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This one is for the discussion of the economic questions and answers given during the final debate in Tempe, Arizona.  And allow me to thank all of the participants in the prior threads for engaging in a very vibrant debate, and trying your collective bests to maintain respect and civility towards those with opposing views.
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Thank you Ali and Ron and also all the other participants...

In the third debate I think the most shocking thing was learning that John Kerry is from Mass. and... he's a liberal?  Who knew?  

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I'm just curious when Kerry will realize that he hasn't told us what is plan is.  "I have a plan ... a better plan ... a plan ..."

What the @#$%& is his plan?

Ah yes ... this must be it:

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc66.htm

Jim
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Kerry won this debate, no doubt about it, especially if you watched it in split-screen mode.

All in all, this third debate was suprisingly quite civil compared to the first two. I think both candidates had moments when they connected to the audience, something neither candidate could do exceptionally well in the town hall style debate.

But Kerry did a better job than ever this last time in appealing to be more camera-friendly, more presentable to those not quite used to his equivocal, deep language. Like in the first debate, he clearly had done his research and made arguments filled with meat, yet was also able to substitute time looking down and writing notes to smile at the camera and present himself as more of an everyday citizen, who will admit "marrying up", speaking of his mother's words to him before passing away, and presenting how faith has guided him in his life.

This I believe is what can boost Kerry up in the final stretch of the campaign. To be presented as a more likeable character, and I think he has succeeded to some extent, if not quite up to par with Bush's rating.

Also, I think Kerry earned this victory when you consider the campaign strategies entering this final debate. The Kerry campaign wanted to expose Bush's record these past four years, the Bush campaign was saying, "You can run, but you can't hide!" and eager to expose Kerry's 20-year Senate record.

Bush got some statistics across of Kerry's record, but Kerry was effectively able to defend his ground and provide own examples of success in his record, including breaking from his own party in 1985 to balance the budget.

On top of that, I think Kerry more effectively exposed Bush's record the past four years than Bush did on his mission to expose Kerry. From how Bush handled the Assault Weapons Ban and let it expire, to the constitutional amendment proposed to ban gay marriage, to social security, even to immigration, where Bush claimed it was a subject he was quite familiar with being a border governor, Kerry presented his arguments in a fashion that painted Bush like Mr. Hand from "Fast Times At Ridgemont High" when he looks at Kerry's answers, reacting like what Mr. Hand did to Jeff Spicoli!

Kerry's best answers I believe came from the constitutional amendment argument, where he gave a very empathetic, spiritually-toned "We are all God's children" response, as well as on the faith-in-life question, his response to the assault weapons ban expiration, and his argument on raising the minimum wage.

Of course, Bush had some strong moments. I thought he, like Kerry, also had a good closing statement, a great answer to the final question on what he learned from his wife and daughters, and good rebuttals on the tax argument.

Finally, watching this debate in split-screen mode, Kerry looked more disciplined than Bush. Kerry appeared more camera-friendly while Bush gradually got more tense and drew impatient gestures as the debate moved on, until the last few questions, where Bush improved.

In the end, I think Kerry got more that he hoped to get out of this final debate than Bush did. Bush looked and did better in comparison to that first debate, but still fell behind here.

FINAL DEBATE RECORD: KERRY 2-0-1, BUSH 0-2-1

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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I watched it...But it was the same rhetoric crap....both sides....Loved the way Kerry brought Cheney's daughter into the picture...when he could have mentioned his fellow senator instead?.....and, I've found out today, that there are some things Bush can't discuss about BinLaden and couldn't respond to....but, as usual, it was the same crap on both sides.....was interesting though that Hillary Clinton's drug/health care plan wasn't mentioned...you know, the one that put one or two companies out of business....(ones that were to provide flu vacs?)....when she put "caps" and such on bidding companies for providing them...we ran into this at an aerospace company I'm retired from....that's where the news picked up on companies charging several thousand dollars for three or four bolts?...It just so happens that the Clinton administration insisted on going to the lowest bidder no matter what...and the bolts that were provided truly went to the lowest bidder with very expensive "re-tooling" to provide extras.....Bush ain't perfect...but he's tried his best..and, under the circumstances...(most all unknown by the critical public)...has done a far better job than could be expected....Kerry is wanting to be there...Bush HAS BEEN THERE!!!!
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..the best he can, under the circumstances

Yes Toe, circumstances he helped create and inflame.

Early in the the debate Kerry mentioned a Bush statement regarding Osama Bin Laden which Bush claimed he'd never said and that it was an exageration.

"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important." ~President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02


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In response to Kerry meantioning Cheney's daughter Mary in last night's debate in response to the argument on constitutional amendment, what everyone must understand is that it was actually Cheney himself who put Mary out there in the debate.

And I don't think he was intentionally trying to ridicule her or anything.

On August 25th at a rally in Davenport, Iowa, Cheney said his view of marriage is that "freedom means freedom for everyone.". I believe that too. He was saying this when openly opposing the constitutional ban on gay marriage.

Kerry, last night I believe, was no different in how he responded. He specifically said, "she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as" and that we must respect that.

Cheney's wife has come out to say Kerry "is not a good man" and pulled off "a cheap and tawdry political trick.". If she really felt that way, then I wonder how she felt about what Cheney said August 25th. I don't see anything wrong on either response.

After all, Edwards said during the VP debate: "We respect for the fact that they're willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter, the fact that they embrace her. It's a wonderful thing."

Cheney responded in thanking Edwards for the "kind words he said about my family and our daughter. I appreciate that very much."

No, I think Kerry was mature in how he answered that question.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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It was a political tactic to show division within the current Bush/Cheney administration to further illustrate the divisions across this country.  As mentioned earlier, he could have very easily mentioned homosexual senators, representatives, certain governors, or anyone.  Instead, he willingly and purposefully chose Cheney's daughter for political gain.  When Edwards said what he said, Cheney could have easily gone ballistic, and I do believe that was the intention.  Instead, Cheney diffused the question by thanking the junior Senator for his kind words, which I'm sure threw Edwards off, especially given Cheney's well publicized forceful nature.
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I promised to stay out of this but sometimes one has to have their say.
Remember all the promises Kerry offers can only be done if Congress allows it.
Yes, it would be nice to know exactly what the plans consist of, but he doesn't seem to think the American people are smart enough to understand so why waste his time telling us.
I expect that those who voted for
"Impeached Ex President Clinton" not once but twice, will vote for Kerry.
I refuse to vote for someone who stood up and spoke against our fighting men in Viet Nam. Yes there were some bad apples, but it didn't make all of them bad.
I feel for our country if this man is ever let in the White House.

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Alicat, I think the best way to go about this argument is to wait and hear what Mary has to say herself.

But in my opinion, I really don't think Kerry was intentionally mentioning her for political gain. If anything, I believe Kerry was honoring Mary in what she has done for being open about her realtionship and encouraging others not to be ashamed of it and respect how they are.

Mary was open about it ever since she worked for Coors, which had a reputation of bankrolling conservative, anti-gay causes, which gay groups have long boycotted Coors for.

No, I think, in my opinion, Lynne took Kerry's remark the wrong way or overreacted.

Now, if Mary comes out and says she was offended by how Kerry mentioned her, then we should consider that. But it seems since she hasn't said anything yet about either Edwards or Kerry's responses, I think she feels he wasn't intentionally trying to publicize her in political gain intention.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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But if the bright lights don't receive you
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Now, I'd like to get another point across.

All in all, I thought Bob Schieffer did great in selecting questions for last night's debate.

However, I was troubled to see no questions whatsoever regarding the environment, or on stem cell research.

In regard to the former, many Americans do see the environment as a major issue. 73% of Americans believe our environment must be protected. Yet, an issue that is important to 3/4 of all mericans wasn't mentioned whatsoever last night.

And stem cell research, I figured, was certain to be mentioned once in question form, especially considering Christopher Reeve's passing, who was a great advocate for spinal cord repair research and so I've heard Reeve left a lengthy message for Kerry, advising him of promoting stem cell research to the next level.

I was disappointed by that. Anyone else disappointed by that?

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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Not really, and that's not a political viewpoint, but classification.  Third debate was economics.  Second debate had those discussions as the questions came from undecided voters and those who were soft Bush or soft Kerry, and touched on many issues not normally classified as national security (first debate) or economic (third debate).  So neither surprised nor disappointed.

I would have been disappointed if Christopher Reeves' passing was used as an emotional political tool during a Presidential debate, irregardless of who did it.  That, to this rather simple person, is just plain wrong and disrespectful.  If, after the elections, the President or President-Elect desires to do something honoring Mr. Reeves, then that's their perogative.
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Noah, I seriously don't see how you thought Kerry bringing up Cheney's daughter had nothing to do with politics. He could have made his point just as easily by not mentioning her. I thought it was cheap and uneccessary.

Now, what really irritated me about one of Bush's responses regarding job loss- he kept harping on education and community colleges... so is that what you tell someone who lost their income- to spend even more money they don't have on school? My friend's boyfriend's dad (phew- mouthful) lost a job at a factory, where he was making 26 bucks an hour. He found another job (I'm not sure what, exactly) making 9 dollars an hour. I, make four more dollars an hour than somebody with children my age who just lost almost 2/3 of his income. It just sickens me, it makes me feel guilty and unworthy of my job in light of this. I don't think I'd want to be in the room if someone told him to go to college on that (while the mortgage isn't getting paid)...
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If this wasn't such an important election, I could be more amused than disgusted.

Back in the day, when I was offered a "choice" of governor between David Duke and Edwin Edwards, Edwards unofficial campaign slogan was "hold your nose and vote for me!"

And I did just that, after my campaign for Roemer fell on deaf ears, and then my pleas to The Coalition to End Racism  (Lance Hill) also were ignored.

I chose a thief over a Nazi thief.

I find myself in that same repugnant situation, but now I'm forced to choose between liars.

Bush frightens me and can't even tell me the lies I wanted to hear.

shrug

I'm done listening to the lying rhetoric on both sides.

Think I'll vote for the chance for Kerry to be a proven liar of presidential caliber.

I guess I'll bring a clothespin into the booth with me.

sigh

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"And stem cell research, I figured, was certain to be mentioned once in question form, especially considering Christopher Reeve's passing,"....Noah

It WAS mentioned...by John Edwards..

"Edwards: 'When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk. Get up out of that wheelchair and walk again'..."

I can think of no more pathetic example as to how low Kerry and Edwards will go. The stem cell research in question has absolutely nothing to do with the spinal cord or prevention or cure for spinal paralysis. Edwards just couldn't pass up the chance to use it against Bush, hoping uninformed people wouldn't realize that fact. He made other comments that "if it weren't for Bush, people like Christopher Reeve would be walking. After he released his comments, there was a bombardment of statements from doctors refuting his statements. Kerry had to avoid it...thanks their sub-human tactics, the subject had become poison.
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Here's an article that I thought was enlightening on the economic numbers being tossed around by the Kerry/Edwards team in an attempt to disparage Bush.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/alanreynolds/ar20041014.shtml
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Hush: I don't think politics had to do with Cheney's daughter being mentioned, but if it is somehow, may I remind you that it was Dick Cheney himself who put her in the argument in the first place.

Therefore, according to Lynne's own statement, would that mean her husband is, in fact, a "bad man"? That he's been pulling a cheap trick on their own daughter?

I don't believe that, and I don't believe Kerry did that either.

*******

Balladeer: I meant last night. No stem-cell research related questions were asked last night when many were certain it'd come up somewhere.

Those who really knew Christopher Reeve would understand him far more than just being Superman, but being a super man. His activism is what has made him loved by his deepest fans.

He protested the Vietnam War. He was a lobbyist on many levels and testified on the floor of the Senate to get bills passed to fund spinal cord injury research as well as to get bills defeated he personally opposed.

He said himself, "It is one thing to present legislators with statistics, but quite another to make them face real people who testify at congressional hearings or speak out in the media."

He's worked for many liberal organizations including Amnesty International, Save the Children and the National Resources Defense Council. He addressed the United Nations to encourage the banning of drift net tuna fishing.

His own organization, the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation, funds research that develops treatments and cures for paralysis caused by spinal cord injury and other central nervous system disorders, and advocates very much the stem cell research issue.

Christopher would have wanted it that way to have this issue discussed on and on one way or another. After all, he left a long audio message for Kerry shortly before passing away. That seems to tell me something, that he wanted Kerry to get the word out, and that he wouldn't be using him as political gain.

Sub-human tactics? I resent that remark.

*******

Denise: Well, being a partisan conservative site, I don't know how much I can trust that article, but I will tell you this.

I don't doubt that there were a few inaccuracies on both sides last night.

Kerry still made the mistake in citing 1.6 million jobs lost currently since the beginning of Bush's term. It's actually 1.6 private sector jobs lost, but the real number lost is 821,000, which is still embarrassing, but half of what Kerry said and a stretch.

Kerry also made a mishap on the Pell Grants issue, where he said it was cut but Bush claimed it gained a million students. Bush was actually correct there.

Bush, however, made mistakes too.

He said most of his tax cuts go to low and middle income families. Yet, the bottom 60 percent of individuals and families got only 13.7% of the tax cuts, according to the Tax Policy Center. Meanwhile, 54 percent of them go to the top 10% of American families.

He also, like he has many times during his campaign in tying many issues to why we need litigation reform and keeping doctors from suing the medical companies, said that the fear of being sued has costed the federal government $28 billion a year and costs our society as much as $100 million. That couldn't be any further from the truth according to what studies have said.

Those are the facts, and both Bush and Kerry distorted them.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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Noah, I know you meant last night. Edward's ridiculous comments and the aftermath were made yesterday morning.

...and, yes, I agree. I owe an aoplogy to all sub-humans.
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ah nevermind
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Has anyone heard of the incidences reported in this article?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40914
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Noah?

As to the sexual orientation of Dick's daughter, I agree he opened that door to hegin with.

I am apalled that "our" candidate chose to walk through it, however.

Kinda makes ya realize that in actuality, "we" are joined at the hip, eh?

But if I were her, I think I'd be most pissed at my parents.

It was them that made it a multi-political chip, and my sympathies are with her.

Shame shame shame on all, methinks.

Dark days in the "united" States...
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I never thought I would see the day I would log back in to add a "tsk" to m'buddy, Balladeer?

But sheesh mike, sub-human?

sigh

Let us define:
http://anthro.palomar.edu/vary/vary_2.htm

Now there.



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The comment Kerry made about Cheney's daughter WAS unnecessary, but not a cheap shot. Actually, Ms Cheney's reaction gives me the impression she is embarrassed by her daughter, or such comments wouldn't appear 'tawdry.'  I am a Kerry supporter in general, but didn't care for the personal comment, and feel it was inappropriate.
But even more inappropriate, for the Prez to suggest that someone already well educated and a professional should just 'go back to college' after losing a high paying job.
*&^%$#!!! What makes anyone think additional higher education is going to solve this problem?
I don't think anyone really won this debate, but I was really annoyed by Bush's silly giggly attitude, as if this was some middle school locker room scuffle.
And as always happens in these so-called debates, both avoided and danced around at least one question.
I'm glad I had a chance to watch this one, but also glad it was the last. I shudder to think of what the next few days bring though, in the way of negative campaign ads.
IF you read and listen to the foreign press, I think you'll find most don't trust Bush on foreign policy. And personally, I don't trust him on foreign OR domestic issues.  
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Karen, I will agree that though I don't believe Kerry's mentioning of Mary was meant to be disrespectful, it was not  necessary.

I do agree there. I think he could have formed just as strong of an argument on the discrimination of the amendment without any use of names.

I will say that I do think Kerry's five-time mentioning of John McCain's name, however, IS politically-motivated.

As for Bush and his comment on a professional who lost his job, suggesting one "go back to college", yes, I found that somewhat insulting.

Sincerely,
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Noah- how is it not politically motivated to use one name, while it is to use another?

I think his mentioning of Cheney's daughter was just a little jab, a "see there's gays on your side too, so how can you discriminate" finger point- which I think is a steaming load of bull since he too opposes gay marriage... but supports partnership rights... strikes me as a seperate but equal angle... I guess that's better than a constitutional amendment against it... (for now).

The mentioning of McCain, in my opinion, was to show how he can work with Rebuplicans, how he's not a raving Liberal, how he's nice and moderate and safe.

I had to laugh, tho, at Bush's maligning of Kerry as a Liberal (ooh, how bad!) I mean, to me, Kerry seems like a suit, like a square... and I don't even consider myself that liberal. I wonder what Bush would say if he met me, or some of my friends, many of whom I consider much more liberal than myself.
 
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