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25 posted 10-19-2004 09:11 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

WASHINGTON, Oct. 19 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Kerry-Edwards campaign Tuesday launched a new radio ad titled "Flu." The 60- second radio spot details President Bush and the Republicans' failure to deal with the flu vaccine crisis in America:

"Flu" will begin airing on Florida radio stations. It can be heard online at: http://www.johnkerry.com/audio/101904_flu_radio.html

Title: "Flu Narrator"

Type: :60 RADIO

Date: 10/19/04

Paid for By: Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc./Democratic National Committee

AD SCRIPT

NARRATOR: "If you're an elderly man or woman. If you're a young child. If you're a pregnant woman George Bush and the Republicans have this to say on health care: don't get sick. That's what they said, confronted with a flu vaccine shortage of their making. Don't get sick. They relied on foreign workers to make the vaccine. A company with a bad track record. Now were about 50 million vaccines short. 50 million. If they can't even deal with the flu vaccine, how are they going to deal with bio terror vaccines? I mean, George Bush and the Republicans are so busy kow-towing to drug companies, so busy giving them billions, helping them price gouge, pumping up their profits, so busy selling us out, they can't even get vaccines to keep pregnant woman safe from the flu. 4 more years? They haven't earned it. Not even close. It's time for a new direction. John Kerry for president."

JOHN KERRY: "I'm John Kerry, I'm running for president, and I approved this ad."

NARRATOR: "Paid for by Kerry-Edwards 2004 Inc. and the Democratic National Committee."

Combine this with Edward's inane comment about people like Christopher Reeve being able to get up and walk if not for the suppression of stem cell research and you see Kerry and Edwards following the same road that Al Gore trod by shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity in their drive to lay every evil in the world at Bush's feet....and they didn't even have to invent the internet to do it!

Keep up the good work, fellas
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26 posted 10-19-2004 09:33 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

I thought it was particular humorous, albeit darkly, how Kerry endorsed embryonic stem cell research to help para/quadraplegics.  Most of those cases are from damaged/severed spinal cords, and some end up with amputations.  How embryonic stem cell research is going to repair the spinal cord or regrow lost limbs is beyond me, but I have faith that Kerry has a PLAN.  Lord knows he's said that so often that it must be true by now.
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27 posted 10-19-2004 10:01 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

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Stem cell research is medicine's best hope to attempt to find a cure for spinal cord injury, says Dr. Dalton Dietrich, scientific director at the Miami Project to Cure Paralysis, the world's largest, most comprehensive spinal cord injury research facility. "At the Miami Project, we are currently transplanting embryonic stem cells to attempt to find a cure for spinal cord injury -- one of today's most complex medical problems which affects over a million people worldwide," Dietrich says. Ongoing studies demonstrate that stem cell division gives rise to specialized cells that potentially can replace damaged cells of the spinal cord.


http://cgi1.usatoday.com/mchat/20011203004/tscript.htm
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BUSH: Bob, we relied upon a company out of England to provide about half of the flu vaccines for the United States citizen, and it turned out that the vaccine they were producing was contaminated. And so we took the right action and didn't allow contaminated medicine into our country.

We're working with Canada to hopefully -- that they'll produce a -- help us realize the vaccine necessary to make sure our citizens have got flu vaccinations during this upcoming season.

My call to our fellow Americans is if you're healthy, if you're younger, don't get a flu shot this year. Help us prioritize those who need to get the flu shot, the elderly and the young.

The CDC, responsible for health in the United States, is setting those priorities and is allocating the flu vaccine accordingly.

I haven't gotten a flu shot, and I don't intend to because I want to make sure those who are most vulnerable get treated.

We have a problem with litigation in the United States of America. Vaccine manufacturers are worried about getting sued, and therefore they have backed off from providing this kind of vaccine.

One of the reasons I'm such a strong believer in legal reform is so that people aren't afraid of producing a product that is necessary for the health of our citizens and then end up getting sued in a court of law.

But the best thing we can do now, Bob, given the circumstances with the company in England is for those of us who are younger and healthy, don't get a flu shot.


--George W. Bush, third presidential debate.

Now, doesn't that make you feel safer?

It wasn't my fault, it was England's.

And in the mean time, Bush advocates rationing until Canada can come up with something better.
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29 posted 10-19-2004 10:18 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

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I had to laugh, tho, at Bush's maligning of Kerry as a Liberal (ooh, how bad!) I mean, to me, Kerry seems like a suit, like a square... and I don't even consider myself that liberal. I wonder what Bush would say if he met me, or some of my friends, many of whom I consider much more liberal than myself.



How can he be anything but a flip-flopper Amy?     I mean, you can't BE a liberal if you can't make up your mind.  After spending $60 million to try to paint him as a flip-flopper now we're supposed to believe his long voting record (that he never showed up for) makes him only one thing...!  



But on the political spectrum he is a Libertarian Leaning Liberal  http://www.issues2002.org/Senate/John_Kerry.htm
(scroll to the bottom of the referenced page for a chart)

Which is actually to the right of Ted Kennedy who is a Left Leaning Liberal
http://www.issues2002.org/Senate/Ted_Kennedy.htm

And to the right of Howard Dean who is a Hard-Core Liberal
http://www.issues2002.org/Howard_Dean.htm

But left of John McCain who is a Moderate Conservative
http://www.issues2002.org/Senate/John_McCain.htm

Or G.W. who is a Hard-Core Conservative http://www.issues2002.org/George_W__Bush.htm
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30 posted 10-19-2004 10:21 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Brad, everyone has missed the real joke out of that exchange though -- in the previous debate he wasn't sure we could trust the (re)importation of drugs from Canada.

Where is the press?
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During the early 90's, there were 5 flu vaccine manufacturers, mostly in the US.  After Hillary Clinton's child vaccination plan, signed off by her husband, price caps were placed on flu vaccines, which to date have not changed in 10 years, though the price of manufacturing, employees, machinery, insurance, and litigation has dramatically increased.  And yes, litigation.  Some who get the vaccine get hit by another strain of influenza, claim the vaccine didn't work, and sue.  I'm not sure about this season, but typically there's at least 5 or so different strains floating around at any given time.

Now, it would be great if the companies and employees worked for free, and that the machinery was free, since making flu vaccines does not turn any sort of profit.  Instead, it loses money.  Anyhow, it would be great if those aforemention conditions existed, but they don't.  Businesses are in the business of staying in business.

As for that interview regaring spinal injury and rejuvination, it's all theory at this point.  True, embryonic cells might pave the way to turning that theory into fact, but what exactly is wrong with adult, umbilical cord and existing embryonic stem cell lines that would require the harvesting of undestroyed embryonic cells?  Also, wouldn't the corporations which specialize in frozen embryos have to get permission from all the donors before they could destroy those cells to gain the material inside the cell?  What about their rights, the hopeful mothers?
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From my position as chairman of the Labor, Health and Human Services Appropriations Subommittee, I took the lead in allocating $2 million for embryo adoption, but the unused frozen embryos continue to grow in number.

Some say that we should ban medical research related to stem cells because it is unproven and may lead to unintended consequences. These fears were heard 25 years ago during a debate on a new biotechnology called recombinant DNA.

At the time, many believed that recombinant DNA could be used to cure diseases, while others thought the technology was unproven and unsafe. In the end, Congress allowed this research to go forward. The results are clear: Recombinant DNA has led to the development of vaccines, insulin for diabetics and drugs to fight AIDS, cancers and many other diseases.

President Bush allowed the first federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research by making funding available for research on stem-cell lines that had been derived before August 9, 2001. Originally, it was thought that 78 stem-cell lines were available for federal funding, and that these lines would allow significant progress toward cures. The president made a sincere and thoughtful effort to strike an acceptable balance on this issue.

Unfortunately, more than two years after the policy was instituted, only 19 stem-cell lines are available to federally funded scientists. All these lines are contaminated by the use of mouse-feeder cells and probably will never meet the standards required for human treatment. There is no doubt that these lines are inadequate for the quality of research needed.

Since August 9, 2001, significant progress has been made in the science of stem-cell derivation and handling. Several stem-cell lines derived after that date have been either derived or grown without the use of mouse-feeder cells but under Bush's current policy, these more advanced stem-cell lines are not available to federally funded scientists.

In other words, the embryonic stem-cell lines eligible for federal funding will not be suitable to promote life-saving research. With more than 400,000 spare embryos available at in vitro fertilization clinics again, embryos that would otherwise be discarded and destroyed there is a real question of why the National Institutes of Health funding should be available only for stem-cell lines in existence as of 9:00 p.m. on August 9, 2001. It is essential that the current policy restrictions be relaxed to allow this research to be fully explored. The time has come to expand the current policy on human embryonic stem cells so that American scientists and physicians can continue to make strides toward cures and treatments.

Arlen Specter



http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/May2004/EthicalDilemmaofStemCellResearch.html

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It's Clinton's fault again.
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Good information, LR, though it really didn't answer my questions.  And Brad, it ain't all Clinton's fault, though he does share in the blame if blame is to be given.  Every new president inherits things from the predecessor, and Bush, like some others in history, inherited quite a few.
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No, I answered the latter question, I thought you were merely being rhetorical with the first.  But, here it is;

quote:

For many years, scientists have conducted studies to determine whether the stem cells in adult tissue have the same developmental capability as embryonic stem cells. The general consensus is that adult stem cells seem to be less versatile. Scientists think that embryonic stem cells have a much greater utility and potential than the adult stem cells, because embryonic stem cells may develop into virtually every type of cell in the human body. Adult stem cells, on the other hand, may only be able to develop into a limited number of cell types. Embryonic stem cells also continue to divide indefinitely when placed in culture, while this may not be the case for adult stem cells and this would reduce their capacity to form new cell types. Both adult and embryonic stem cell research should continue simultaneously as they are both critical to our understanding of the etiology, progression and treatment of disease.


http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/About/FAQ.htm#4
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist attacked Sen. John Edwards on Tuesday over a comment the Democratic vice presidential candidate made regarding actor Christopher Reeve.

Edwards said Reeve, who died Sunday, "was a powerful voice for the need to do stem cell research and change the lives of people like him.

"If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again," Edwards said.

Frist, a Republican from Tennessee, called Edwards' remark "crass" and "shameful," and said it gave false hope that new treatments were imminent.

Edwards campaign spokesman Mark Kornblau hit back, "Yes, breakthrough research often takes time, but that's never been a reason to not even try -- until George Bush."

Edwards made the comment Monday while he was stumping in Newton, Iowa.

Frist, who was a heart surgeon before coming to the Senate, responded Tuesday in a conference call with reporters arranged by the Bush-Cheney campaign.

"I find it opportunistic to use the death of someone like Christopher Reeve -- I think it is shameful -- in order to mislead the American people," Frist said. "We should be offering people hope, but neither physicians, scientists, public servants or trial lawyers like John Edwards should be offering hype.

"It is cruel to people who have disabilities and chronic diseases, and, on top of that, it's dishonest. It's giving false hope to people, and I can tell you as a physician who's treated scores of thousands of patients that you don't give them false hope."

Criticizing Edwards' comment linking the lifting of Bush's policy to medical breakthroughs, Frist said research related to spinal cord injuries does not involve embryonic stem cells but rather adult stem cells, "where the president has absolutely no restrictions, no limitations and there are about 140 treatments."

Embryonic stem cells are believed to be able to develop into more kinds of cells than adult stem cells, and thus more useful in potentially treating diseases. Yet some research indicates that might not be the case, and the National Institutes of Health has called for further study of both adult and embryonic stem cells.
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I wonder what would happen if the scientists got together and returned the favor? "Sorry, Senators and Congressmen, but you can't even debate, let alone pass, laws of that nature because we don't believe you collectively have the moral wisdom or ethical foundation to do it safely."

In the long run, of course, it won't matter. Those with serious spinal chord injuries will still be able to walk one day, in spite of the best (sic) efforts of blundering and myopic American politicians. It'll just take a bit longer to get there and we'll be paying for the operation in francs instead of dollars.

There's a big difference between "no one really knows yet" and "we're too damn afraid to find out."

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Actually, the initial point of my post was not referring to the pros and cons of stem cell research or the responsibilities behind the shortage of flu shots. I believe that Kerry/Edwards are giving the impression that they wake us each morning, look for anything that has happened with a negative aspect to it - and immediately blame it on Bush. They are giving the appearance of grasping at straws in desperation of hitting some last-minute home run. Christopher Reeve dies? Point the finger at Bush. Flu shot shortage? Blame Bush. True, Democrats will join in the finger-pointing and Republicans will join in the denial but I think the undecideds will say "Enough already!". I doubt seriously that anyone will be convinced that the flu shot shortage is Bush's fault and I think these kindergartenish tactics are turning people off which, in my opinion, is why Bush has picked up a couple of percentage points in the past couple of days. This is why I say keep it up, fellas. Your whining and obvious mud-slinging at any opportunity is turning people toward Bush.....

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if you take an honest look at both candidates, and forget about your party, but really try and decide who the best man would be to be President...I believe the choice is the lesser of two evils.  They're both responsible for mud slinging and whats worse is, they both state they have plans...but the insult to our nation is....no one demands they lay their plans forward in presentations...we just accept the mud slinging.  

Honestly I don't care what Kerry did when he was what? 20-24...we've all done things we're sorry for.  Again I state, my brother was in Vietnam...I wanted to protest the war...but couldn't...how could I and look my brother in the eyes again?

We've become a divided coutry by this party thing...it's not about the party, it's about the best people for the position (s) and then it's our job to oversee....

Does anyone realize what issue presently faces our country...and no body is listening or even reporting about it.  Immigration is so bad presently in Calif., Texas, Arizona...millions of people are in this country depleating our economy.  Using our hospital emergency rooms which has forced 3 hospitals in Lancaster California to shut down.  They aren't paying for their medical care...they're living off of welfare and they gain social security numbers for all of their sur names??????  Does anyone realize how many gangs have evolved from these illegal immigrants?  Out there, Caucasions feel like minorites, crime is so bad that older people are afraid to go out??????
Can anyone imagine the ripple effect of this issue?  Then on TV, they play upon your emotions to get you on their side?

I'm all for anyone who wishes to come to this country to live free...but I'm not for working against our community...but working with us...and don't change our language...learn ours!  Children in school are having to learn to speak Spanish?????
Directions are printed in how many different languages...now TV programs?????

This is an insult the the people of this nation, and if you'd move to any other country, do you think, you'd be able to collect welfare, obtain free medical care, not pay taxes, obtain a job for less then minimum wage.  You'd live by their rules, they wouldn't change them to accomodate them????  They wouldn't change their language, nor would they allow us to deplete their medical system.  

If anyone here knows about this, please feel free to educate people on this dangerous problem...b/c if we don't, the effects of this, will cause many many problems down the road.

Its not about the parties...it's about the people and taking an honest approach to issues at hand...they've divided our country, and I'm not at all certain that it wasn't intended to be that way.

Both men are wrong...both repulicans and democrates have made mistakes...but the real problem is the people...they deny whats going on...they like to sit back and allow these guys to get away with this stuff and do nothing about it but point fingers...we all have to become working citizens of this US and it means getting involved...forget what party you are and demand this stuff be changed.  Remind them, they're working for us...and it's our tax dollars...

I don't feel any safer now, then I did before 911, and if many of you saw what was going on with illegal immigration, you'd feel the same way.  Its bigger then you would ever believe, and getting worse...

Whatever man makes the presidency...whatever your party is...people have to stop defending lies...slinging mud and get down to the issues at hand, openly and honestly. What scares me...big time, are the extreme lefts and rights...who are obsessed with their party????  And refuse to admit their parties wrong doings...

Both sides are wrong, and have been wrong...and it's time we grow up and stop fighting...we need to wake up and be part of the community

If we're short on vaccines, then what will we do if some contagious disease infects our country?  

We're so vulnerable, everything is leaving and being outsourced?

Think about this folks, we're no longer self sufficient...all b/c of money hungry judges, and attorneys..politicians...and when ever you make a decission, for the specific gain of money...instead of how the decission will effect everyone...then, we're bound to loose???

I feel no safer now, then I did after 911...we're vulnerable...our infostructure is way outdated and dangerous, and there is no money to fix it...

Chemical companies are constantly experiencing leaks.....

Our economy is declining, our jobs are dissappearing

there are no regulations over anything, even price gouging??????  And shame those that do so!!!!  Taking advantage of someone's dispair...

We've become immoral and corrupt...and we still don't get it...we still back our parties instead of standing together side by side and saying...wait a minute, I want to see agendas, facts and figures...stop this kindergarden mud slashing...

When was the last time you made a mistake?  We're people, we all do, but admitting our mistakes and moving forward is becomeing the issue?

I don't mean to sound angry, or like a know it all, but the next four years, really worries me, if Bush gets in...

and oh, by the way, I voted for him...but now have registered independent...and if Kerry gets in and doesn't do his job in four more years then, I'll vote him out...in the meantime we have options, to get involved and realize what is really going on around us.  I believe a lot of American's live in a dream state and fear saying, geeze I was wrong, or am wrong.

Hey, it's our fault, just as much as theres, it was and is OUR WATCH AS WELL.

Just my opinion and thoughts
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Yeah, us poor white people being in the minority... I feel so sorry for us.  Maybe it would actually teach us somehumility to be outnumbered once in a while... ever consider that's what it feels like to a black or hispanic person entered any one of the many businesses, malls, doctor's offices, etc., where they are the only white people? I've been the only white person at different places on different occasions... and yes, it does make you feel uncomfortable to be the outsider. To that, I say good. Think about how it feels on the other side of that fence, when you actually are the minority.

As far as the obnoxious campaign commercials (and I'll agree, they're obnoxious on both sides and it disgusts me to see them), how about the one where they're talking about how "John Kerry and the Liberals in Congress" have a health care plan, including big buerocracy, lawyers, etc., etc., and you're doctor's there... somewhere... not really making the decisions...

Well, how about private insurance? Doesn't private insurance dictate what procedures you can have under what conditions, what referrals you can get to go to specialists, even which docotrs and hospitals you can visit? My mom was extremely sick once, and had had septicemia (a severe blood infection) twice in the past two months. I mentioned this to the nurse, (an excellent nurse, by the way) who said that since my mom wasn't running a fever (the classic sign of infection) they couldn't culture her blood. Hospital policy. Now, the only problem with that is that people with autoimmune diseases and impaired immune systems can present without the classic signs, such as fever, and simply progress to the more severe stages of illness- in my mother's case, septic shock for the second time in a one-month span.

But, the bottom line- money. Don't let anyone fool you that's only under the watch of government- because believe it or not (!!??) private businesses are also interested in slashing costs and upping profits.

Imagine that.
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Balladeer, first of all, let me begin by saying I don't know all the politics behind the flu shot vaccinations and the pharmeceutical companies, so I do agree that neither party should just leap to conclusions and put the blame on another here and the real matter is to see to it as many flu shots as possible find their way into childrne's hospitals and VA clinics.

Now, about Christopher Reeve, again.

As I've already said before, you really don't know Christopher Reeve unless you understand his politics.

Christopher Reeve described himself as a liberal Democrat all his life. He protested the war in Vietnam. He went to Cornell and was fervently involved with environmental activism. First Amendment issues were quite important to him. He said specifically his main focus after his accident was "the quality of life for all disabled people and doing everything I can to help scientists make progress toward cures."

Reeve left a lengthy message on Kerry's answering message just before he passed away. I think that really means something. Perhaps Reeve felt somewhere in his mind he was going to pass away shortly and was urgent in getting his message out to someone he trusted, and Kerry happened to be that person. Reeve WANTS Kerry to continue the struggle for funding stem cell research, for he believes it can find potential cures for many ailments, including spinal cord damage.

What Edwards said I find has some potential truth to it. In a short-term scenario, conservative critics may think it's required we destroy life to create a cell, but in a long-term scenario, it'll help thousands to live. I think the sooner we get this all funded, the more possible it is those who struggle with these injuries and diseases can be cured.

Bush was all over the place on that question during the second debate. He said, "I had to make the decision to destroy more life, so we continue to destroy life. I made the decision to balance science and ethics.". Before that, he said, "Embryonic stem-cell research requires the destruction of life to create a stem cell. I'm the first president ever to allow funding -- federal funding -- for embryonic stem-cell research."

So, why not fund all lines? Imagine the possibilities, the answers that could be produced through this type of experimentation. I have faith indeed that those like Christopher Reeve could walk and cures can be found for Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and so many other diseases.

How is Edwards misleading the American people in Frist's mind? How do you know it is false hope he is exhibiting unless you give further research a try first? Bush claimed himself as the first president ever to fund this research, so according to him this is a new type of research that we're only beginning to learn from and we have much yet to learn from it still.

Reeve is close friends with Kerry. I believe he wants Kerry to continue to promote what he did and "make progress toward cures."

Speaking of which, the polls I've seen don't suggest any real change whatsoever. Bush has had the lead among likely voters in virtually every poll, but among registered voters, Kerry is right up there with Bush when before the debates he was not, and among new registered voters, Kerry has an average lead of 11 points.

But, most importantly, these polls can't measure passion, the impulse. I have a great feeling about November 2nd considering the impressive new registration numbers for Democrats in Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin and Iowa in particular. I consider a number of polls before the 2000 election showing Bush with a 15-point lead in Ohio just weeks before the election, and he only won the state by 3.5%. Ohio is a statistical dead heat right now, with Bush usually having just a slight lead in each one.

The voting machines may do something, but other than that, I believe Kerry can pull this off.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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Um....Mr. Reeves went into a coma the Thursday before he died.  How he came out of it and was coherent enough to leave a long voice recording for Senator Kerry on that following Saturday is quite beyond me.  Perhaps he was Superman all this time.

When the liberal biased media heard that Kerry got the message left on Saturday while Reeves was in a coma from Thursday, they quickly expunged Reeves coma date so that Kerry could indeed have gotten that message left on Saturday.  Gotta love revisionistic historians.
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Thanks for the info, 'cat. It doesn't surprise me at all that Kerry would try to pull off something that sleazy. Kerry had to apologize to Cheney for his "lesbian daughter" comments. Today Theresa Heinz Kerry had to apologize to Laura Bush for saying she had never worked a day in her life, forgetting the fact that Laura had been a schoolteacher for 10 years. This...from an heiress. Yesterday a movie theater had to cancel the showing of "Stolen Honor" due to liberals threatening "civil disobedience" at the theater if it was shown, lawyers tried to sue bookstores for displaying Unfit For Cammand, lawyers tried to block swift boat ads from network television. Did anyone see the Republicans try to take any action against Fahrenheit 911 when it came out? Anyone see them try to have ads blocked? Any lawsuit threatening concerning the many anti-Bush books that came out? No, it has only been the Democrats who have resorted to such tactics...that should say something about the class Kerry and cohorts have.

Noah, you can believe me when I tell you I am in complete agreement with you on the stem cell research issue. I mentioned here months ago that I disagree with Bush completely on the subject. That does not excuse the fact that Edward's comment was cheap. He said it in such a way that gave the impression that Reeve or others like him could be walking now if it weren't for Bush, which is ridiculous and that's what the building false hopes accusation came from. As you will know it could take years or decades for that to happen, if ever. Yes, we must try but to give the people suffering now the hope that, without Bush to block the research, they may be walking soon is cruel and inhumane.

He sent a message while in a coma?? That's a new one...almost beats out Gore inventing the Internet!
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq (news - web sites)'s interim government complained Wednesday that the United Nations (news - web sites) isn't doing enough to help prepare for January elections, saying the organization has sent fewer electoral workers than it did when tiny East Timor (news - web sites) voted to secede from Indonesia.

The elected assembly is to draft a new constitution in a major step toward democratic rule after decades of tyranny and military occupation.

But Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari complained that the United Nations has not sent enough election experts to help prepare for the balloting.

"It is unfortunate that the contribution and participation of U.N. employees in this process is not up to expectations," Zebari told reporters.

He said the number of U.N. workers expected to help in the election was far smaller than the 300 workers the United Nations sent for the 1999 independence referendum in East Timor.

"Judging by the size of the process in Iraq and its complexity, we definitely need a larger U.N. presence in Iraq, at least to bestow trust upon the electoral process," Zebari said.

Annan said Tuesday in London that he had sought to form a U.N. brigade to guard U.N. workers and facilities so more staffers could be sent in, but complained he had gotten no offers of troops.

U.N. officials in New York said Wednesday that Fiji was the only nation to respond to Annan's request and would send 130 soldiers to Iraq next month to protect senior staff and U.N. offices. Spokesman Marie Okabe said U.N. officials also were talking with the U.S.-led coalition about providing troops to protect the perimeter of U.N. facilities and U.N. staffers working outside the U.N. offices in Baghdad.

Thank God for Fiji otherwise this organization that wanted to take over after the fall of Hussein's regime would appear to have no backbone at all.....gotten too rich and fat from all that food for oil money, I guess....
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Oh, I suppose it was actually Thursday Reeve gave Kerry the message. OK, my corrections there on my part. However, it doesn't change the fact Reeve still left a message for Kerry and that is that, or change what Reeve stood up for much of his life as an activist. That should say enough.

Ooohhhhhh...I'm so glad someone decided to bring up Teresa Heinz Kerry here. Predictable.

I am just astonished at the reaction made over what she said.

In that USA Today interview, she was asked if she'd be any different from Laura Bush as a First Lady! And she said the following:

"Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her validation comes from important things, but different things."

The first thing I noticed some whining about was, "Oh no, Teresa doesn't think teaching is a real job!" and every teacher should feel offended. Not ONCE in either the context of the question or her response is "teacher" even close to being mentioned. Teresa clearly was simply unaware of what Laura has done, like being a teacher for nearly a decade. She just didn't know. And, once she did, she immediately came out and said, "I appreciate and honor Mrs. Bush's service to the country as first lady, and am sincerely sorry I had not remembered her important work in the past."

Secondly, those like Karen Hughes ridiculously overreacted. Oh sure, Teresa's words were a sinister "mind-set that seeks to divide women based on who works at home and who works outside the home." I find that laughable.

Oh, by the way Balladeer, yes, in fact there were many Republicans who attempted to boycott "Fahrenheit 9/11". They were under the name "Move America Forward", headed by Howard Kaloogian. They were encouraging a mass phone call campaign to order all local theaters to blacklist or not to show the film a week before its release. They are also the ones who've produced "Celsius 41.11", one of six anti-Moore productions.

I agree that it was wrong for your local theater not to premiere "Stolen Honor". I do believe it should have the right to be featured there. Now, as far as the Sinclair issue is concerned, the problem I had with their 62 stations originally planning to air that before deciding instead to air on 40 of its stations "A POW Story: Politics, Pressure and the Media," which features various clips from the documentary but features clips from various other documentaries, was not so much simply airing it, but calling it "news" when it clearly isn't. It's based on events 33 years old and is unilateral political propaganda intended to defame Kerry.

As for the new airing Sinclair is planning in their pre-empted schedule, here's what the corporate spokesman had to say about "A POW Story":

"The news special will focus in part on the use of documentaries and other media to influence voting, which emerged during the 2004 political campaigns, as well as on the content of certain of these documentaries," a corporate statement said. "The program will also examine the role of the media in filtering the information contained in these documentaries, allegations of media bias by media organizations that ignore or filter legitimate news and the attempts by candidates and other organizations to influence media coverage."

I hope, of course, they include themselves in this. After all, Sinclair Broadcasting originally considered this partisan propaganda slander "news".

While we're talking about apologies, I'm still waiting to hear the vice president of Sinclair apologize for saying "The networks are acting like Holocaust deniers and pretending these people (the POWs) don't exist. It would be irresponsible to ignore them."

That I find to be far more offensive than anything on either side of the campaign trail.

Oh yeah, and if Kerry apologized to Mary, Dick Cheney himself should be apologizing to to his daughter for bringing her up in the first place.

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Noah Eaton


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quote:
Brad, everyone has missed the real joke out of that exchange though -- in the previous debate he wasn't sure we could trust the (re)importation of drugs from Canada.


Nah, we caught it
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1097808091725_93217291/?hub=Health


I'd like to thank a Pfizer VP of marketing for standing up for attacking the 'unsafe' myth, (though it'll cost him his job) and Bill Maher

"The biggest lie this year about a foreign country, I think, was when during the Medicare debate, people kept saying, well, the seniors want to get their drugs from Canada. But we have to stop that. Even though they're cheaper up there. We have to stop that from going on because, you know what, it's not safe. Yes, Canadian drugs, that's right. It is a third world country.(rolls eyes)"

~Bill Maher on reimportation
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47 posted 10-20-2004 09:52 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Sorry, Noah, but I don't entirely disagree with him. The networks have a good track record for turning a blind eye toward anything detrimental to Kerry. They have not discussed his record (or non-record) at all, did not mention that the 56 bills he said he passed were fictional as the Congressional record clearly shows, nothing about his dubious war record, nothing about how he "forgot" to take his medals with him during the celebration of throwing them away and still has them displayed in his home, have not touched his voting record, which goes against everything he is preaching now.....and a myriad of other points that they would jump on with glee were Kerry the Republican candidate. CLinton got the same courtesy so it's nothing new.

As far as la femme Kerry is concerned, obviously she didn't know. The point is she SHOULD have taken the time to know before issuing such a brainless statement....but that would be expecting a lot from her, I suppose.
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I guess you misunderstood me, Noah.

Reeve dies on Sunday, October 10.  Kerry gives speech on Monday, October 11, about Reeve and how Reeve left him a long voice message that Saturday, October 9.  Kerry didn't know at the time that Reeve had been in a coma since that prior Thursday, October 7.  His spin people and the media connections, or should I say people in cable news who are working directly for the Kerry campaign, quickly saw the gaff and took steps to amend the timeframe so the story would be true.  As the DNC voting manual adroitly states, win at any cost.
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Raph, I think the Canadians SHOULD poke fun at the comparison. It's another point that I disagree with Bush over. We use Canadian drugs in my household.

To change the subject just a tad, a local talk show today was referring to a cartoon that had appeared in a Canadian newspaper. Two convicts were in a prison cell. One asked the other "What are you in for?" The prisoner responded "Murder. I beat my wife to death with baseball bat. How about you?" The other replied, "Hip replacement."

They clarified that if you were American you would not get it. Seems that in Canada there is a 52 week wait for those needing hip replacements. Illegal hip replacement clinics have sprung up, punishable with imprisonment for doctors or patients caught there. Rich Canadians cross the border to have it done in the US. Less financially sound souls can either wait in pain for a year or risk breaking the law at the "illegal" clinics. I guess health care everywhere could use a little "tweaking" once in a while
 
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