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Huan Yi
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25 posted 11-19-2004 09:04 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

Mysteria,

“People don't wake up planning to be gay, nor practice to become one, they are born that way.  “


“Drs. George Rice and George Ebers of the University of Western Ontario and Stanford University did attempt to reproduce Hamer's Xq28 results in a study of their own. Their study was released in April 1999 in Science magazine, the same magazine that printed Hamer's study in 1993. Rice and Ebers failed to reproduce Hamer's results. They concluded, "These results do not support an X-linked gene underlying male homosexuality."...


Conclusion
Scientists have not even come close to proving a genetic or biological cause for homosexuality, yet homosexual activists continue to say that sexual activity between members of the same sex is "just the same" as race or gender. Using "biology" as a stamp of legitimacy, activists have pushed for special rights, from sex-partner subsidies to "gay marriage" to adoption. Without scientific evidence to support such claims, it is wrong and dangerously misleading to say that people are born homosexual and cannot change.

Yvette C. Schneider, a former lesbian who is now married, is a policy analyst in the cultural studies department at Family Research Council.”


http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS00D2

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26 posted 11-19-2004 09:17 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

It is wrong and dangerously misleading to say that people are born homosexual and cannot change.

Well John, I am only going by what homosexual adults have told me in person - that they figured they felt they were born gay, and when entering puberity knew immediately they were not like other kids.  I have over the years through my work dealt with many who as you say, tried to "change" unsuccessfully, but that is only my experience.  Like all things in life really though, it is about choice isn't it?  Their life style is their choice, and who am I to say it is right or wrong, it just is.

I should have explained myself better I suppose, and said I approach difference from the live and let live perspective.  

I could care less about scientific facts to be honest, I much prefer to talk to a real person and know what that person "feels" to be their own truth, and try to understand it and learn to respect it.
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27 posted 11-19-2004 09:53 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

quote:
They concluded, "These results do not support an X-linked gene underlying male homosexuality."...

Ask them to show you the gene for heterosexuality.


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28 posted 11-19-2004 10:38 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

The gene for both is   And that's a fact.
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29 posted 11-19-2004 10:46 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Can we stop calling us "sexuals"?
Huan Yi
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30 posted 11-20-2004 12:08 AM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

Mysteria,


“I could care less about scientific facts to be honest, I much prefer to talk to a real person and know what that person "feels" to be their own truth, and try to understand it and learn to respect it.”

There are any number of prejudices that would love
to make your acquaintance.

John

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31 posted 11-20-2004 12:18 AM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

Ron,

“Ask them to show you the gene for heterosexuality.”

I agree it is likely just as absent,
however biology does seem to favor heterosexuality
otherwise this conversation would also be likely absent
for lack of participants, (abiogenesis not much
in evidence).

John
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quote:
I agree it is likely just as absent ...

Absent? The gene for telekinesis is probably absent, John. The foundation of sexuality, however, be it homo or hetero, is simply unknown. All the hoopla is simply an admission that science doesn't understand homosexuality. Big surprise, there. It doesn't understand heterosexuality any better.

Don't believe me? Ask Freud.  

When they successfully map the genome for your sexuality, they will almost certainly have it mapped for all sexualities.

quote:
... however biology does seem to favor heterosexuality

Yep. In almost exactly the same percentages it favors right-handedness. So, let's pass a law that left-handed people can't get married?
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33 posted 11-23-2004 03:01 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Who cares whether they were born with it or not? Why on Earth does it matter???!!!

Michael Jackson wasn't born white. But he married a white woman. Even if he was still as black as Jermaine, he could ahve married Lisa Marie.

Since when does the explanation for everything have to be "they were born that way?" That's not what civil rights is supposed to be about... black people are equal because they are people, not because they were born black and we white, normal people understand that there's nothing they could do about that. They are people, and deserve to be treated as such. Gay people are people, and deserve to be treated with equal rights in regard to their "lifestyle" or "genetic predisposition"- whatever you want to call it.

In my eyes saying woman cannot marry woman is exactly the same as saying black connot marry white.
 
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