each other...which builds in time...and I'm talking about women to...as it has been my experience, that I've met some very shady characters...???????  

New neighbors moving in, new friends at work, etc....and please don't think I'm suggesting everyone is awful...they're not...but I have met some very dishonest people...with which I took my time getting to know...as when your burned, you learn to be cautious.  

So yeah, respect can be earned, given and received....and should be....and if one doesn't respect themselves, they will never respect others...

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33 posted 01-21-2005 12:35 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

My friend,

I am not saying you have to like someone. I am not sayting you have to trust poeple you don't know. I am saying treat with respect. When I am saying treating some one with respect I am talking about treating some one with dignity. Now Yes I have said earlier that there is a little few that I don't respect personally. That is because they did something that repulsed me by doing something extreemly taboo. Even then, I treat them with respect.  I don't respect them personaly, but I give them dignity.

Treating someone with respect is different then personally respecting. I maybe I should of more clarified what I meant. I thought we were talking about treating poeple with respect.



Juju

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34 posted 01-21-2005 12:56 PM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

Juju

Your absolutely right!  I looked it up and what I found was this.....and all issues on treating others with respect, are the same as your example...

You've taught me something today..thank you


Maybe we can respect ourselves, our parents and authorities, but is that all? No, God wants us to respect all people. In 1 Peter 2:17, God’s Word says ‘Show proper respect to everyone’. We learned earlier that God has a plan for everyone and that is something we can respect. We do not have to agree with someone to respect them. You may not even like the things they do, but you can still treat them with dignity and courtesy. One of the quickest ways to get in trouble in our dojo is to ‘make fun’ of someone or call someone a name. When you do that, you are being disrespectful and you are hurting someone that Gods loves.

What would you do if I gave you a special gold coin that whenever you give it away, you get two more back. The more you tried to give them away, the more you got. Respect is like that. When you respect others, you get respect back twofold. Not only are you likely to be respected by the person you respect, but you will be respected by others who see you showing respect. On the other hand, being disrespectful shows a weakness of character that no one will respect.

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35 posted 01-21-2005 07:11 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel



Picture from the protest!



I am featured in the white circle.

I carried a 12' by 16' canvas panel which read a quote by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., "Nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time; the need for mankind to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to oppression and violence. Mankind must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love."

:roll:

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


"You'll find something that's enough to keep you
But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20
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36 posted 01-21-2005 07:16 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi


Noah,

Shouldn’t it be above your head?
Mistletoe Angel
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37 posted 01-21-2005 07:34 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel



John, I'm glad you thought that!

I ran out of cardboard, so I basically just had to think fast and improvise! So I basically brushed a spare canvas panel with a yellow Crayola crayon, had some colored Sharpie markers and glitter gel pens aptly laid before me, and I designed in bold letters the message.

Unfortunately 12 by 16 inches just isn't that big, so it's not one of those signs a passenger in an automobile could glimpse and say, "Ah, yeaaaahhhhh!" and honk the horn in cheer, or boo at you. Nevertheless, there were so many people out shopping and all, so I got between 60-125, "Can I see your sign?" responses.

All in all, it was good enough for me. Next time I'll be sure to have cardboard on me so I can write in a larger size and font. Ah well, it happens, no hurt feelings! (giggles)



Love,
Noah Eaton

"You'll find something that's enough to keep you
But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

 
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