Off topic for me. John, with most debates and similar conversation methods, there will be some meandering, misunderstanding, and tangents directly tied to the conversation. Just as there will be straight answers. That noone directly answered your question for a while means little. Some here were addressing other aspects of your initial post. As an aside, and as advice, it might be best to limit your initial post to just a question or two, then later come back with more detail as the discussion evolves. This can also serve to bring the topic back to topic.
That having been said, carry on.