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0 posted 08-12-2004 11:34 PM       View Profile for Local Parasite   Email Local Parasite   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Local Parasite's Home Page   View IP for Local Parasite

http://store.yahoo.com/ppfastore/ihadabt.html

Why is it that this sort of thing has to become everyone's business?  Are people so obsessed with pushing some political agenda that they have to wear a t-shirt about it?

I'm sick and tired of seeing everyone push their beliefs around in the public eye.  I've seen one too many political t-shirt that has nothing to say but "this is a person who believes such-and-such a thing."  

It's symbolic of the common, proud attitude that too many people are taking up with their beliefs.  Like their t-shirt, the message is completely outgoing.  It asks no question, it simply makes a statement.  A t-shirt cannot listen, it can only speak.  More and more we're learning to speak more and listen less, which means the things we're saying are less and less informed, because we're less and less interested in learning compared with how interested we are in tossing around our fixed, vacant political repetitions.

Everyone who wears a t-shirt that says something like this is saying "I've got it figured out, so listen to what I have to say."  Why is pride so popular?  Whatever happened to clever t-shirt slogans that have some kind of humourous and politically empty statement that everyone can love, like "I'm with stupid," or something to that effect?  
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1 posted 08-13-2004 02:07 AM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Why not one that just reads
     nuke-ular
ie, the same message as the one you mentioned? Sorry, American politics are making me a bit crazy lately.
I understand this, and sure wouldn't mind seeing less pre-packaged slogans.
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2 posted 08-14-2004 11:35 AM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

People like that just want to piss others off and be political. If they want to, they can make their own shirts... I hope the people marketing this crap lose millions..

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3 posted 08-17-2004 01:09 AM       View Profile for Kaoru   Email Kaoru   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kaoru

Hmm.. I don't know what to say. I looked at the first t-shirt that popped up on my screen after opening the link, and needless to say, I felt a little sick to my stomach.

I don't know why this is something that anyone would be proud of.. I mean, I'm not condemning them, but why would anyone in their right mind want to say that this made them proud enough to spend 20 dollars on a t-shirt that clearly states it? It just seems a little odd to me, and I'm not exactly in my own right mind half the time.

I'd veiw anyone wearing a shirt like that as a "scarlet letter" type of situation. It's not something I'd be proud to wear, it's also not something I'd want people to know. It makes the world seem so impersonal..

Nothing is private anymore?
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The shirt is offered by
www.soapboxinc.com

I think that kinda says it all.

The people who wear such things are trying (crudely) to open a dialogue.

I see your point in that it tends to be montonous when confronted with deliberately inflammatory slogans.

But actually I have to wonder if the topic wasn't more distressing than anything else.

My first day in Disney World happened to be Gay & Lesbian Day. There was one particular t-shirt that seemed popular with the gay gentlemen--

it was a t-shirt of extra length (generally it stopped just short of the knees) with a simple line drawn right around the crotch area with the familiar tagline: "Must be this tall to ride."

and grumble, yeah, it was offensive, (I felt it a little too pedophilia favored)and it was difficult to explain to my kids too, but I would prefer that difficulty than explaining to my kids why they can't wear a cannibal corpse tee...

sigh.

What's wrong with a simple tie-dye?

grin?

Consider it a heads up. A full frontal alert that a person is to be avoided.



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5 posted 08-17-2004 03:35 PM       View Profile for Kaoru   Email Kaoru   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kaoru

Aww.. crap.

I just remembered that I wear a Cannibal Corpse t-shirt on occasion..

I am no better.
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Well, Kaoru, all sarcasm aside, you do have the right to wear it.

(although my son can't wear his to school, apparently, much to my shock, I hadn't realized what was on the back of the thing)

But I shrugged at that and shrugged at the above. The point is not which sloganizing is more atrocious, but which alternative is the more outrageous.

But then after taking the temperature around the forum today, I think I'll just shaddup.

Usually when I think everybody's crazy I'm the one who should shaddup.

(And if it's the political stance that bothered you about the shirt, you should see some of the anti-abortion shirts I've seen. Not pretty.)
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7 posted 08-18-2004 12:31 AM       View Profile for Kaoru   Email Kaoru   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kaoru

As far as abortion is concerned, I'm pro-choice. I don't know if I should get in to that in this thread.

Cannibal Corpse is silly. I mean, really, how many adults (and even kids within the age range of 13-19) really take them seriously?  I'd say it's a little different because they (the band) uses it's "sick" images, not for political reasons, but for "shock value".

I can't be held accountable for my shirts, really, because none of them make a political statement such as "I hate homosexuals", or "I had an abortion". I never say much to people who have a different opinion than I do about politics, because it's pointless to argue someone's personal beliefs. Even if they seem very illogical to me.

I'd rather see a Cannibal Corpse t-shirt, though, but that's just my thing. I don't want to know all about what a woman chose to do with her unborn child unless I ask, just like I don't want to know someone's stance on Kerry unless I ask. With offensive t-shirts, I'd say I'm more offended by that shirt than any other metal band t-shirt I've ever seen.

That's really saying a lot, because there's a lot of bad one's out there. lol

Perhaps I'm being too harsh......
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I think perhaps we just miscommunicated.

I'm not offended by t-shirts of any kind.

That was my point.
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Serenity,

Is there a difference between being offended and annoyed?  I think so... I'm not offended by t-shirts like this.  It just bugs me the lengths someone will go to in order to (as you said) open a dialogue.

Kaoru,

I have a KMFDM shirt that I really like, I wear it all of the time.  It says OPIUM on it, and depicts a man smoking a big pipe and a woman smiling euphorically.  I never really thought it had any political implications, it's just a shirt for a band I like... but I guess I can see how some people might find it offensive?

Would you be willing to admit that, to at least some extent, we wear band t-shirts in order to open a dialogue, too?  I think that the difference is that our shirts are aiming at a dialogue that's a lot less political and more recreational, so to speak.  I've actually met people by commenting on the bands on their t-shirts, with whom I now speak on a regular basis.  That sounds stupid but I swear I'm not making it up...

If I saw you wearing a Cannibal Corpse t-shirt I'd probably smirk, but not really take offense of any kind.  I don't think anybody's going to think you're chasing some "I had an abortion" or "I hate homosexuals" confrontation by wearing it.  You're just trying to say "I like Cannibal Corpse, who else does?  Talk to me if you do!  Tell me you like my t-shirt."

In a way it's not really any better, but I think it's clear that there's less arrogance involved in the wearing of band t-shirts than "I had an abortion."  
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laughing...I really need to clear something up. I was not offended by my son's cannibal corpse t-shirt. (If I were, it would have disappeared in the laundry--and even THAT is a joke, 'cause as a mom, I don't work that way) The SCHOOL was offended by the t-shirt as it depicted a sex act on the back of it. And yes, I told him it was innappropriate to wear to school because THEY deemed it inappropriate. He can wave his freak flag on his own time, until then, I'm responsible for him, so I rule. End of discussion with him on THAT. So being a kid, naturally he started testing my boundaries. He then got a t-shirt that was just this side of racist, with a rebel flag. (He knows very well how I feel about that.) He came out of his bedroom grinning, asking if I was going to let him wear that. I told him that he was begging for a butt-whupping but not from me--and to go ahead and wear the shirt, but I wanted him to notice the mentality of those who complimented him on his taste while wearing it. (I also mentioned that if he wanted to look like one of his father's friends, he should learn to yell "FREEBIRD", drink beer, and lose a few I.Q. points.) He retired that one on his own.

As I stated in my first reply, such a shirt is merely a wrapper, advertising the mentality of the person wearing it. It doesn't offend, nor does it insult me. In fact, it tends to alert me and amuse me.

In fact, I have thought up my own:

"Only Idiots Wear Slogans"



Peace? <--that's a classic and doesn't count as a slogan.
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11 posted 08-18-2004 03:45 PM       View Profile for Kaoru   Email Kaoru   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kaoru

Heh.

Para - I will admit that some of my t-shirts ARE offensive, I knew this when I bought them. To be honest, at the time, I didn't care too much about the reactions of other people. I just thought the band was cool, and somehow I was doing a service to them by spending money on their merchandise. It really ISN'T any better, my knowing full well the reactions that some people will have. I do offend people, but I also don't wear my Cannibal Corpse t-shirt in public anymore.


Seren - I totally understood all of your comments. I think you're right. I'm going to put on my shirt that says, "Kiss me, I'm Irish".

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12 posted 08-18-2004 07:50 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

belief?

i'd be more inclined to label it "marketing" and be done with the facade. whether for an idea or tangible product, it's all advertising.

as to something so blatant as this... well, shock certainly does provoke conversation (note this thread), which is the keystone of good marketing. everyone who clicks on the links above is promoting this company's marketing campaign... even if they're against it.
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How is wearing a band t-shirt with a poltical message really all that different than wearing a shirt with just a political message? I used to have the Ministry t-shirt with the cover of Filthpig on it... it basically had a guy waving an American flag but covered in blood, and the back of the shirt had a swastika on it. Hmm... sure, that's not indicative of any sort of anti-establishment political stance is it?

I also see a problem in assuming the statement "I had an abortion" tells you a person's political stance. Did you know that some poeple become pro-life after they have abortions? Did you know that a lot of women have spontaneous abortions, produced by their own bodies? Did you consider that maybe poeple who have had abortions might be trying to seek each other out, or to shake the shame they feel or that they feel society has placed on them? Maybe the shirt just says "Hey, if you've also had an abortion, come talk to me... maybe we can share our experience." I mean... would you fault someone who wore a shirt saying "I'm a recovering alcoholic" or a gay pride shirt? It seems more like an identity issue than a poltical issue.

Now, if the shirt said "I support abortion," then I'd be inclined to agree with you that it speaks the person's poltical stance.

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14 posted 08-18-2004 08:56 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

As always hush, you tiptoe in and speak quiet good sense.

Excellent point.
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15 posted 08-19-2004 03:29 AM       View Profile for Kaoru   Email Kaoru   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kaoru

I think I should step out of this thread. I'm pregnant, so I may make this more of an issue than it really is.

Sorry.
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16 posted 08-19-2004 05:59 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Meg...no need to apologize. It was about halfway through this thread that I remembered you were expecting, so forgive ME for being thoughtless and insensitive.

Be well and be happy.
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Tee shirts
Most of mine are of three categories
Solid colors either black or white
Location I have been i.e. Niagara Falls, Florida, Mystic Connecticut
Or one I only were around the house, corporate logos and silly slogans.
I go to great degrees to dress understated and remain unnoticed
Why would I want to make any statement.
Want a statement, ask me a question
We’ll talk.

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Tiptoeing? I thought I just got here late...
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19 posted 08-19-2004 04:22 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

grin..it's just the name "hush"...I picture you tiptoeing about the forum, quietly fighting injustice, maybe with a cotton cape?

I've got this wicked imagination, forgive me.



I do admire your clarity and intelligence, however I may jest...
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20 posted 08-19-2004 09:45 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

The thing about the name... it was intended to remind me to shut up once in a while (didn't really work) and I thought it sounded a little better than, uh, "shut up" would.

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There is a T shirt being sold on the Internet, to Palestinian activists (infitada) and supporters.
It has a picture of a bullet, and the caption reads:
Israeli Crowd Control.
I nearly puked when I saw this.

It is being sold by a company called Cafe.com, which offers you the opportunity to wear any saying you choose, ie, wear your beliefs.
I just might not ever buy another T shirt.
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22 posted 08-24-2004 12:25 AM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Well I'm safe.  I wear "Born To Shop," but on purpose, it keeps men at arm's length.

On a serious note though, I don't care for slogans that are screen-printed on anything and sold that are in bad taste, and for sure those I have noticed sell the most.  Christopher is absolutely right, it's all really about marketing.  Why in heck would anyone pay these companies to walk around doing their marketing for them?  The last time I worked I think I got paid for doing a job, not the other way around   I am also guilty of having bought "name-brand shirts and jeans" like anyone else, until someone explained the process of who actually made them to me, and who got rich off of the sale of them.  Until they begin offering me money to wear them, I think I will stick to plain ones.

I agree with you also Bri, it is about getting communication going when one wears these shirts, and draws similar people together quite quickly, or drives others away.
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Well, those slogan shirts aren't necessarily marketing for the company that makes them... they might be marketing an idea, but it's not like the shirt says "I had an abortion at Planned Parenthood" or something... there is no company represented. At best, it represents a certain group of women and at worst, it represents a political idealogy... who's the marketing for?

now, slogans like "Property of Abercrombie and Fitch" are another story, but I think most poeple wear those to avoid attention for their clothes rather than to catch it.

Also:

"I am also guilty of having bought "name-brand shirts and jeans" like anyone else, until someone explained the process of who actually made them to me, and who got rich off of the sale of them.  Until they begin offering me money to wear them, I think I will stick to plain ones."

Do you think the "plain" jeans are cheaper because those companies pay American workers a living wage? The same poor people do the dirty work, it's just that the markup isn't as high and the names "Arizona" or "Canyon River Blues" aren't as cool as "Aeropostale" or "American Eagle."

Seriously, go to any store and look for American (or other developed coutries) made clothes. I've tried. It's a laughing matter.
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All my T-shirts say

I belong to the addicted Kevin Costner support Group...hehehhehe
 
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