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Video Game - JFK Reloaded - Grrrr! This Time They Went Too Far

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0 posted 11-23-2004 09:49 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

http://slate.msn.com/id/2110034/

I am absolutely appalled at this!  The timing of the release of this game alone is an insult.  I plan to make sure it is not sold here that is for sure, if it is a shelf item.

It appears people can buy this by downloading it from the internet for under $10.00, a very small price to pay for giving up your integrity and dignity, if you ask me.

I would be curious to know what Americans feel about this new game.  Myself, I am outraged.  This is the entry to that game, and it has a warning on it parents should be aware of.

  http://www.jfk-reloaded.com/

If you have time, please DO send them your feedback, I sure sent them mine.
http://www.jfk-reloaded.com/feedback/
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It is an abomination, period.

I hope everyone who believes that murder is wrong, sends in a comment.

We are giving our children so many wrong messages.

It has got to stop, now.
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2 posted 11-23-2004 10:23 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

I already sent them my feedback as well.
It's disgusting and unconscionable, and I hope millions will protest this, and force them remove it from the marketplace.
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3 posted 11-23-2004 10:24 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/local_news/?ArID=79883&SecID=2

Please listen to the video if you have the time.  Here is a link to ABC News as well for you: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=277025

If anyone could help find the company and email the info to me I would sure appreciate it.  They are a Glasgow-based firm called, Traffic 2004.  Can't find a registration for them anywhere so far, just a spokesperson called, Kirk Ewing.
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4 posted 11-24-2004 12:38 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I agree completely, Sharon. It's a despicable way to try to make a few pounds, or euros, or whatever. No class at all.....
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5 posted 11-24-2004 12:54 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

A new low for FPS {First Person Shooter} games.  This tidbit almost proved too hard to swallow: Disclaimer
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Ali, the disclaimers are topped only by their service and support by the way, did you see that?  Having read all the legal stuff, I started writing every person who announced this game I could find on the internet trying to find how to reach the inventor of this game or an address at least.  You can bet the emails go to the ozone layer.  Know what I hate most, this actually shows on their site in the rules of playing their competition under "Entering Is Simple" ...
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Your competition-entry run will start, so concentrate, and think like a sniper!

http://www.jfk-reloaded.com/competition/

They claim this is educational?  Nice try!  There has to be a way to finally say, "Enough!"
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There is nothing educational about this game.  It's pure sensationalism of the lowest caliber.  It should be squelched immediately and the company should be put out of business.
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Doesn't this free speech stuff really suck? I mean, if you want the right to condemn it you ultimately leave yourself very little left to condemn?

Still, we do have every right to call it the tasteless trash it is. And if we raise enough of a stink? Sales of the game will probably go right through the roof.
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The new hunt-from-your-chair program someone is marketing is just as disgusting. How can we expect anything remotely close to fairness and peace in this world when we condone or promote such things? Ignoring it is tantamount to condoning it, so it's time for averyone to be more proactive against these mindless gutless forms of 'entertainment'
My internet services will end today for a short period of time, while I switch from high speed high-cost DSL to a cheaper dialup service. But rest assured, I'm protesting games like this as often as I can.
Thank you Sharon, for voicing your outrage, and then doing something about it.
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quote:
And if we raise enough of a stink? Sales of the game will probably go right through the roof.
sadly, this was one of my first thoughts...
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12 posted 11-24-2004 01:31 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Our hands are tied.

This is utterly despicable, and even the THOUGHT of designing a game like this is disturbing to me.

But, as I grimace through my lips at this dirty concept, I do believe in the freedom of speech and must accept there are many who love to play those violent video games out there, as well as there may be those who agree with the one who made this game.

Again, I bring back the Noam Chomsky philosophy of respecting freedom of speech in its fullest form; even if someone has the gall to say there were no concentration camps or gas chambers in World War II, which that argument truly is utterly ridiculous, we must respect and give them their three feet of space to say what they want.

Nevertheless, I am troubled and fear that's just might what happen; sales will skyrocket because controversy always seems to fame and we live in a culture obsessed with violence as it is.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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I realize giving these roaches any time at all could be another dollar of curiousty in their pocket, but maybe just this one time, if enough people complained they will not have overflowing pockets.  Maybe this one time a message could be sent that people are concerned and do care about what their kids play and do in their spare time. I would rather give them some negative attention than sit idly by and see them put out a  "Reloaded Luther", or whatever other tradegy makes them a dollar, hiding behind the use of the word education.  I can dream too.

Thank you Richard - really appreciate that.  With an ISP at least I can try to voice my free speech about them being on the internet.  Sure, there are two sides to everything, that is the beauty of this free speech - may the loudest voice be heard then?

Happy Thanksgiving everyone - now enjoy that turkey, while I try to go hunt one down!  What a year here at Ron's house, even some new babies to be thankful for.  We are all so blessed.  
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Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, but empty without responsibility of speech.  And there are consequences for everything.  Some good, some bad, some neutral, but always a consequence for every action, including speech.  The makers of that 'educational game' [sic] have the total freedom to express their views, however heinous, but must also deal with the consequences of their collective actions.  And trust me, they will, just as we all do.
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15 posted 11-24-2004 02:28 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Yes, I agree that this can be quite consequential.

And that's exactly where responsibility comes in; you should always know before promoting something like this on a wide scale what you'll be running up against.

Sincerely,
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You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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i'm curious though - what makes this different from any other video game (and we all know there's no shortage) where the player kills others? take away the implications of aliens and zombies ("Dead men feel no pain...") and look at the ones where you're killing people... whether in war, as a sniper, or acting as a criminal (ie: GTA)... or anything else that allows the quasi-thrill of power sans literal repercussions. again - how is this different?
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It's only different in that the characters portrayed have real emotional significance to our country and to the world.  Those producing the game probably weren't even alive at the time.  They may not have any real feelings about it.

It's too bad that their internet hosts don't veto its distribution.  

Also - What happened to the rumor that it was being offered by a British site if Richard has uncovered a Colorado source?
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Also - I don't feel the "other" games mentioned by Christopher are healthy for people to be playing either.  That's just MHO... which certainly holds little or no weight in the big picture...
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4039461.stm


Seems to work.
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The ISP listed above is where the game's website is hosted.  The very least I could try was to write them a formal letter of complaint about how I felt about them supporting the distribution of this game via the web hosting business they are providing this company, and inform as many other companies who use their company for their business sites exactly what type of a company I thought they had associated their site with, showing them a link to this game there.    I was shocked it was an American based company supplying the space to this game company.  Yes, at the risk some would buy it even, as I  was hoping humanity had advanced far enough to see this was truly a distasteful game.

In answer to Chris, NO game teaching violence is a good game in a time when violence surrounds people on the streets where they live with their children.  For many, staying alive becomes a game all to real on a daily basis, and I thank God every day I am not in their shoes.  It is up to every parent to take on the responsibility to ensure they monitor what their children read, watch, play, and whom they associate with, but unfortunately oftentimes this doesn’t happen.

I truly wish I were more eloquent and educated to express myself more clearly and that is why I posted this in the Alley rather than anywhere else.  I feel extremely passionate about having this particular game boycotted, as it will surely set a precedent of more games to come of this nature.   More "history-event-theme-based" games could emerge all in the name of “education.”  What next - recreating Diana's tragedy, the death of Martin Luther King? What ever happened to leaving this to history books?  Do you think if this game were about a drive-by shooting it would be getting this much airtime?  They went too far by using actual historical figures.  Boycotting does works more than complaining for sure, a proven fact, but so does exercising your right to speak and finding the right ear to listen.

That same site John listed above has a ton of opinions about this issue on a separate link, but until people follow through and voice their concerns to the right party, what they say it is all for moot.  

I have been told I tend to search for problems to solve, when there was no problem there, or that I try to fix things that were fine to begin with.  Well to those people I say one thing, “At least I do something, and the only reason is I care!”  I don't think I blew something out of proportion here at all, this game in my opinion is sensationalism at its disgusting worst because of the time its inventor chose to market it, the very characters used in this particular game, and the offering of a large cash prize on top of it all to entice its use of violence period.  I would suspect the inventor was not even born when John Fitzgerald Kennedy was alive.

I didn’t mean to make this appear blown out of proportion, and will go back to fighting my own little war for JFK’s memory my own way.  Thanks for letting me rant though.
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Ron, my husband agrees with you.

Sharon....you know how I feel already.  It is TRASH.  The two K ladies said it very well, too!  

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYBODY!
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1st - let me state that I think that this game is trash.

2nd - in regards to those that question the difference between this game and other FPS war games.  It is simple, the other games on the market, (I play extensive amounts of FPS games) that use history to help merit the marketing of the, do not look to recreate the actual events but rather market a plot that is tied to events.  JFK FPS does not focus on a type of event, but rather the recreate of this specific assassination.  It does not allow you to operate outside the elements of the assassination.  Does it make one right or the other wrong.  I cannot say, because I enjoy flying old war planes, being the captain of warboats, firing antique weapons, etc.  I do not condon the events that occured in that war by playing the game, but rather get a historical satisfaction by involving myself in history.

This game is tasteless, but for someone that seperates gaming from reality.  Its hard not to try and justify my actions.

On some level this is hypocritical of me.  Yet, I disagree with this game.
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'a historical satisfaction by involving myself in history.'

Really? Why not read a history book then? Don't lie to us- you like shooting games because they're fun. I do too- mind you, I suck at them... but GTA was really fun, because it was an immersion in a ridiculous fantasy. I used to love the james bond game for nintendo 64... it's fun when it's fantasy. (I don't have any particular aversion to violent games... maybe because i grew up in a culture of violence and think we need a lighthearted outlet? I dunno...)

I think the difference of this game is that a) the object of assassination in this game still has family and loved ones. Can you imagine knowing somebody who was brutally murdered, and then having to see it recreated so people can have some vicarious fun killing your loved one? b) It is the sale of a heinous event. It's pretty innappropriate, if you ask me.

The best part is that the game is supposedly educational, and yet: 'Any Traffic game that is based on real-world events is only representational and not an accurate depiction of real-world events.'

Apparently we're being educated about an innaccurate version of events.
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"Don't lie to us- you like shooting games because they're fun."

Hmmm, a bit presumptuous of you, but I shall over look the personal infliction.  I never once said the "only" reason I play FPS is because of some historical purpose.  I said it was to "get a historical satisfaction by involving myself in history."  Whether you choose to believe me or not, I do like subjecting myself to historical pretensed games.  I don't care to examine the accuracy of the story line in comparison to actual history, but find it "fun" to simulate a historical involvement rather than "read" it.  A book to you might be a game for me.  Next time you decide to classify me as a liar come with better proof, it might just offend someone otherwise.

PS - Fun is a word with a general meaning, example - examining the entrails of a human could be fun for a serial killer with psychological conditions, but to you is just a form of sick expression.

I am not condoning these activities.
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