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Huan Yi
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0 posted 10-29-2004 12:18 AM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

I remember a few decades ago
over population was a big issue.

Now, as far as I know, the world’s population
has increased to 6 billion, (it is said that there
were more human beings living on the planet
in the 20th century than in all of the previous
ten thousand years combined), with 9 billion
expected by the middle of this new century,
(though in countries like Italy and Spain
the population is actually decreasing).  Yet I
hear little open concern.  Why is that?

John


http://www.os-connect.com/pop/p2a.asp?whichpage=1&pagesize=20&sort=2050

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1 posted 10-29-2004 05:34 AM       View Profile for Marshalzu   Email Marshalzu   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marshalzu's Home Page   View IP for Marshalzu

The population can keep expanding indefinitely because history shows that man will continually find new ways too support new population levels, if this doesnt happen then we can expect Malthusian population checks either way it's no big deal.
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2 posted 10-29-2004 11:21 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Are you kidding?

Yes, we can survive it. But don't pretend it's not a problem.
Aenimal
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Nature/man always find a way of balancing levels out. If not, there are always things like fictitious wars to help wipe out existing and future lines.
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Of course it's still a concern.  Do you read about birth control/abortion issues? Do you read about famine and the global fight for jobs and resources? Do you read about the efforts hundreds are putting forth to further sustainable agriculture? Most educated people already accept as a given that we have a serious overpopulation problem on this planet, and have moved forward into the corrective/amelioration phases of the problem.
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I say we take a hint and follow the lemmings lead
Huan Yi
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Midnitesun,

“corrective/amelioration phases of the problem”

What do you think of China’s enforced one child phase?

John
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John, who uses most of the world's resources?

and no, the answer IS NOT lemmings
LOL at Raphie's reply

[This message has been edited by Midnitesun (10-29-2004 10:45 PM).]

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Kacy, how about if we apply the lemming theory to Washington DC? Sounds better now doesn't it..grins
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lemons or lemmings? LOL
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at least lemons are useful, politicians?  you squeeze a lemon and you can make juice, squeeze a politician...well actually, i suppose you can plant crops with what comes out..
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I dont see how this is such a big deal, humanity is going to survive one way or another and thats what counts really.
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"I dont see how this is such a big deal, humanity is going to survive one way or another and thats what counts really.,"

Really?

Says you.  Says you in a statement of blind faith.  I'd like to think that you are just putting us on, but somehow I suspect that you believe this.
Amazing.
"Survive".  Is that all?  And what would be the point?
Oh, buy the way, have you heard about Bangladesh?


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4038205.stm
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Interesting link, Huan, and it got me thinking about something which happens here, locally.  Yuma produces, against all odds, tons of vegetables and fruits, and is the lettuce capital of the United States, if not the world.  However, not one single produce item is sold locally, except by private farmers.  Private farmers only make up roughly 5%, if even that, of the total agricultural economy.  Everything else is grown here, then shipped elsewhere for distribution and selling.  End result?  Higher prices for produce items, shortages, and non availability, even though I might see a fully loaded produce truck rolling towards California with the same item grown locally not in the local stores.

What got me thinking all that was the section in that article about irrigation projects which could benefit sub-Sahara Africa, but which currently aren't in place.  The only reason Yuma can produce anything except sand is due to the extensive irrigation and canal network, started in the Teens and basically finished during the early 50's.

There is enough food to feed everyone.  Just gotta stop paying farmers not to grow something, and urge them to diversify their crops.  Add to that education on crop rotation to oversea farmers and a better global distribution network and there should be enough for all, with extra for storage.  Howsoever, that raises another question.  Historically, when people are fed, they make babies.  Lots of babies.  Even if conditions have improved to the point of low infant mortality/morbidity.  It took a couple of generations for most Americans to get to grips with that, but there are those who just don't care.  A relation of mine has 9 or so children, I think.  It's been awhile since I last saw them.  At that time, they had 6 and were planning more.
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Alicat,

But why so many kids in the U.S.?  Unless you’re
really well off, it’s bound to impact on the quality
of life.  Besides something’s not right here.  A few
years ago, I heard that the average family unit in
the United States had less than two, (1.9?) children.
Here’s another oddity, again from a few years ago,
it was estimated that as much as 7% of all marriages
in the United States have never been consummated.
It can’t all be immigration.

As to the world’s population, you’re never going
to convince the majority to stop having kids.  So
what are you going to do?
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With the non-consummation, I'd hazard that some were for tax breaks, others annulled, and some for immigration loopholes.  Still others may have experienced tragedy prior to consummation.  The reasons may never be known, since percentages rarely give those.  Simply numbers and statistics.
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17 posted 11-28-2004 01:53 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

My comment regarding immigration had to do
with the population increase in the United States
despite the 1.9 children average and the 7%
non-consummation estimate.
As to the marriages that haven’t been consummated,
a couple of the reasons given in the article were
that those marriages were essentially for companionship
and/or there was some sort of dysfunction that
inhibited one or both partners.

As to the world’s population increase, what is the
moral obligation to aid and abet, (or mitigate
the consequences of),  personal reproduction choices
on the part of a human population that in total  bring
that  human population to peril, and at what price to
the world’s environment, other species, etc.?

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18 posted 11-28-2004 02:33 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Moot.  You'll never get a global concensus due to one thing: religion.  Irregardless of the sect or structure, those who hold the line 'go forth and multiply' see that as a Holy Mandate.  So they go forth and multiply.  Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, Protestants: those who believe those words do such.
 
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