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0 posted 11-10-2004 08:02 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

I think it is important we touch on a sensitive issue which hasn't been discussed yet; the rumor of a mandatory draft surfacing possibly as early as next year, which has created widespread fear among young Americans.

Is it inevitable in your mind?

House Resolution 163, a bill proposed by two Democratic house members Charles B. Rangel and John Conyers Jr, was crushed 402-2, which would force all men and women ages 18-26 to serve a two-year rotation in a military or civilian capacity beginning March 31, 2005.

However, with recruitment low and forces arguably "overextended", plus the possible prospect of a war beginning in Iran or North Korea in the near future, being part of the Bush Administration's "Axis of Evil", a draft is highly likely.

Will there be a draft for certain, and if there will be, could this be political suicide for Bush and his administration, considering the already split-even opinion of the war in Iraq, 56% believing America is heading in the wrong direction, what this could mean for the economy, etc.

I feel despite what Bush and Rumsfeld has said, with the increasing tension in Iraq, particularly with the assault on Falluja, I'm close to saying it WILL happen and I already know what I'm prepared to do in result!

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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1 posted 11-10-2004 08:22 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Taking French lessons,  Noah?
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Why not simply withdraw from NATO
and let the French and Germans
protect Europe from each other?

That would save some troops for other things.

John

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I've long held that we bring our forces back from the old European theater, since the Old Enemy fell in the late 80's.  Almost 20 years when American forces took the place of Western Europe's forces.  France spends a very low percentage of their GNP on military, due to our presence which they hate for political reasons and love for economic ones.  Already, with the proposed change in American armed forces in France and Germany, both those nations, which opposed inforcement of the UN decree that Iraq dismantle their military and cooperate with inspectors, or face the consequences, are a bit distressed and making overtures to keep the despised American military presence intact in those countries so that they won't have to fund their own military.  Small wonder France could afford socialized medicine.  They didn't have to foot the bill for their own national security.

All that draft hoopla was a DNC scare tactic to convince voters and prospective voters, in the target age group, to vote for Kerry, the DNC default candidate.  And yes, default.  Far less voted 'for Kerry' than they did 'against Bush'.  And those two Democratic Representatives were in cahoots with the DNC to ensure this topic got national attention and appropriate spin from the predominately left-leaning media, anti-Bush 527's, and affiliated websites.  I'm awful with names, but one of those two didn't even vote FOR 163.  Scare tactic, pure and simple.

All branches, with the exception of National Guard, have met or exceeded their projected quotas.  National Guard rarely meets their quota during times of recovery and prosperity.

Although I prefer and have faith in our all-volunteer military, I would be in favor of a mandatory 2-year stint, conflict or not.  I have seen first hand how the GI college bill can help someone afford a college education.  My older brother, first from patriotism, second from our family heritage, and thirdly for opportunities, got his Electrical Engineering degree from Texas Tech with the GI bill, after serving 5 years and retiring a Sergeant, and is currently either a GS-13 or GS-14, earning an easy $75k USD in Japan, a place he dearly loves.  At 6'3", he has no problem seeing things.  

Afterthought:

Not sure how old you are, Noah, but I do wonder if you've registered with Selective Service or not, or if you plan to if you aren't already 18 or older.  It is Federal Law, though I reckon you could protest that as well, if'n you wanna.
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Noah, don't you have studying or something to do besides worrying. If the draft comes back (I don't see it happening) you can either be a MAN and stand up for your country or run to Canada! Now that's simple so stop worrying and do your homework!
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There should be a draft.
A mercenary army is a dangerous thing.  A "volunteer" army is not far from it.
Every citizen has a responsibility to serve his/her country.
Just a humble opinion from one has served, voluntarily, and think everyone else should too.
There should be service options, as some do not belong in an armed service.
If you can't handle serving your country, perhaps you don't deserve one.
11/11 is not a good day to suggest to those who served, that some folks don't need to be so obliged.
And if you haven't guessed it already, this is a sore spot with me.
Grrrrrr
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6 posted 11-11-2004 08:39 AM       View Profile for ice   Email ice   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ice

Noah
Do not be bullied by the remarks that have been shot at you in replies to this thread....

It seems that you wanted to open a dialog on the subject of the draft, but have only received comments, for the most part, from those who seemingly feel that war resistance is an act of cowardice...

"Taking French lessons,  Noah"

And direct insults to your subjects worth...

"Noah, don't you have studying or something to do besides worrying. If the draft comes back (I don't see it happening) you can either be a MAN and stand up for your country or run to Canada! Now that's simple so stop worrying and do your homework!"

Only one has addressed the issue that you brought up ..

"There should be a draft.
A mercenary army is a dangerous thing.  A "volunteer" army is not far from it."
Even though this reply ends in a  "grrrrr" it is still on subject.

Anyway...my reply to your subject is...
As long as government officials shy away from diplomacy to settle arguments and hire Madison Avenue types to pull in recruits, we will not have a draft...

As long as economic conditions are the way they are, we will always have enough volunteers for military service..they will sign up, as many do now, to escape poverty....

I do believe in a draft of sorts, a draft that allows the draftee to volunteer to serve America in different ways....to be able to choose between military and civil service..  

My humble opinions
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Whatever happens, follow your conscience.

That's being a MAN.

Anything else is, well, less.
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I once saw two FBI agents come into a small town high school in middle America and arrest a young man right out of Senior English.  Although his religous affiliations would have prevented him from ever serving in the army, as a matter of principle, he refused to register.  

He served four years in Federal prison.

A close friend, a member of the same church volunteered for the army, went to Ft. Leonard Wood and on to Viet Nam.  He was almost shunned by members of the church and in fact his family left the church because of the controversy.

A third went on to a local church college and mistakenly wrote a paper contrary to the pacifist views of the faculty.  He flunked out of college and drafted into the Marines.  I suspect Ron could tell everyone that in that period, the one thing in the world you did not want to be was a draftee in the Marines.

All three survived and all three made their choices.  They even still communicate, but they all had hard lessons to learn from their decisions.  That is life.

Ain't going to be no draft Noah. Live your life, just be willing to accept there are consequences for any action one takes in life.

A draft would help the country as far as making young people grow up and face responsibilities.  I remember a young man from many years ago that learned his in a different fashion.  I am not in a position to say any of the three was wrong.  Bottom line is that there is not going to be a draft.

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And isn't it just amazing that you don't have stories about people who died?

Or do you?
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Noah has every right to ask a question, open a discussion, or for that matter "worry" if he wants to. Where does anyone get the right to tell him otherwise? During the past months of the election, others have come in here and posted their strong political points of view. Did I miss where they got told to go to their room and do their homework?
Noah has proven to be quite well informed and has conducted himself with far more tact, respect and compassion for other's opinions in these politcal discussions than many of the so called adults. Its an insult to talk down to him like hes a child. Freedom of speech applies to all...even if the voice doesnt speak from the side of the fence you sit on.


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Whatever happens, follow your conscience.

That's being a MAN.



AMEN.

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Noah, again I appreciate you for offering up some important food for fodder.  As a Canadian, I saw the repercussions of the last draft up here, and heard what many a young man thought about it when I was young.  My Mom took in draft dodgers as did a lot of people at that time.  Some had been to Viet Nam, some had not, but all had one thing in common and didn’t believe in killing.  That stuck with me unfortunately, and although I am against doing anything to anyone against his or her wishes, in the case of the United States of America I can say the following from "my point of view only."  If the US continues to enter into wars even when not invited to stop terrorism, and represents itself as one of the biggest armed forces, then it has to stand behind what it says, and that takes a lot of prepared man/woman power.    

I read a speech by George Bush talking about the military actually that made me understand why a draft could indeed become necessary again one day, and finally understood his point of view on the subject.  This was the first time I could rationalize a draft at all in my life by the way.  I also still think a modified one would suffice and give those that are opposed for personal reason a way out.  (I know this opens a whole discussion too but you get my idea right?)  

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040122-6.html

To quote President Bush here from that speech,

"We'll protect the homeland. The best way to protect America, however, is to go on the offensive, stay on the offensive, and bring the terrorists to justice"


That takes a lot of man/woman power unfortunately doesn't it?  Men and women who wish to stay free in a country of free-speaking individuals.

I have to agree with Ice here, and think a modified draft would be the ticket exactly as he has stated.  I realize a Canadian's comments don't count for much but being a neighbour I sure would like to see this as the ideal.  

I have to say that the day that someone cannot speak their mind in America such as you did with this post, is the day I say we might as well stop worrying about much.  That would be the day that the very thing “you” fight for is gone, freedom of speech.  Do you know what an American is to me?  Well, I can you this much is true.  When I cross that border the first thing I see are all those flags being flown by people who believe in America, and are not afraid to show it a daily basis.  Any little store has flags for sale, and makes me smile.   Today is Remembrance Day in Canada, and I had a hell of a time trying to buy a flag to hang outside for today but finally got one in Chinatown of all places.  

Even now, some are not too excited Bush got another four years but I see people across the line from Vancouver finally banding together once again as “citizens of ONE  country,” to support whomever runs it finally now that the dust has settled some.   ‘Tis a good thing as Martha would say.      

So Noah … do me a favor, you keep asking questions.  You, and others your age will run this country one day, and that makes me very proud, and just a bit safer to see someone interested in politics like yourself at your age.

Now, that to you is my opinion Noah, and God Bless Your America.  

Carpe' Diem.
HAPPY VETERAN'S/REMEMBRANCE DAY to ALL our veterans and armed forces ~


        
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Noah:

I empathize with your concern.  I was in my second year of undergraduate study when the first Gulf War errupted and there were rumblings of reinstituting a draft then.  I agree with Alicat, however, that the rumors of a new draft have been fueled by empty political rhetoric during a contentious presidential campaign.  It pays to be informed, but I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Brad:

I do not know anyone who lost family members in Vietnam.  My biological father was a soldier in Vietnam who went AWOL long enough for me to be born and my sister to be conceived before the authorities caught up with him.  I suspect he was drafted and, knowing something about the traumatic effects of war on soldiers, I understand why he did what he did.

Also, when I was a Boy Scout, one of my camp counselors was a Viet Nam vet whose platoon was abandoned deep in Viet Cong territory.  He was one of only a few who survived a long walk back to South Vietnam.  When helecopters flew over the camp at night, I recall hearing the counselor screaming.

That all said, I'm less concerned with how we fill the ranks than with what we do to ensure war veterens receive adequate psychological services upon returning stateside.  I, for one, would have honored my duty to serve had I been called - granted, that would have been my choice and, like those who would have chosen differently, I would be solely responsible for the consequences.  As I saw it, if I attempted to dodge such a call, such an act would be tantamount to putting someone else's life at risk because of my own selfishness (be it fear, conscience, or defiance).

Long ramble done.

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Frankly, I've found some of what has been said here heartaching.

Be a man? Stand up for your country? Learning French lessons?

I'm SICK to my stomach hearing this. To many others they find what I do for this country, in protesting this war and fighting for civil rights and cultural equality, standing up for this country. I've got feelings for my country too, different than others they may be, but I am proud of what I do in standing up for my country and I intend to continue remaining true to my nature and working for non-violent peace, building communities, stopping prejudice, racism, and the other injustices of the world.

Tere are those who do sign up and register in serving our country, and I believe it's your life, it's your body, so it is your choice, your decision to do what you want.

But I AM NOT interested in playing this game, can't you see that?

Can't you see I DO NOT want to go and spill the blood of others, and go against everything I believe in. I've never been in war of course, but I've heard enough terrifying stories that make me vomit sometimes. Stories of the young losing legs, stories of the young who live with constant migraine, stories of the young who were bleeding heavily from their shoulder and had no tourniquet and they had to suck their lips over the gaping wound to stop the hemorrhaging while standing on one foot. I'm sick and tired of hearing these sorts of stories. And, frankly, if I was forced to go over there and I saw the sight of my fire striking someone, I don't think I can ever live with myself anymore.

Can't you see I DO NOT want to go over there and inhale all that uranium and gunsmoke in the air, and return home one day with headaches all the time and have a child in the future with only three fingers on one hand and the other arm missing a whole hand, like some Iraqi and Gulf War soldiers already reported?

Can't you see I DO NOT want to lose a limb in fighting a war I myelf have continued to call "senseless" and which I always will continue to call it, where now many of us don't even know what we're fighting for?

I hae feelings too, you know. I, myself, have served this country in a  different way, for working to build communities and empower the youth to believe they can make a difference and can fulfill their dreams. And should this draft fall through again, IS THIS THE THANKS WE GET? Is this the price those 91% of young voters pay for never voting or speaking out? Having to do the dirty laundry of others?

All I can say is, I'm appalled by some of the early remarks in this thread. I'm just a young man who only wants to live here and pursue my lifelong dream of educating children and songwriting, who only wants to find true love in this world and feel loves first kiss, who will only go far enough to see violence in action movies. I'm insulted by some of your earlier comments, and, in my opinion, I believe following your heart and reaching out to others is being a man. I have chosen my course in life, and I demand respect. There's more than just myself who are concerned a draft can re-surface, after all. Over half of youth fear this too. Many local scholers in my community fear this.

So now, seeing that many doubt the return of the draft, I ask, "How will Bush get the troops he needs should he decide to invade Iran or North Korea next, with the accelerating violence, without pulling away from Iraq?"

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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Well Noah,
You already know I'm not fond of politics. But I'll speak here. I registered for the draft when I was eighteen and was approved to be a conscientous objector. I would still stand by that decision though I never served because I received a family deferment.

Then the gulf war came along when my son was draftable. That was the first time I considered being a Canadian resident. Couldn't handle the thought of losing my son. Instead I lost my daughter. Guess I might be without any children now had he been drafted.

So do I take this topic seriously? You bet. And just a hint, I'm pretty sure Balladeer does too. Seldom do you and I agree politically. And we don't agree much here. But I believe firmly that you have an obligation to follow your conscience, as do I.

But regardless of your decision, I still like ya'. Not too sure about some others but I like ya'.


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Sorry about that, Noah. You phrased your last sentence in a way to invite comments like that. If you had simply said what the (implied) actions you mentioned were there would not have been misunderstanding....when you just throw a loaded statement like that up in the air, you are inviting anyone reading it to come to their own conclusions.

No one who has read any of the many comments you have made would ever accuse you of being less than a 100% American patriot. That will never be in question  and that was in no way implied in any of the responses. Do whatever your conscious tells you to do.....
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Oh Larry, regardless of our many wide differences, this is exactly where you and I agree. As I've said too many times before, I HATE politics more than anything else in the world, and there is little I hate.

I am aware of the conscientous objector status. Unfortunately, I've heard in Vietnam few were accepted that, and I doubt should the draft ever come back, it'll be any different.

Larry, this is just the kind of discussion I was desiring to have in this thread, and I respect you very much for your input here. I only want to look behind the politics of this sensitive issue, possible alternatives to getting new recruits, etc. Maybe by increasing the minimum pay for volunteers?

I truly wish it never had to come down to this, where I would be engaged in politics. But the sad reality is, politics affect whole communities of people, and when we see something tha goes against our morals and we've never taken part before and we know deep in our conscience something has to be done, I feel it is ones obligatory role to participate to make what's wrong right. And then we're caught shaking the wicked Yahtzee cup of politics.

Despite our many differences, please know I appreciate and respect you and what you have to say. (angel friendship hugs) Please know how much I continue to feel for the loss of your daughter Ginger and your father very much, for your love for all your loved ones is so strong and everlasting and I know with all my heart they will always be in your heart and their spirits will be guiding you everyday!

Bless you, dearest friend!

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton



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17 posted 11-11-2004 03:42 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Balladeer, I just don't understand what saying, "I already know what I intend to do" could encourage early comments like that.

I feel many here who participate often in Lounge and Alley discussions know me well enough to understand the kind of person I am; a passionate young activist who opposes these wars and injustices in the world. I guess I was just assuming it struck many as obvious what I would do in this type of situation; rather choosing a prison sentence over a rotation, or moving if that wasn't an option.

With all due respect, I just feel your initial comment struck me as quite random.

I'm not taking French lessons, but if I did, I shouldn't be ashamed of it. I believe we have to build communities, work out our differences with other countries and get along, as I find that is the key to building an effective peace process. we just can't keep isolated and live by ourselves, or there will be growing discrepancy and misunderstanding.

Though I still don't understand how my introductory post can encourage such responses like that, for I feel I asked this question maturely and thought it through well before speaking, it's all okay.

I just want to have a fruitful discussion here, and analyze the politics and everything behind this concern that's even found its way into presidential debate discussions, news headlines, etc. I felt seeing that, I was justified to ask this question and it's not a stupid question either.

The truth is, I am worried, and believe it is healthy to analyze between the lines every important issue that plagues your mind or it'll only hurt more if you keep it to yourself. It's like when I was a little boy and was abused my school boys. My mom would see the cuts and scabs on me and tell me what happened. A few times I was guilty of being ashamed to express myself, but in time my silence only made me cry more and more and hurt me deeper and knew I had to tell them what happened. Then...after talking it out...I felt free, I felt much better!

Plus, few young members participate in these discussions so I feel it's important to have a diversity of viewpoints in order to have a fruitful discussion. I believe the young need to be educated from the elderly and the elderly need to be educated from the young and everyone in-between, for we all have a voice, something to contribute!

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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Honestly Noah, if you were my son, I'd send you to live with Mysteria!!!

Stick up for what you believe in! No one should ever fault you for that.

I don't think the draft will come back though - I think we'll be out of Iraq before it becomes a reality. I think the volunteer armed services are probably suffering right now because the war has been so prominently aired on TV and young people SEE how hard it is to fight and defend your country.

It certainly is a hard topic to stay dispassionate about! And here at "Passions" I'm afraid we live up to our name!
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I have to agree with Alicat.  Scare tactics and nothing more.  

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Noah,
If you thought my earlier comments were intended to be a personal attack, they were not.  But you did scratch a wound.
I'll be back here again later and perhaps can make my point more precisely.

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Noah,
Personally I thought Michael's original comment was clever and very humorous. I find even gallows humor to be useful. So don't overanalyze a wise crack too much.

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appreciate it, Larry....that's all it was meant to be....thenk God at least somebody realized that instead of finding it so offensive it could even make ice hot.

....I will certainly be more careful in the future...
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23 posted 11-11-2004 06:24 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Krawdad, the one part in your comment that was hard for me to digest was, "If you can't handle serving your country, perhaps you don't deserve one."

That's the part I had a problem with in your post. There are millions here who have never served in their life and they have given so much to this great nation. I believe you can serve your country without putting on those thick black boots or yield an AK-47 or bayonet. You can fight for your country without literally fighting.

Teachers, firefighters, union workers, etc; many of them never were selected and volunteered and they give all their heart to America.

That's the particular part I had trouble with, Krawdad, and please add on if you'd like.

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Balladeer, the thing with your initial comment that upset me was two things actually.

First, I brought about a very sensitive topic and question here in which I wanted input and opinions put into, and your first response kind of struck me like you didn't really care about my concern, as this issue affects young people like myself ages 18-26, so I felt you could have made a more thoughtful response.

Secondly, I understand we live in a culture full of stereotypes and labels, but to reference the French in response to a thread about a possible draft renewal felt out of left field to me. What do the French have to do with this draft, or with this anxiety? Of course I'm someone too who believes we need to build bridges and understandings and trust between each and every culture and nation from France to Lesotho so maybe somewhere else I was disheartened in that aspect, but it was primarily that it just sounded so random or out of place to me.

I suppose where we come from, on opposite sides of the political spectrum, it may also offer differing perspectives in which we approach what we say. That's just my point of view is all, but I really take this issue seriously and I expect everyone should be, because honestly, who really wants their child out there in harms way?

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


"You'll find something that's enough to keep you
But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20
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24 posted 11-11-2004 06:31 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Noah, if Balladeer will allow me to speak for him, this was the meaning of his 'French lesssons' comment in response to this:
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I feel despite what Bush and Rumsfeld has said, with the increasing tension in Iraq, particularly with the assault on Falluja, I'm close to saying it WILL happen and I already know what I'm prepared to do in result!


French is one of the primary languages of Quebec, Canada, known as a haven for draft dodgers during the Vietnam era.  It was a remark specifically about 'already know what I'm prepared to do', as his assumption was that you would head north to Canada rather than be subjected to a military draft.  Nothing to do with France, more to do with Canada.

By thinking outside the box, you can see how to open the box.

Alicat
 
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