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Ron
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125 posted 11-03-2004 08:06 AM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Mike, the guy with the lobotomy is probably happy he doesn't have a headache any longer, too. It's just REAL hard to tell.

My point wasn't that none of the Iraqis aren't pleased Hussein is gone. I wasn't even making the point that saving people is a poor reason to kill their brothers and sons. The good that is done can't easily be separated from the how or from the why, except perhaps by those who need to justify the how or the why.

My point, rather, was that neither you nor John nor CBS get to make those calls. The tradeoffs, what was won versus what was lost, can only be weighed by an unoccupied Iraq. I'm not sure that's something we'll ever see again, at least not in our lifetimes, but I am sure we can't arrive at an answer for them.
Huan Yi
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126 posted 11-03-2004 07:47 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

Ron,

There was an interview by a correspondent of the father
of a ten year old boy who had been killed in a terrorist
bombing of a ceremony opening a water treatment
facility.  In it, the father criticized American soldiers
for giving candy to children which drew and thereby made
them  vulnerable  to attack.  When asked for his opinion
on those who had planted the bomb killing his own son
he was silent, for as the correspondent remarked Iraq
remained a country where it was not safe to voice opinion.
The correspondent was not talking about what Americans
might do.  The Iraqi people are not sure we will see it
through, and they have long memories of what it was
like before and what the Bathists and their allies
are trying to bring back.  Meanwhile, Iraqi new
government officials, soldiers, civilians, are dying
almost every day in attacks directed at them.

Americans will not stay one day longer than they
have too.  On that you can rely.

John
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127 posted 11-03-2004 10:48 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Gentle Men...and Ladies...

I have watched with interest, public admiration, and some concern, over the comments in this particular thread.

While I do not fear for myself in saying that I, for one, try very hard to see BOTH sides, the fact is...

the election is over, and we need to get on with getting TOGETHER.

Ron, you may very well dismiss my point and poof my comment...and Noah, and Mike, Denise, and Kacy... and all the others...

you may very well dismiss my Pollyanna viewpoint.

However...

Concessions have been made, we're not in a month's worth of wonder, we are at a new beginning of whatever it is the people elected would be.

We have to Go On.

And this, from a conservative Democrat...one of those Mixed Individuals Who Didn't Stop From Voting a Mixed Ticket to Try To Keep All Things Equal....

sigh.

I DO appreciate you and love all of you in my own way...

and it seems every time I enter one of these threads, it seems to die here.

LOL...

but now and then, it lives again.

People...start a new thread.  Deal with the new issues...

we have to go ON...

and I DO love you all...

Huan Yi
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128 posted 11-03-2004 10:53 PM       View Profile for Huan Yi   Email Huan Yi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Huan Yi

Sunshine,

Itís a lot better than what happened
within the walls of Jerusalem while
the Romans were outside trying to get in.

John

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129 posted 11-03-2004 11:31 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Well, Sunshine, I don't dismiss your Pollyanna view but I dismiss your accuracy. If you want to aim your suggestion at those who have commented here AFTER election day then be my guest but to name names of people who have NOT and beseech them not to continue seems a little strange to me....and disappointing.
Aenimal
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130 posted 11-04-2004 04:03 PM       View Profile for Aenimal   Email Aenimal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aenimal

Karilea i admire your intentions but the fact of the matter is no one should 'move on'. Healing the differences between us, the personal relationships,yes. But no one should accept this debacle of an administration and the things it has done.
 
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