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Rowley
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0 posted 11-11-2004 08:56 PM       View Profile for Rowley   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Rowley


How courageous!
Fighting an illegal foreign invasion and brutal occupation of their native country from the super power of the world.
True Patriots.

Respect!
Don't give in.
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1 posted 11-11-2004 09:11 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

How sad. For I believe both sides are losing far more than they can ever gain, and on both sides of this, there are imagined wrongs and rights as well as real injustices being perpetrated, especially on innocents who get caught in the middle.
Don't expect any passionate welcome wagon visit from anyone in here.
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2 posted 11-11-2004 11:21 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

Oh yes, particularly given the paradise they had before
and are fighting so desperately to return to.  And wish
them luck killing all the Iraqi men women and children traitors
who don’t share their view.

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I'm not cheering either.

In wars like this, both sides are losers. The Iraqis have lost over 100,000 of their own citizens, and we have lost over 1,100 of ours. Plus many other nations in the coalition have their own losses.

And, in result, the citizens of Iraq spend each day dwelling in fear and panic, vulnerable to the war, with talks of division already happening in the southern provinces of Basra, while America is only digging itself deeper into this huge mess and damaging relations with much of the rest of the world and inciting further resentment.

I am not one who will think unilaterally when it comes to working for peace and non-violent strategies. I believe it all must be talked out bi-laterally and orderly.

I am personally saddened reading this.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

"You'll find something that's enough to keep you
But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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Yes, let’s pray they’re able to bring back the good
old days when an ambitious man could get a good
government job and career as a professional rapist.
Oh for those years when you could legally leave a woman’s
head on the street in front of her family’s house.
When you could watch a man dissolve alive in a bath
of acid.  In Paradise there’s only seventy virgins,
under Saddam you could have thousands.  
Oh I know there’s beheading, but it’s
not the same as when there was the good life
to go with it.  A hundred thousand?  A million
is worth bringing back that lost Eden.
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Won't find any cheers for tragedy on this website.

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

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6 posted 11-12-2004 01:03 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Rowley is, however, fully allowed to express his views, and it is my sincere hope that those who may disagree with it do so in a respectful manner.

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7 posted 11-12-2004 01:12 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

You're right, Alicat, you absolutely are.

However, Rowley must understand also that in sayings things like this, many are finding this hard to digest and he can barely expect any agreement from most, and may have difficulty being welcomed here.

Rowley, we respect each individual's right to freedom of speech and you are free to express your views, but please also realize saying something like this won't win over many either. Just some advice and trying to help you out.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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However, when you chose a peripheral position and state it without candy coating then responses will likely not be candy coated either. I would, however, never argue the right of free speech. Nor would I ever chose to be disrespectful. Alicat it's obvious why you are qualified to moderate. It is an appropriate reminder. Thanks.

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.
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Rowley:

One question and one comment:

1. What made the invasion illegal?  There is certainly precedent above and beyond WMD to justify removing a tyrant from power (goes all the way back to the 17th century, if I'm not mistaken).

2. You make an interesting point - certainly we ought not forget that evil men are capable of courage.  While we're lauding their courage, why don't we send a "shout out" to the Iraqi insurgents' valiant Chechnyan cousins who reached deep to find the courage to slaughter school children.

I agree with Alicat that you are certainly entitled to your views, but if you want to air them in the agora, I hope you take us beyond empty rhetoric.

Jim
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10 posted 11-13-2004 01:20 PM       View Profile for Rowley   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Rowley

Hi everybody, sorry. I apologize if I have offended anybody here. The replies I have received have been very compassionate, may peace be upon you all.
Occupation breeds resistance.
I depend on the Iraq resistance. After all, if there were no Iraqi resistance the US government would be bombing and invading Iran by now and so on. The resistance in Iraq is saving lives.  
The war on terror is a war of aggression that has created more resentment and danger towards my country. Do we here in the US not expect any retaliation in our future for what our government has done in Iraq?
I do fear that Al Sistani staying silent during this brutal aggression against Fallujah will create a barrier between the Sunni and Shia. His silence is very unfortunate because the Sunni's are seeing his silence as collaboration with the occupation forces. That will not go over very well in Iraq's future.

Jim, the invasion of Iraq has been declared "illegal" (and against the U.N. Charter) by Kofi Annan.

I would recommend watching this documentary to get a glimpse of what its like inside of Iraq. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1042.htm

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Rowley, thank you for the video link. I wish this reply had been incorporated within your original post. Your reception might have been better. I happen to agree, this war is an illegal invasion by the US, and the current situation endangers everyone, the resistance, the military, the whole world. For the polarization and hatred against Americans and Israelis is being fed by this disaster.
I feel very badly for the Iraqui people shown in this video, and also, for Americans and foreigners that are being executed.
This type of video is not what the major US media or the government want anyone to see, as you cannot watch it without feeling a strong sympathy for the resistance, which is growing daily. But I won't stand and wave anyone's flag on either side. The whole of humanity is suffering from this, far more than some who voted for Bush want to admit. Don't count on many welcoming your POV, though in part, I do agree, people who stand up and fight for their rights are to honored.  
Having said that, I know I will get some flack from a handful of people at Pips, but so be it. I'm not the one being shot at, this time, though I lived in the Middle East for a year and remember the sound of the Katyusha rockets, and saw a bus blowup as the one I was on left the Tel Aviv bus terminal.
May everyone's personal Allah protect his/her family, and may we find a way to end this horrid conflict.  
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12 posted 11-13-2004 07:10 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

"far more than some who voted for Bush want to admit."

We can speak for ourselves, Kacey, thanks.
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LOL, of course YOU can and do, Mike.
Me too.
Huan Yi
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14 posted 11-13-2004 11:43 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

I begin to see the light
and grieve as Rowley must
that so few Americans have been
so far killed which can only encourage
and prolong their activity.


[This message has been edited by Huan Yi (11-14-2004 02:06 AM).]

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Well, by golly, if Kofi Annan has declared something illegal, then it must be so!
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­The signature of who ever signed the original charter-document (As a representative of the United States) is a swearing of allegiance , and a promise to honor, by following the rules and conditions of the United Nations Security Council..

That, or those signatures, state agreement with its (the U.N.S.C.) procedures and wording...

The words on the documents prove the illegality of the invasion....

Annan is only a talking head, that spoke for the document..

Peace-----------ice
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I suggest that those who oppose the U.N. make appeal for our withdrawal from that organization, especially if they feel that we need to continue disobeying the rules we agreed to follow when we signed our names...
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Oh, I have, ice, and I will continue to do so.

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18 posted 11-14-2004 08:47 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

ice,

“I suggest that those who oppose the U.N. make appeal for our withdrawal from that organization, especially if they feel that we need to continue disobeying the rules we agreed to follow when we signed our names...”

As should our betters the French
who didn’t bother regarding the Ivory Coast

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Before you shake hands with an American, be sure to ask who they voted for!
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Your intelligence shines in your last message..as does your credibility.
Huan Yi
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21 posted 11-17-2004 12:32 AM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi


"How courageous!"


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4018335.stm


"True Patriots.

Respect!
Don't give in."
jbouder
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22 posted 11-19-2004 01:12 PM       View Profile for jbouder   Email jbouder   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jbouder

Rowley:

You wrote:

quote:
Jim, the invasion of Iraq has been declared "illegal" (and against the U.N. Charter) by Kofi Annan.


Just curious about whether this causes you to rethink your position on Kofi Annan's declaration.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041119/wl_afp/un_annan_041119115027

Assuming the Secretary General has the unilateral authority to declare a national action "illegal" (which he does not, by the way - this requires a UN resolution, unless I'm mistaken), does Kofi Annan's apparent propensity for corruption impugn the veracity of his claims?

Jim
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23 posted 11-19-2004 07:24 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

Noah,

“The Iraqis have lost over 100,000 of their own citizens, “

Where did you get this estimate.  I just heard on the News Hour
with Jim Lehrer that estimates of Iraqi deaths both military
and civilian since the war began are 20,000.


John
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Iraq Body Count:
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/
 
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