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~DreamChild~
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0 posted 12-08-2004 02:25 PM       View Profile for ~DreamChild~   Email ~DreamChild~   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ~DreamChild~

you know what's ignorant?

unwavering standards of right and wrong.

self-righteousness leaves very little room for understanding.
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1 posted 12-08-2004 02:46 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

quote:
Respect and Tolerance
The underlying philosophy of Passions is one of Respect and Tolerance. Writers are a diverse group. And, very often, they are also a very opinionated group. We welcome opinions, and we thrive on diversity, seeing both as tools for growth.

Obviously, you're not going to agree with everything you find written at Passions. We consider that a good thing. How you express your disagreement, however, can too easily become a bad thing. Arguing against a concept or idea, even vehemently, is a good thing. Attacking the supporters of that concept or idea is a bad thing (even if the attack is subtle and indirect). Asking others to listen to your viewpoints and consider your arguments is a good thing. Refusing to listen to the viewpoints and arguments of others, simply because they contradict your own beliefs, is a bad thing. Conveying positive emotions (this is what X does for me) is a good thing. Conveying negative emotions can also be a good thing, but all too often becomes a bad thing (I hate Y).

Respect and Tolerance are simple words to say, but not always simple to live. It's not easy to respect a person that represents the antithesis of your value system. It's not easy to tolerate something you strongly feel will lead to disaster and hurt. But everything another person says, does, and believes is the result of their individual history. People who do bad things (by our own definitions) aren't always bad people. Sometimes they are just misguided (by our own definitions). And sometimes (hard as this is to believe), they aren't bad or misguided at all, and it is our own definitions that need to be reevaluated.

We can only learn and grow through understanding. And understanding is the real key to respect and tolerance.

Excerpt from PiP's guidelines...with emphasis added.

What you adhere to, DC, in my humble opinion, would only create chaos, and, as this is Ron's home, and it is he who has given us all keys to visit, it behooves us to follow his rules, regs, guidelines...with courtesy by all.


Larry C
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2 posted 12-08-2004 04:54 PM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

Well DC some things are negotiable and some things are not.

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

~DreamChild~
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3 posted 12-08-2004 05:02 PM       View Profile for ~DreamChild~   Email ~DreamChild~   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ~DreamChild~

ahh yes , understanding...
hmmm...
Larry C
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4 posted 12-08-2004 05:17 PM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

You have the disadvantage of only being 22. But time will take care of that too. Sorry.

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

~DreamChild~
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5 posted 12-08-2004 06:22 PM       View Profile for ~DreamChild~   Email ~DreamChild~   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ~DreamChild~

true larry c. thanks!
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6 posted 12-08-2004 06:41 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

unwavering standards of right and wrong.

self-righteousness leaves very little room for understanding.

**

Since when does UNwavering standards lead to self-righteousness?
~DreamChild~
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7 posted 12-08-2004 07:23 PM       View Profile for ~DreamChild~   Email ~DreamChild~   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ~DreamChild~

adhering to a decided belief system
will close ones mind off.

this is self rigtheousness:
judging me by your standards.

Huan Yi
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8 posted 12-08-2004 07:27 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

"this is self rigtheousness:
judging me by your standards."


"Yah, don't cramp my style."

Adolph Hitler
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9 posted 12-08-2004 07:31 PM       View Profile for GG   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for GG

When I meet the man who stole my car
I call him a thief.
Not only that,
but I consider theft to be bad.

So call me self-righteous.
I really don't care.
~DreamChild~
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10 posted 12-08-2004 07:39 PM       View Profile for ~DreamChild~   Email ~DreamChild~   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ~DreamChild~

i've stolen before.
doesn't make me a thief.
have you ever stolen anything?
or lied just a little white lie?
if so, are you a thief, or liar?


"judge not, lest ye be judged."


Larry C
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11 posted 12-08-2004 07:40 PM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

I rest my case...

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

GG
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12 posted 12-08-2004 07:43 PM       View Profile for GG   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for GG

...as do I.
~DreamChild~
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13 posted 12-08-2004 07:48 PM       View Profile for ~DreamChild~   Email ~DreamChild~   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ~DreamChild~

judgement for the defendant.
Larry C
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14 posted 12-08-2004 07:55 PM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

If only it were that easy...

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

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15 posted 12-08-2004 07:59 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

I do not judge. That's for a higher power. I accept you the way you are....I don't have to like what you do...but I accept you. And I don't have to BE like you...
~DreamChild~
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16 posted 12-08-2004 08:19 PM       View Profile for ~DreamChild~   Email ~DreamChild~   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ~DreamChild~

thank you poet devine.
RSWells
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17 posted 12-08-2004 09:32 PM       View Profile for RSWells   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for RSWells

I'm still waiting for your sestina in response to the one I posted with which you obviously took issue;
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum91/HTML/001284.html


en franšais it is pronounced ew-mill-ee-tay
Brad
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18 posted 12-09-2004 10:35 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

It's not absolutes that's the problem.

It's not knowing what is right and what is wrong. Anything less is, well, wrong.
~DreamChild~
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19 posted 12-09-2004 10:44 AM       View Profile for ~DreamChild~   Email ~DreamChild~   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ~DreamChild~

there is the difference between innocense and guilt.
 
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