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0 posted 07-11-2004 10:33 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer


We have certainly seen plenty of discussions here critical of Bush expressing desires that he not be re-elected but I have seen no discussions about why Kerry SHOULD be elected. The major thing that Kerry seems to have going for him is that he is NOT Bush! It's as if people are saying, "It couldn't be worse!" To those people I would like to say, "Yes, it could." Since 9-11, there have been no terrorist attacks on the United States. Bin Laden and other terrorist groups have declared war on the US, in particular, and would like nothing more than to launch another 9/11. There are those would would say that the terrorist groups are after the US due to Bush's actions. To those people I would remind them that there were seven attacks on the US, here and abroad, during the 1990's, including the first attempt to blow up the World Trade Center. Their goal is, and has been, to destroy the United States and all democratic countries, using whatever means necessary. To think that 9/11 was to be their last terrorist action would be foolhardy indeed.

Kerry has now chosen a VP candidate he chided in the Democratic primaries as having no international experience and was "running around in diapers" when Kerry was serving in Viet-Nam. Is this the time for on-the-job training?

I will certainly say there are things about Bush I con't care for. I don't like his stance on stem cell research, his policies on immigration and his failure to have an exit strategy for Iraq, among other things - but I, like many voters, will take into account the point I mentioned above plus the fact that no one is FOR Kerry (as opposed to being against Bush) and vote for what I believe is best for the country. Could it be worse? Oh, yes, it could.....

For those who would rather see Kerry as president, I would like to see your viewpoints on why you feel John Kerry would be better for the United States. I've not seen it here and I've not seen it in any newspapers or on any news stations.

Why not Kerry? Tell me WHY Kerry, please...
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Actually, although I'm really pissed at the Bush administration, my mind is not completely made up. I'm still hoping for miracles.

Like a Lone Ranger.

(and no, Ralph Nader would like that job, but it ain't happenin' for me.)

but bless you my buddy for seeing the obvious. Being a citizen of LOUISIANA, and having had the choice of Edwin Edwards & David Duke, I can appreciate your point.

(The state of Louisiana welcome the rest of the nation to our nightmare.)

gawd I do love this place



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2 posted 07-11-2004 10:57 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

LOL! I can understand the David Duke dilemma! Well, the Bayou State has one thing going for it.....it's got you!

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Well I have been well I know.

Basically war is bad. Bush started the war. Kerry is a demacrate. well fair. Bush is "illiterate" as aenimal says. I think He meant stupid or speech inpediment.

Its been amusing. I am very conservative. But not an neo conserv. You know when I pick who to vote for I right down the things I believe in and compare it with the canidates. personally Edwards was Kerry's second choice and they said some nasty things. They weren't even civalized. Now there to gether. This worried me. I tell you later its getting late
to be continued....


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I can't say I really like Kerry, while he's not a great choice, held up against Bush's track record the choice becomes clearer. It's not simply a mtter of Bush, it's the administration he's surrounded himself. The ethically challenged Cheney, Rumsfield's shiftiness, and the once greatly respected Powell's handling of intelligence.

Why Kerry?

A rethinking of foreign policy

Stem cell research shouldn't even be an issue, but it is, and an incredibly important one.

Environmental issues

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First, let me make it clear that I do not necessarily like Kerry either. I also find it troubling that we keep torturing ourselves under this rigid two-party rigmarole into forcing to vote for candidates such as these two.

Here we are caught in this "lesser of two evils" debate as many have been considering it. I personally don't like to consider anyone evil in definition, just simply wronged.

I've already made it clear that I am against war, and I am aware that Kerry did also decide to support action against terrorists in the beginning. I also recognize that he has a tendency to lean both ways on some issues so he doesn't exactly stand firm on what he believes.

Nevertheless, I am voting for Kerry, as I recognize the tough climate right now that if so many vote for Nader then Bush may take the election. It is tough for me, but I consider it a small price to pay for the much larger cost Bush has put on many.

Edwards is actually the person I look up to on the ticket, not Kerry himself. It's true Edwards doesn't have much political experience, but experience isn't everything in politics. Spirit is also an essential quality, and Edwards has an engaging, enthusiastic personality that I think many have been yearning for in a leader. When Kerry seems to be a lackluster face, Edwards will give him a strong shoulder I believe, and his nimble, charismatic self will be capable of filling the presidental seat in the near future.

My vote for Kerry-Edwards is really a default move. Bush ruined the opportunity to establish stronger ties to the world after 9/11 in choosing to go to war upon misleading intelligence, in a country that wasn't even directly impossible (if even at all) for the attacks, and I personally don't feel safe having a war profitter as the VP.

In addition, he is one of the worst environmental presidents we've ever had, his desire to draft a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage could cripple gays and lesbians as secondary citizens, the No Child Left Behind Act is shameful and disrespectful to the rights of our teachers and treat our children like fast food hamburgers on a conveyer belt, and on top of all that, the Patriot Act has devastated civil liberties and freedoms here, encouraging racial profiling, police brutality and wrongful accusation, already resulting to 14,000 wrongful deportations of those innocent of terrorism convictions.

John Kerry is not my ideal leader, but I understand the consequences here. It is heartbreaking indeed what options we're reduced to. We need a change, and we need it now, and where I can't see it in Kerry, I see something in Edwards I can only hope is not fools gold. But knowing what Bush has wronged, I've got to take that chance.

I feel the least Kerry could benefit over Bush is keep to his word in improving worldly relations. That is vital in establishing a worldly community. There I have faith.

Sincerely,
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What Noah has to say here is what I believe the majority in the country may see, as well, including me.  Noah, that was eloquently put, by the way.  Edwards is a winner and his addition to the ticket just may pull it off for Kerry.  It is so hard to see the truth through all the fog that surrounds Bush.  We just have the results to weigh....and they are not good.  
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Okay, so I couldn't sleep.  To be fair, here are some more links....these are the other side of the story, mostly.  There's a lot of information out there discrediting both candidates, much the same way.  Really makes one wonder.  

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?
http://www.realchange.org/kerry.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread60637/pg1
http://www.nojohnkerry.org/oped.htm  
http://www.crushkerry.com/article59.html  
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/062003.shtml  
http://www.california-recall.com/candidate-pages/john-kerry.html  
http://www.conspiracyworld.com/index0090.htm  
http://www.conspiracyworld.com/index0084.htm
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I mostly agree with Noah.

Isn't it funny, so many people hate having Bush in office so much that we'll vote for a guy we don't even like just because he's not Bush? Balladeer, you might see that as a flaw in those who will vote for him, and maybe you're even right... but look at that for a second. What kind of president drives us to do such a thing?
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Maybe it is as simple as Hillary said:  Two Johns are better than one.  Is that a New York street lady for you or what?
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why not DEER????  thats who I am voting for!


sorry I dont really like either one, and like Karen said I am hoping for a miracle! who knows it could happen right?
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LOL, Icebox!
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hehehehhee, icebox, your bad.

I'm with the majority, I don't care for either candidate...and in the long run...you know we've got to pick one of the candidates "They've" given us....I for one, would like to nominate your average everyday man/woman, whose down here with us...you know, someone who'd be more concerned about doing his job "for" the people.  Left or Right or inbetween, I'm not happy with either party....
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Juju...thanks for your input.

Aenimal...A "rethinking" of foreign policy" doesn't tell me much. He has stated he wants to develop more ties with the UN, disregarding the fact that Bush tried for 14 months to work with them over Iraq, but he doesn't say how.

Environmental Issues - What exactly are Kerry's views on environmental issues? I looked and I can't find any that deal with any specifics. Try this site and see what you come up with (not a conservative site, btw). http://www.issues2000.org/John_Kerry.htm

You had mentioned once your disgust at Bush pulling out the Kyoto Protocol. This was the reasoning he gave...

As you know, I oppose the Kyoto Protocol because it exempts 80 percent of the world, including major population centers such as China and India, from compliance, and would cause serious harm to the U.S. economy.  The Senate's vote, 95-0, shows that there is a clear consensus that the Kyoto Protocol is an unfair and ineffective means of addressing global climate change concerns.

Actually, he is right. China is the largest contributor of the greenhouse effect (National Geographic, March 2004) and yet it is exempt from the Kyoto Protocol, being defined as a "developing nation." Ditto for India. The Kyoto Protocol cannot work without the biggest contributors to global warming being excused from it. Actually, for Bush to tell them to go take a hike, a very unpopular thing to do, showed a good amount of intestinal fortitude, in my opinion, placing the interests of the US over personal popularity.

Stem cell research.....I agree completely.

Noah, it's always a pleasure to read your comments because there is never a doubt in the sincerity of your replies. Experience may not be everything in politics but it is certainly important and one doesn't command respect simply by having an engaging, pleasing personality. As the leader of Qatar said on 60 Minutes in describing Arab respect for Bush, "This is not Mr. Roger's neighborhood over here. We respect power, strength and action. Bush has the respect of the Arab world, even among those who hate him."

The rest of your reply is anti-Bush and not pro-Kerry, which is the topic of this thread.    You appear to be one of the "It couldn't be any worse" thinkers, which is fine. I hope you are right, my friend.

Iliana...Edwards may be a winner but his entrance on to the ticket has not shown to make any difference at all. The polls actually went up for Bush after the announcement.

The country may well indeed see it the way you think they will but I find that unlikely, security being such an important topic in today's world. If a thug accosts you in an alley, who do you want defending you - a Hell's Angel or a soap opera actor?

Thanks for the fog but the thread is still on the subject of "Why not Kerry?" and not anti-anyone.

Hush...It is Bush's fault that we not going to vote for him because he is forcing us to by being what he is...thanks for such an  innovative approach.

icebox....LOL! True enough if you're dealing with toilets! ( you sure Hillary didn't say "Jane"'s )

Greeneyes....no thanks!! I have slunk (or is that slinked) down from the platform...who needs it??? I appreciate your vote, though, and I,too, hope for miracles
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Lee J....I think you've said it all and expressed the views of many. It all goes back to my "Could it be worse?" question. If one doesn't think it could, Kerry might be the way to go...who knows? Thanks for responding
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quote:
"Aenimal...A "rethinking" of foreign policy" doesn't tell me much"

My views on Bush's policy are available in other threads, at this point doing the opposite of what Bush has is good enough But I too wish Kerry would be a little more specific.

quote:
You had mentioned once your disgust at Bush pulling out the Kyoto Protocol

Deer, Deer, Deer, you have to get your facts straight. You've absolutely picked the wrong guy, that was j0n4th4n's thread, I simply popped in and joked:

Well, in considering that:
A. methane negatively effects the ozone layer
B. a major source of methane is manure
C. Bush and administration have been shovelling it for years now,
we can in fact conclude that George Bush is responsible, at least in part, for global warming

As for Kerry's views he's supported environmental bills in the past and i assume he will continue in the future.

quote:
Stem cell research.....I agree completely.


It happens from time to time..lol

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17 posted 07-12-2004 01:45 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Balladeer: The polls went up for Bush not because of Edwards being selected as Kerry's running-mate but because of his growing numbers on the economy.

When I look at the coalition in Iraq right now, I notice there's only one Arab nation representing it. It shouldn't explain everything, but it can argue a lot. You may think that this war has made the world safer and is not inciting terrorists, while I think that this war has only angered terrorists and in fact has only encouraged further recruitment and divisions in the region.

This is a huge question that will be central to this years election, and we are perhaps on opposite ends of the spectrum here. I believe in the latter personally, and Bush in the former. Kerry at first did vote in favor of taking action, but I believe regrets it now with the weak intelligence theses in claiming the need for action, which the turning point may be evident in his voting against the $87 billion bill, and says in his administration they'd only go to war when they have to. Though me and Kerry may differ in definition over situations in which we "have to", his belief in reason over ideology when it comes to war and serious matters in the world is one big step closer to me.

Kerry is all over the place on some issues I agree it is hard to keep up. But I do know he's had a history of being pro-environment and he can definitely recover from Bush's huge anti-environmental administration I imagine. And though he originally voted for the Patriot Act, he is now critical of it and I believe he's going to make profiling and security more fair instead of bothersome. At least I hope so, but I've got to take a chance.

I actually feel it helps to try and venture all over the place on some issues. Changing positions can be kind of annoying, but it says to me that perhaps Kerry actually thinks the issues over a lot. Some may argue he only flip-flops selfishly in the pursuit of potential votes, but Kerry apparently feels on some issues I believe. I feel he wants some conservatives to know he is doing all he can to adhere to their values as well. Though flip-flopping can be dangerous sometimes, I believe I'd prefer a contemplative leader over a stubborn one. I agree that it helps to have a leader who is firm and puts his foot down on some stances, but Bush to me is incredibly stubborn, sacrificing hearing others opinions in keeping "strong". I understand everyone has their own opinion of what "strong" is, but stubbornness is not a synonym of it in my book.

As I've already mentioned, I'm aware of the title of this thread, and I don't fervently support Kerry and am voting for him by default. When I see one wrong very much, my philosophy is "Give the other guy a chance!". Why not Kerry? You'll just have to trust me and find out! It's not much of an answer, but decent enough I believe.

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18 posted 07-12-2004 01:59 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Noah...

Kerry at first did vote in favor of taking action, but I believe regrets it now

Kerry is all over the place on some issues I agree it is hard to keep up.

though he originally voted for the Patriot Act, he is now critical of it and I believe he's going to make profiling and security more fair instead of bothersome


I think that sums it up pretty well, Noah.

my philosophy is "Give the other guy a chance!". Why not Kerry?

Chance involves gambling. Think of what you're gambling, Noah. It's not a ball game where you are going to let the fat, little kid who never gets a chance to play pinch-hit in the ninth. It is the security and lives of your fellow Americans....I hope you're right.

Again, you have answered "..because he is not Bush". That's fine, Noah. It's your right to feel that way
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19 posted 07-12-2004 02:18 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

Where did I specifically say "because he is not Bush?". I intend that point somehow, but I never actually said that.

It kind of sounds to me when you read my last response, those parts you bold-faced screamed out at you while around it hummed in bass. I say very well within there that I am aware and even critical of Kerry's contemplativeness, sometimes indecisiveness perhaps, but that feeling the issues and being contemplative is also a benefit above stubborn qualities in someone. What you quoted indeed explains something, but it didn't explain all I said. I do criticize Kerry's gumby-neck but I would prefer a gumby-neck over a chrome-plated foot.

This decision is not merely by chance but by the beliefs and doctrines I follow. I know, I know, I said "I've got to take that chance!". But it isn't all just a gamble. I'm aware Kerry isn't an excellent, perhaps even great candidate to me, but some of his beliefs match me better in comparison to Bush, and what Bush has done contradicts a number of my beliefs. In addition, I have already explained why Edwards brings me hope to his ticket, and that gives me more reason to pick his ticket. It's not like I'm taking my choices and hammering them in a Yahtzee cup. I take them to heart too, and my decision is based very much out of an aesthetic response, but I take time to think also. Much of what Kerry lacks, Edwards will help him I'm sure.

Of course that discussion should belong in another thread! Anyone want to open up a Why not Edwards thread?

Sincerely,
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Balladeer, the fear is, which might be the lesser of two evils?   We won't know until he's in office, if he's voted in?  And then, it won't be as simply as a dry run...yes, it could get worse...

My concerns are immigration...corporate leaders, theft of our freedom, slowing chipping away to gain control....

I heard a story, and I don't know how true it is...but a 60 year old man was working out in the gym with his buddies...he made some dirogatory comment about Bush, the next day, guess who was knocking at his door?

Give up?  The FBI, can you imagine....so I'm wondering just how free we really are...

also have to laugh to myself about their statements against each other, instead of patitioning what each of them intend to do.  We have so become a world of gossip looking for the absolute worst in others....Blame it all on Soap Operas...who the heck cares?

I mean, that show ET about all the movie stars...and they call that entertainment...I call it an insult to our integrity?  

Then there is the immigration issue...how long will we be able to continue to pay for these people?  I mean, I have no problem with people becoming a citizen of this country, but without pride, without respect for our language, or our laws?  Taking advantage of every free handout they can get?

To me, so many people should be allowed through immigration per month...maybe only 15 people.  Keep it small so that records can be kept straight.  They must obtain a job within so many days...they must go to school to learn our language and our laws.  And becoming a US Citizen to them should be a priviledge.  And if you are not a US Citizen, then you shouldn't be allowed to vote?  How can someone who is not learned of our ways, laws, language, possible vote in a responsible way?  

To me, everyone makes this situation out to be such a horendous task...to me, its a simple no brainer??????

Anyway, thank you kindly for allowing me to express my opinion....again...give us someone appropriate to vote for....I fear this country has been in danger for many many years...I mean, keeping so many secrets, is kinda like a lack of education...
isn't it....not to mention, we're they're bosses, are we not?  Things have become indignat, these guys actually think they deserve the wasteful spending and hey, why not, they're not paying for it, are they?  

Please remember, always..."One line veto votes"  and whenever they promise to make things better, where is the money coming from?  

If you ask me...hehehhehe, those guys should come down from their high horses, do they're jobs for less pay.  Now that would be a humble gesture. Can you imagine...the President stands on national TV and says, this year, there will be no more taxes, b/c there will be frugle spending methods...and...we are going to accept less pay...just like the working class of the US.  They've forgotten, we're the ones that make them look good?  Right...

OK...I'll shut up now
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LeeJ, I think I may just write you in.....lol!
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(giggles) Is it too late to sign her in?

Love,
Noah Eaton

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Very good, 'Deer.  Weighing the lesser of the two evils [as I, for one, do not think that Bush "started" the war - he only "re"-acted to motions put into place by previous and other powers, and not only that, with less military than we had prior to Clinton's regime...]

How am I going to vote?  Wisely.  However, Kerry's selecting Edwards as VP was a knee-jerk reaction to his read on his unpopularity; and I have never yet understood how they can say in the primarys one thing - and turn around and hug each other in the next moment.  That sounds like a bad marriage to me...

I had hoped Edwards would turn him down, because I WOULD like to see Edwards in office, but I DO think he needs more time as a Senator in order to get the clear picture, and STILL RETAIN his own moral, educated thoughts.  [He does come across to me as someone who can't be bought...]

I'm sure you can realize by now which way my vote will swing...ok, so we'll have for more years of Bush - but I refuse to run the potential of having eight years of Kerry...and Mrs. Heinz.
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Noah....

First, let me make it clear that I do not necessarily like Kerry either.

Nevertheless, I am voting for Kerry, as I recognize the tough climate right now that if so many vote for Nader then Bush may take the election.

My vote for Kerry-Edwards is really a default move.

John Kerry is not my ideal leader, but I understand the consequences here. It is heartbreaking indeed what options we're reduced to

I can only hope is not fools gold. But knowing what Bush has wronged, I've got to take that chance.

I'm aware of the title of this thread, and I don't fervently support Kerry and am voting for him by default.

Where did you specifically say "because he is not Bush, Noah? In every line mentioned above.

The polls went up for Bush not because of Edwards being selected as Kerry's running-mate but because of his growing numbers on the economy.

Well, by all means, get Bush out of there. We  can't have that happening!!!

I do criticize Kerry's gumby-neck but I would prefer a gumby-neck over a chrome-plated foot.

Well, I can't disagree with THAT!! LOLOL!!!

As always, Noah, I appreciate your input...
 
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