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100 posted 11-01-2004 11:26 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Mike, you are incorrect about that Osama video. Obviously you didn't read the available translations. He DID NOT say any such thing. He actually says it doesn't really matter who the president is. To the American public, he says
"your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush, or Al Queda. Your security is in your own hands. Any (presidential) mandate which does not play havoc with our (ie Muslim) security ensures its own security."
Nowhere does he say what you claim he says about Bush.
There are many sources on the net where you can read the transcripts.
Let's stick to the truth and not hype, please, on both sides. The truth is, what he tells us and what he says to his followers will not be the same. This video was toned down, for American public consumption, but to remind us that (1) he is well and alive (2) he is still a threat (3) we still didn't understand the ultimate message we were supposed to from 9/11
He doesn't give a rat's ass who the President is. As long as our American foreign policy supports Israel at the expense of the Palestinians, he will come after us every chance he gets. And he is a patient man when it comes to achieving his goals. A methodical strategist, and a yes, the current number one terrorist the world needs to eliminate.
    
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101 posted 11-01-2004 11:33 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Believe me, Kacy, I'm not trying to deviate from the truth as you seem to be trying to insinuate. I only stated what I had heard on the news and stated that. The only thing I can find is this..

"He also accuses Mr Bush of incompetence, saying the attacks on the US would have been less severe if the president had been more alert, and suggests Mr Bush abandoned his people in a time of crisis.

He ridicules the president for continuing to read a story to schoolchildren despite having just been informed of the attacks.

The video is Bin Laden's clearest claim of responsibility yet for the attacks.

The al-Qaeda leader likens the Bush administration to Arab regimes, saying both are characterised by "hubris, arrogance, greed and unlawful acquisition of money".

He tries to appropriate the language of the Bush administration, dismissing Mr Bush's regular claims that al-Qaeda militants "hate freedom".

"We fought you because we are free and do not accept injustice," he says.

He adds: "Your security does not lie in the hands of Kerry, Bush, or al-Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Each and every state that does not tamper with our security will have automatically assured its own security."

Perhaps, since Bush is the one who will continue "tampering" with their security, that is how the inference was made in the newscast.

Since you commented on that, Kacy, how about the rest of what I said, and you ignored, in that post. I'd be interested to hear your viewpoint...
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Would it matter, Mike?

My oldest daughter was about eight when she first saw through reverse psychology. I don't know what bin Landen meant or what he intended (not necessarily the same things), but I do know if I allow him in any way to influence my vote, al Qaeda has won.

Their weapon is not death, which we can't ever control, but fear, which we can and must control. The only power terrorism has is the power we give it.
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I'll come back to this again, but find it difficult sometimes to sit and address point for point, as I'm a single mom and do have other things I actually focus on, such as  actively researching/promoting peaceful solutions. some of what I've read in here is just replay of the news hypes and misinterpretations couple with personal beliefs. I don't have the luxury of going through pages and pages of archives going back to the day I was born to see who did what, I mostly go from memories of what I remember happening.
when I demonstrated against the Viet Nam war, it was with full agreement and encouragement from my ex, who was in Nam
but did not agree with the war at all, just didn't want to go to Canada or to jail. When he returned, he was never mistreated by anyone, never spit at or cursed, not denied assistance vets are entitled to...none of the things I've heard about that happened to some others. So your experiences and a few others don't match what I remember, and don't match for a dozen or so others I know persoanlly who served in Nam. So it's difficult to give much credence to what I'm hearing, and I WAS there listening to Kerry in those days, and DO NOT consider him a traitor in any way shape or form.
Also, I don't feel I have any requirement to address every single thing you or anyone else writes here.
Since when does anyone have that obligation?
I'm sorry if this sounds curt, but this has been the nastiest most contentious election I can remember, and its time to stop all the spitting and name calling, and focus on the issues.
HELLO? It seems to me the real issues are getting lost in all this rhetoric.
Let's look together for some solutions, some ways to mend this world, not push people further apart.
Damn, I hate politics, it is so divisive.
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Mike,

Im with Kacy on this, (Im going to Hell).
Bin Laden made no comment about severe consequences
should people vote for Bush.  If he did, the Bush people
would be dancing in the streets around Kerry people
who had jumped out the windows.

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Mike, where in the world did you get the idea that Osama supports Kerry? I think that is just more political hogwash.
I'll return to this forum later tonight or tomorrow as time permits, meanwhile have a safe evening.
namaste, peace to all
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Fri., Oct. 29/04 http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?articleID=1753292&pageID=cbc/top_archive

Kacy I am not sure if this link will work to get you to an article about the Osama bin Laden's tape in Canadian news, but it is easy to see why some people are thinking that he was speaking directly against and about Bush. (Read towards the bottom references to Bush.) It doesn't state he support Kerry but it states he condemns Bush.  A lot of Canadians just assumed he was using scare tactics as the media presented it that way.  My son even informed me it might even be the opposition up to no good right before the election and he would not believe the tape until they could actually prove it was even him speaking.  (The computer geekies know ways to make things appear other than they really are he assured me.)             What this type of hype will do is create fear which is the last thing that people should have on their minds going to the pole to vote, because it would not matter who was President when it comes to this maniac, I think you might agree?

This is the report where he supposedly speaks about Bush as well for your reference.
Sat., Oct. 30/04
http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?articleID=1753685&pageID=cbc/top_archive

In any event, I am sure praying big time that tomorrow morning Americans will get up and go to vote, speak up for what they think is best for the American people in the next four year period, and vote for the right "person for that job" in their mind and not this nonsense.
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I saw the same thing on the news tonight, the rest of the tape that hadn't been translated yet, and Michael is correct. And an Arab translator stated that bin Laden was actually referring to individual states in the statement due to a modifer used with the word states, indicating our individual states, not states as used in the national sense, and that they would suffer the consequences of how their states voted.

I don't see the tape as good or bad for either candidate.

While some could say it could be good for Bush since bin Laden doesn't want Bush, (and I've heard the talk about it being a Republican propaganda plot, as Sharon referenced) it could also be seen as bad for Bush if folks give in to the threat and vote for Kerry.

Ron is right too. We shouldn't allow anything that bin Laden says influence us either way, out of fear. It's our election process, not his.

I won't vote for someone, though, who has the support of the terrorists, the Communist Party, France, China, North Korea, Iran, Michael Moore, Jane Fonda and the Hollywood elites, MoveOn.org, and the imbeciles who spread racially devisive lies to garner votes, even if the candidate himself were not such a colossal, shameful and pathological liar and panderer. And fear has nothing to do with it.  

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"My son even informed me it might even be the opposition up to no good right before the election and he would not believe the tape until they could actually prove it was even him speaking.  (The computer geekies know ways to make things appear other than they really are he assured me.)"


If only we could shave Bush's
head to assure ourselves there
aren't three sixes.


  
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No, Kacy, you don't have an obligation to adress anything I say at all...but you did and did by zeroing in one one point and ignoring the rest. No problem...I wasn't really expecting an answer anyway. How can I possibly imagine that bin laden would be against Bush? How could any intelligent human being think otherwise?

Ron, I have no idea at all what you mean. I said nothing about bin laden influencing your vote. I had simply asked what it felt like being on the same side of the fence with him on this issue, along with Arafat, Castro and others of that ilk who have come out in support of Kerry.
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Thank you, Denise....I was afraid I was having hallucinations there for a minute!
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Balladeer, first of all let me say you don't have to worry about me ever throwing tomatoes at you or any troop in that case.

Seriously, however, that's funny you mentioned the terrorist component to this argument.

After all, what's up with Iran endorsing Bush? (I don't know where denise got Iran endorsing Kerry). Didn't Bush declare them part of the so-called "Axis of Evil"?

On October 20th, according to the Associated Press, "The head of Iran's security council said that the re-election of President Bush was in Tehran's best interests, despite the administration's 'axis of evil' label, accusations that Iran harbors al-Qaida terrorists and threats of sanctions for the country's nuclear ambitions."

Now, Hasan Rowhani, head of the Supreme National Security Council, Iran's top security decision-making body, explained it was because, in their view, Democrats have hurt them more than Republicans. But, then again, they could have just endorsed Nader or Cobb, eh? Eh?

And in response to that video, you need to follow the advice of Kacy here and read the whole transcript, for you were critical of Kerry for rushing to conclusions or seizing each story like with the 380 missing tons of explosives, yet now you rush into this without studying the whole transcript and say the terrorists want Kerry to win when Osama clearly says the security is in our own hands, not under either Bush or Kerry.

I can understand how you're on edge and so full of nervous energy about tomorrow just as I am and everyone here is, but it gives you no right to make such far-fetched conclusions and accusations like this.

I'll be happy to provide a link to the full transcript:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

The fact is, no matter if Bush or Kerry is elected, terrorism will not cease to exist, and it is something we'll be struggling with in the years to come. The real decision is how we go about resolving the conflict. Either we let it dominate our lives and invade our lives with fear and panic, or we treat it like an issue, but not an all-governing issue and accept it's something it'll take time to see dissolve through community building, public outreach and understanding.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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Noah, I refer you to Denise's post which states that there is still part of the tape which has not been released yet because that is the same newscast I saw. As far as my being on edge - really? I don't feel that. I admit I feel a bit frustrated at some of the things I read here but that's normal.

How can I make accusations that the terrorists are against Bush? What is the weather like in that world of denial, Noah? How can they not want him out? Arafat and Castro have said so publicly. Bush is the one who has bin laden hiding in a cave with a large part of his organization gone, Afghanistan lost to him as a safe haven,...you really think he would want Bush to stay in power????
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Yes, Noah, bin Laden said our security is in our own hands. The newly transcribed information clarifies how our security is in our own hands...depending on how each state votes...their lies our security...according to him.

About Iran, I had heard that the Ayatolla gave his support to Kerry a couple of weeks ago. I guess Iran is as divided as we are!

Michael, I guess you just have to watch FOX news to get the whole story sometimes. I didn't hear it on the network news.  I'll bet you're not surprised either!
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Noah,

Osama does Bush bash excessively,
but thats probably because like everyone else
he doesnt have any clear idea of what Kerry now
stands for.

John

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I will say one thing - Saturday Night Live's Election Bash 2004 was absolutely hilarious tonight!  It's over now, but I am still laughing at what was really all too true I am afraid.  Somehow my wishing Clinton was back doesn't seem all that strange anymore.
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I'll return later today, am swamped with critical personal issues this morning.
As I've said many times before, don't let ANYONE influence your vote. If you've been following the world's issues all along, you already know who you trust/don't trust.
And Osama doesn't really give a rat's ass who holds the throne in the US at this point in time as long as some of our (and those of other countries) major policies and international actions remain the same.
Let the games begin, I know who I'm placing my bets and hopes on.
namaste, peace to all, have a safe and sane day, please
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I absolutely agree with Kacy.

And I also believe both Bush and Kerry's parties would agree with that, for having a tape released just four days before the election could very well have invaded all the major headlines and be seized as a keynote argument to the campaigns. But it's been treated quietly on both sides, with hints of the release in their stump speeches but not as a banner.

Osama's not going to tell me who to vote for, no politician is going to tell me who to vote for, I'M going to tell ME who to vote for. I've heard both sides, I've researched, I've taken the time to compare and contrast, but in the end, no one should tell you who to vote for but YOURSELF.

They say "Fear is only as deep as the mind allows." Some may have fear influence their vote, but it is passion that has influenced mine, and those who are influenced by fear like this I find saddening. This should be about the issues, about the character, not about the sole voice of an infamous bin Laden.

Frankly, I am encouraging all of you to go out there and vote, and more importantly vote your conscience, not your fear.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

(wasn't that one of Kerry's accusations..."it's all about the oil", etc...)

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers,

(wasn't that a point Kerry tried to make on how the President waited for 7 minutes before springing into action whereas Kerry would have responded immediately?)

....anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Halliburton and its kind

Wasn't that a point of Kerry's, who has used every opportunity to throw the name Halliburton in every conversation? Osama used the specifil name? Amazing....

And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House

No, of course Osama doesn't care who gets into the white house....pure coincidence that he picked up on several of Kerry's talking points to include into his speech...Kerry could have written the thing himself with all of those similarities!

Anyway, the talk is over for now and we will vote, wait for and abide by the results...which we will get in 5 or 6 months after the lawyers have gone through all of the lawsuits they can create.

Have a good day and do so peacefully...

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read it in English, thank a soldier.

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Those accusations you are making are just incredible, Michael.

Of course, like I've said, I understand how Election Day can put anyone on edge so far as to want to say anything.

It didn't take Osama for me to figure out the crimes Bush has committed in this war. I've witnessed them since March of last year. It didn't take Osama for me to figure out the war profiteering from Halliburton, Bechtel, Lockheed Martin, etc. I figured that all out over a year ago. It didn't take Osama for me to figure out Bush has squandered over $140 billion dollars to fight a senseless war we cannot win, and him and his administration lying, exaggerating, and misguiding us on all the details. I figured this out ever since the $87 billion was approved and watching the numbers grow $7 million each hour.

Look at the Bush campaign. Not even they have come out and made these sorts of accusations you are making now. Just when I feared they'd say ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to get re-elected, they had enough class to distance themselves from this sensitive tape as a political tool, along with the Kerry campaign, and focus on what really matters; the issues, the character.

Getting to know you and discuss these politics with you for months now, I've figured all along who you'd vote for, but by golly I hope that Osama tape didn't influence your vote, but rather solely your support on Bush's issues and his character.

I'm optimistic about today and tomorrow, I'm feeling confident, and I am hopeful we will find out the results within the next 48-72 hours!



Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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LOL! Noah, old pal, you have read my entries for months here in the alley. Do you really think my mind might not have been made up until I saw the bin laden tape? You can't be serious!!

The tape means nothing to me and I don't think it will to most voters....as is right. I only made my comment because it was said that bin laden has no preference when one can see clearly from his words that he despises George Bush and the tape made it clear that his preference is to replace Bush....that's all. I expect the tape to make no difference. Actually, it was a childish piece of writing..

May the best of the worst men win....
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Noah,

They say "Fear is only as deep as the mind allows."

I wish you could have listened to my parents as they talked
about life and death under the Nazis.  Then you would know
how nave that is.

It didn't take Osama for me to figure out the crimes Bush has committed in this war.

Its not much of a step from that to our soldiers being murderers again.

It didn't take Osama for me to figure out Bush has squandered over $140 billion dollars to fight a senseless war...

On behalf of millions of Iraqis, I would like to thank Bush for his kind
of evil.

John
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quote:
On behalf of millions of Iraqis, I would like to thank Bush for his kind of evil.

Millions? If you could find five willing to let you speak for them, John, I'd be suitably surprised.
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How about the thousands who are not laying in the mass graves they would have been? Do they count, Ron? If you don't think any Iraquis are pleased that Hussein is not in power any longer then I would think your prejudices are clouding your vision...just a guess.

If you only need 5 to satisfy you I present the Iraqi soccer team which did not win the gold in the olympics and were not subjected to torture by Hussein's son when they arrived home....
 
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