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0 posted 11-05-2004 10:16 AM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

From Arab news media, India news media stories this morning, not yet even mentioned in major US news online: (it is only 7AM here)
You'll no doubt hear about this within the next few hours from the US press. After all, it is still early, and some will want to triple verify this before letting the citizens know. However, IF you read the news from other countries, you will be three steps ahead of the rest of the populace.  

DUBAI, Nov 5 (AFP) - A group linked to Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda network threatened the United States with reprisals after the re-election of President George W. Bush, warning of "unbearable hell," in a website statement on Friday.

"The coming days will show you that the one you preferred will lead you to an unbearable hell," said the group calling itself the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades after the Al-Qaeda military chief killed in Afghanistan in October 2001.

It was not possible to immediately verify the statement. The same group claimed responsibility for the train bombings in Madrid in March this year that killed 191 people in Spain's worst attack and injured another 1,900.

"Although the criminal Bush has spilt blood of Muslims during the last four years and despite the butcheries that he committed and continues to perpetrate in Afghanistan, in Palestine and in Iraq, we see that... the applause of his people is increasing," it said.

"This shows the nature of the American people who approved the war against Islam led by criminal America," it added.

The statement comes after a message from Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden -- broadcast just days ahead of the US election -- warned the United States of new attacks similar to those of September 11, 2001.

Bush beat his rival Democrat John Kerry to win a second term in office in Tuesday's vote.

"The re-election of the criminal Bush, who is no different from the other leaders of this country who have devoted their efforts to killing Muslims everywhere in the world, will not dissuade the mujahedeen from striking the head of the line of infidelity," it said.

"Bush and Kerry are two sides of the same coin. Both have a dark history that will never be erased. It is the American people who will take the consequences of the politics of its president over the next four years.

"The next days will show that your support of the criminal will not bring you security and will not prevent the muhajedeen from hurting you where you are. The next days will prove this."


So, how much safer do you feel now?
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1 posted 11-05-2004 10:26 AM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Just remember, most of you read it here first, or can at least see that it was available information as early as 7AM western time. It is now almost 7:30, and the major media moguls haven't picked up this story yet.
I studied to be a foreign journalist, though never actively persued this career line. But anyone with an internet connection, a bit of inquisitiveness and a desire to expand your backyard can find all this info easily. Just stay informed because you can't count on the CIA, FBI, or USA government to inform you on a timely basis.
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"So, how much safer do you feel now?"

same as I did yesterday....same as I will tomorrow. At least with Bush as our President, I can have guns in my home to protect my family. I would rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.....that is my thoughts on most things in life. From having food and water put away, to having my guns.
When things are out of our hands, the best thing you can do is be proactive, not reactive.
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quote:
So, how much safer do you feel now?
A LOT more than one might think~
There are ALWAYS other opinions, other views, other fanatics ... but here in America, UNITED WE STAND in our freedom-of-choice in having the democracy in which we re-elected a President who will stand steadfast in his belief to protect our homeland~
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I just think that so many are misguided on this whole war on terror.

After all, why would you call this a war on terror? No matter had Bush, Kerry, Nader, Cobb, Peroutka, Badnarik or Mickey Mouse been elected, it would still be an issue that wouldn't cease to exist, and we're going to have to accept that there are just troubled people in the world who will always be driven by these instincts.

I truly find it saddening how three-fourths of those supporting the war still believe there are weapons of mass destruction even after all major reports contradict that argument, and about as many believe there's still a link between Saddam and 9/11. I mean, I'm anti-war on a moral and spiritual level, but even to those who aren't, it's startling to see this war being defended on the claim that Saddam was just a bad man.

This nation is just obsessed with militarization and violence, period. I just think the more and more our government fights this war, the deeper and deeper we'll slip into trouble.

51% is a majority vote, but considering this election was all a two-way race and over 55 million other Americans voted otherwise, they can't be wrong either. It only shows how polarized this nation remains, and I truly hope Bush fulfills his promise to the American people in having a bi-partisan agenda and sreaching out to Kerry voters, because a majority of Kerry voters don't approve of this war and in continuing to fight this war, I find it increasingly difficult how he'll accomplish this feat.

They say in Japan, "Fear is only as deep as the mind allows". I think our media and nation is driven ever so much by fear, and it just shouldn't be that way. It's wrong and it's unhealthy.

A majority of the world has spoken that they believe the world is less safe because of this war. I do not feel safer with Bush being re-elected, and I'm just hoping after leaving a nation where over half felt America was heading in the wrong direction through his first term, I hope he can reverse these effects in this second term.

I hope those who voted Bush are right here, I really do hope it. But I certainly have some doubt.

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I don't really see how guns in the home are going to protect anybody from hijacked airplanes, or WMDs for that matter.
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so Noah? should we have let the "bullies"(terrorists) push us around in hopes that they would leave us in peace if we do what they want? That is the way you present your thoughts hon. I just don't agree with that...they will do this no matter what, they are sick and twisted people. They laugh at people like you and call you weak. They hope for nothing BUT people like you who want us to not fight back. They don't want us to have guns....and to actually give a damn if they hurt us, they don't want us to fight back. Makes their job so much easier.
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Hush,
if this war gets down to a personal level, which in all reality, it could...I would rather have the means to protect my family, then not. That is all. If you did not grow up understanding that concept, you probably will never get it.
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I understand the concept of poeple wanting to own guns to protect their families- and as long as they are stored safely and not accessible to kids or really, anybody without the proper license and/or registration, I'm fine with gun ownership. (As far as I could tell, so was Kerry- he even shot a Goose in my state to prove it.)

I'm not so sure the general public should have assault weapons though...

And in light of the fact that our current enemey is a covert network of terrorists based across an entire ocean who have proved, time and again, that bombs, suicide bombings, and most recently hijacked planes, are their modus operandi- once again, I don't see how you figure they're going to attack in hand to hand combat here in the states. They can do so much more damage with much fewer casualties to their side by doing it their way.
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I didn't say that I thought that it was going to come down to hand to hand, I said in all reality, it could. How can you say it won't? You can't just as I can not say for sure it will. I keep guns in my home for more than the terrorits. There are plenty of bad guys living right here in the US. And as for Kerry shooting a goose? That was for publicity only. It was, a joke. I know I laughed...

and for the record, my kids know how to shoot better than most adults. Gun safety is first and foremost in any responsible gun owners home.
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I'm afraid, more terrorist attacks are inevidable, regardless of who is President...Bush being re-elected serves no more threat then if Kerry were.

These people (the terrorists)are insane...and want our country...want our freedom to rule in their own way, it's what they know, what they've been taught to believe and trust, they know nothing else.

Unfortunately, most people do not get it, or ignore it...ohhhh if we only knew what is already going on right here in our own coutry, if we'd only open our eyes, and become involved....if only we wouldn't think, It won't happen to us. It will!

If only our society would demand more astute laws....reform our social policies that have been left adrift....

I fear for all of us....not only because of Bush, but because of us

We have not progressed as a society, but have regressed...we've become very lazy and uninvolved...more concerned about the material rather then whats really important
rules and regulations mean nothing....we back our parties even when they're wrong...we're to proud to stand up and shout, hey, this is unacceptable behavior.

Our laws are corroding, along with American businesses....institutions, consideration for rules...which should apply to EVERYONE, no matter who you are or what position you own.  

Remember the old cliche Welfare breeds welfare....welp, so does lack of confidence...greed, immoral insights and perspectives....feeling like we deserve it?

Judge a countries society by it's homelessness, infostructure, beliefs...concepts...what they deem at entertainment.  We laugh and joke about what we should deem immoral and courrupt, and we fuel gossip and force our opinions and beliefs down everyone else's throats....we're a mess, and this is a great time to attack...we're not ready...we should have taken all those forces we sent over to Iraq and shurred up our holes...

We should be much further along....
We've become a nation of material need, we're forgetting moral obligation to others, concern for others...working together as a team to serve a good fit in public awareness, teaching our children manners and consequence for their actions.

We believe everything we read, the media, we assume, just as they do, without getting the facts...and we bash each other, backing up our arguments with the publishings of others.... and we need, we need, we need this and that? Gosh, if a catastrophic attack ever occured, we wouldn't know how to survive, cuz we no longer get our hands dirty, we rely on electric heat, malls 3 miles away, we've lost those old fashioned ways of survival, doing without, improvising?

Maturity, moral obligation to others, courtesy are slowly becoming prehistorically extinct.

Oh, it isn't hopeless, and it may take another hit or two (terrorist attack) before people get smart and start screaming, SEAL OFF OUR BOARDERS and fight the terrorists who are right here right now.  

They're waiting, patiently...and our government knows they're here?

It's sad, but it will take a catastrophe to wake people up....and besides, we're also a society who doen't think to ask questions....instead we bash and blame....we lack common sense and education...education to become strong again....and the money mongers like us this way.  They love our divided country....
We're experiencing the same things that happened years and years ago, only difference is more people, less ethic....we thrive on gossip, money and what's in it for us.  We allow our TV's, movies and newspapers to control not only our thinking, but the way we should think....and we're being sucked up into it....

sorry folks, I'll remain an eternal optomistic
praying that President Bush wakes up to, and changes this mess, we've all gotten ourselves into...he can't do it alone, no one can, cause he's a puppet to, in some respects....and until the people stand up side by side, together, and forget about controlling peoples beliefs....???? Sigh???

There are a lot of good people out there
who are like children, afraid to fight for whats right, it's peer pressure, people are afraid to stand up for fear of being banned from society or family, or their jobs.  So, we keep quiet...but deep down inside, we all know what's really going on, don't we?

And this hype about not owning the 10 commandments....has nothing to do with religion, but a great deal to do with organized conduct towards each other...without it, we're dead...in more ways then one....

I really do miss the old Religious Christmas Carols, I miss the caroling and the privilege of calling it Christmas....I miss knowing who my neighbors are, baking cakes when new neighbors move in....I miss it when no one comes to help shovel snow, and the guy across the street owns a snow blower.
When my foster dad was alive, he shoveled both sides of the streets, with the other husbands....I miss hearing kids reciting the Lord's Prayer...jeeze louise, at least that gave our children something to believe in?
A role model so to speak?  

OH well, down off my soap box I go...forgive me for being so long winded...

I don't believe things are hopeless, just a little out of joint is all.
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Lee you run for President so I can vote for you!!
You rock!
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Just be careful, and alert, and don't expect someone else to come to your rescue in a disaster, even though there will always be a handful who offer their time and services selflessly, in the end, you'll often be on your own.
Lee, I do agree with some of what you've written, though I am adamant that we keep religion out of schools and government.  Religion's deep hold in other countries only deepens the belief that there will never be true freedom unless and untill everyone's rights are equally respected and upheld by the rules of law and government.
This thread was started to remind everyone to keep an open mind, open eyes, READ and LISTEN to what others are saying.
For survival's sake, please, don't stick your head in the American media proverbial sandpile and expect to maintain any degree of homeland security.
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I feel safe, but that's because I live out in the middle of nowhere and who cares about this place?

I'm not too concerned with having a gun, really, because they'll never attack by foot.. It would take more than a million man army to do that here.

All I can think about is the fact that Cheney said that if Kerry were elected, the chance of an attack on American soil would skyrocket...as if Bush being president would save us...

It won't.
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Orwell, you were sooooo right. 20 years off, but sooooo right
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Meg, maybe a good time to stay put, and hopefully safe.
Raphie, in the overall timeframe of the world, 20 years sure isn't much is it?
Yep, Orwellian thoughts creep into my day too.
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Lee, I do agree with some of what you've written, though I am adamant that we keep religion out of schools and government.  Religion's deep hold in other countries only deepens the belief that there will never be true freedom unless and untill everyone's rights are equally respected and upheld by the rules of law and government.

I believe I should have emphasized, that I am against organized religion...totally, but not against faith and belief and the continued teachings of moral considerations...Organized Religions have become to controlling for me...and scares me just as much as the terrorists...they to control...and thats what I meant when I offered the point about these things have been going on since the beginning of time...and it's no ones business who does what with their body...especially when our children and young people are bombarded with sex sex sex...what in the world do parents expect them to do....my goodness, they're like little hormones with arms and legs....

What I mean to suggest is this...rules may not always seem fair, but are there for a reason...and to modify them sometimes is a good thing...but in the process, we must examine the consequeces of those modifications before we react...b/c we could open a can of worms....meaning...there is always good intentions in people's hearts, but there are those who will always bend a point in the direction of courruption...for personal gains and material wealth.  

Opps, I'm getting off the subject here of just simply maintaining a preventitive maintenance with self....holding values and concern for the hearts of others...teaching our children of great possibilities....they don't have to be married to be successful...or to be taken care of....there is a great world out there for them to offer to...teaching them some basic rules and living by them...(the commandments)  or trying to...to the best of their ability.  

We only use what 1/3 of our brains, can you imagine if we'd begin to exercise those possiblities...which are there waiting for us to explore...but...they've stagnated us...it's no one's business if I decide to get an abortion...(and believe me, I do believe that abortion is for convenience) but it is my choice....

Stem cell research....well, I can understand the Religious views on this subject..but...in the same....God gave us brains to excel, in science, in technology, etc....and I do believe anyone who was loosing a child would welcome any cure stem cell had to offer....one cannot say how they would react until they are stricken with the saddness of a child whom they may loose.  But...there will always be, as there is and was in the past, those that will abuse that particular breakthrough for money and money only, trying to blackmarket embreyos...but we can't allow that to stop us...we can't.

I hope this clears up what I didn't properly explain before...I suppose what I'm saying is what is the most dangerous of all things, are the extremes, the extreme lefts and extreme rights....and if we don't change it, it will kill us.

I've said this before and I'll die saying this....abolish the left and rights by registering independent.  Oh you can still vote for whomever you like, but at least you wouldn't be so inclined to defend corrupt and unacceptable behavior.  Can you imagine the tail spin it would put our politicians in, not to mention, force them slowly to become more honest.  

Remember, no matter who you are, human nature will undenyably defend their own...b/c we've become a nation that is more afraid of standing up and saying....Mr. so and so...you are wrong...so we follow the trends, and dig ourselves in deeper and deeper, and silence paves the way to accepting bad behavior...and it just keeps going and going on....

Our politicians actually believe they deserve pork barrel spending...?????

They're way more concerned about oil, then the welfare of mankind...and believe me, there are other fuel sources out there, a lot less expensive and more reliable...but propose a loss for the giants.

When the terrorist attack again...and they will, our money, cloths, big homes, fast cars, diamond jewerly, big screen tv's and investments will mean nothing....

What means more...is how we forgot about how to raise our children, with the firm hands of love....teaching them...instead we leave it up to day care and others and rant and rave when they don't live up to our expectations????

Look back in history, when did every great nation fall....when they became immoral and corrupt.  And the terrists will be waiting in their own Trojan Horse....Did anyone ever think that they've got us right where they want us....with our boarders unattended and our military preoccupied?  

I dunno, just my thoughts

Thanks for the opportunity to share...and believe me...I hope like anything, I'm wrong!!!!!
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Where did Kerry say he would ban guns?

He didn't.

What election were you paying attention to?

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I don't understand what point you are trying to make, Kacey. Before the election you, Noah, Ron and a host of others claimed their votes would not be guided by any terrorist threat and now you phrase this in such a way that indicates that, because no one let terrorists influence their votes, it's our fault and we should feel less safe? What's your point?

Their message indicates that it would have been the same regardless of the election results so it's not a Bush vs Kerry issue. How would you have us feel?

"This thread was started to remind everyone to keep an open mind, open eyes, READ and LISTEN to what others are saying.
For survival's sake, please, don't stick your head in the American media proverbial sandpile and expect to maintain any degree of homeland security."

I confess my limited intelligence fails me as to what in the world you are saying there...could you be a touch more specific?

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I agree with Mike.

I'm not sure I understand the point here either. The Bush side said Bush would fight terrorism more strongly. The Kerry side said they would fight it better.

It makes no difference, these calls would have come anyway.
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“"The re-election of the criminal Bush, who is no different from the other leaders of this country who have devoted their efforts to killing Muslims everywhere in the world, will not dissuade the mujahedeen from striking the head of the line of infidelity," it said.

"Bush and Kerry are two sides of the same coin. Both have a dark history that will never be erased. It is the American people who will take the consequences of the politics of its president over the next four years.”

They hate Americans, as unbelievers, and  supporters of Israel.  Kacy, I understand
there is a phrase in the Moslem Middle East: “After Saturday, comes Sunday”,
which means Jews first then . . .

“Just be careful, and alert, and don't expect someone else to come to your rescue in a disaster, even though there will always be a handful who offer their time and services selflessly, in the end, you'll often be on your own”

Which Israel has understood for decades and not without reason.  There was
a survey over thirty years ago that found that only twenty percent or less
of Americans would support Americans fighting for the sake of Israel.

Many of Europe have made their appeasing accommodations, almost
by necessity because of large and unassimilated Moslem populations,
(look what happened in The Netherlands).  They’re being very
practical, divorced from abstract right or good.

The fundamentalists understand without American support Israel
would quickly cease to exist.  

The fundamentalists  believe they are doing God’s
work and they have amply demonstrated their willingness to
die in order to kill for their god.   We, ( where,  I understand
one third of medical costs associate with the last few months
or weeks of life), can’t grasp that, anymore than sailors could
Kamikazes in the Pacific.

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Many times the American support for Israel is used as a crutch, an excuse, nothing more. Someone tell me what Israel has to do with the moslem atrocities in the Sudan or in other areas where they slaughter in the name of their god?

If the Palestinians put down their weapons there would be peace.

If the Israelis put  down their weapons there would be no Israel.

John, with all due respect, I do not believe the fundamentalists believe they are fighting for their god...nor are they willing to die for it. They are simply good at making their followers be willing to die for their cause. Let me know the next time you see a high-ranking moslem die as a suicide bomber. Ain't gonna happen...
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Not an NRA member, but those folks are a tad political and they weren't real strong Kerry backers even with the dead goose.
http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=162

The NRA was paying attention to a different election apparently.

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Mike,

“John, with all due respect, I do not believe the fundamentalists believe they are fighting for their god...nor are they willing to die for it. They are simply good at making their followers be willing to die for their cause. Let me know the next time you see a high-ranking moslem die as a suicide bomber. Ain't gonna happen...”

Remember the now old saying:
Old soldiers never die.
Young ones do.

That’s how it has always been.  The generals on
both sides are always the last to go.

But their followers are fundamentalists who do believe
they are fighting for their god...and they are willing to die for it
if they can kill as well.  And they are killing.  And like
those sailors mentioned before, we don’t have much
choice beyond trying to kill them first.

As to the Sudan, in the Sudan it’s Sunday.

John
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Well, yeah, none of those votes abrogate you second amendment rights.

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At least with Bush as our President, I can have guns in my home to protect my family
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How do any of those votes hurt having guns in the home?


 
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