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75 posted 07-15-2004 09:59 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Noah...

I am voting for Kerry by default

Why can't you realize that those words translate directly into "...because he is not Bush"?

You were for Kerry and against Bush long before he selected Edwards as a running mate so what was your reasoning then?

As far as "But, let's face the facts. 9/11 occurred during Bush's term", that statement makes absolutely no sense at all. It was years in the planning. If it had happened during Clinton's term, you would have blamed Clinton then? If those evil Republicans had not stolen the election and Gore had been elected, 9/11 would have been Gore's fault then? C'mon, Noah.....
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76 posted 07-15-2004 10:46 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

No! You were only half right in the following statement:

"You were for Kerry and against Bush long before he selected Edwards as a running mate"

I was clearly against Bush but I hadn't really made up my mind how I was going to vote. Kucinich and Edwards were the two Democratic nominees I looked up to, but Kerry turned me off a bit.

It's possible had Kerry chosen someone other than Edwards I might still had voted for him, partially in faith of foreign relation improvements and policy, but I would have also refused to vote over voting for Nader, in that otherwise he didn't illuminate at all. Not voting for everyone is a choice too, that alone is a political statement. Believe me, I think over things just as you do and my reasons aren't so shallow. Edwards really gave me the full courage in voting for his party.

And, c'mon, you know well what terrorists want! You know they don't care how they do it or when they do it, all that matters is that they do it. And, yes, I am aware of the 1993 attempt to blow up the World Trade Center, not to mention the several other al-Qaeda efforts prior to the Clinton Administration. But, let's face it, the Bush Administration was just as lazy-eyed as the Clinton Administration was entering office up till 9/11, and I think anyone can agree more could have been done as defense is considered. So, according to your argument, if this was planned for years prior to 9/11, then shouldn't the Bush Administration had set an example and taken our domestic security and defense more seriously?

Now you're probably going to say it's unlikely I would have said the same thing had Al Gore, who should be in office now, been leading the nation during 9/11, because you'll never witness the caption. No, I would have made the same criticism to any administration, as I had criticized the Clinton Administration on domestic defense.

Every minute means a lot, and I believe myself 9/11 didn't have to happen.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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77 posted 07-15-2004 11:04 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Ok, Noah. We'll leave it at that. For this thread I would like to get back to the main topic, which is the support anyone has for Kerry and what initiates it...
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I agree, Balladeer. Even if we digressed a bit here, I very much enjoy talking to you over these matters, I deeply appreciate it, yay!

Now, here's another thought on Kerry.

I believe by the time the debates roll around, we'll probably then know some of Kerry's true stances on some issues, and perhaps those who do see something particular in Kerry's eyes will justify some broader conclusions in voting for him. When you're in a square-horse stance, then it is easier to look someone in the eye and judge the character in earnest. Kerry is apparently still getting his priorities organized, so when you're wobbling like a hula-skirt dancer doll you only get a glimpse of the person's eye and you tend to miss something. By the time he gets organized, then I think we'll know the general position.

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Noah Eaton



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79 posted 07-15-2004 11:18 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

You have a point there, Noah. Kerry is obviously a more-polished speaker than Bush. If he comes across as believable, his chances of coming out ahead in the debates is possible. Personally,I have a hard time envisioning him as coming across as believeable but who knows? Gore was a more-polished speaker, too, but he was his own worst enemy by lying in the debates...it will be interesting to watch.

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80 posted 07-15-2004 11:24 PM       View Profile for Tim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tim

Ron, you assumed most Senators do not have a good voting record.  I believe that to be a false statement.  I agree one should not jump to false assumptions.

"As one delves more deeply, the question might arise as to why NONE of our Senators in recent history even approaches a hundred percent voting record."  

You also assumed by your responses that I was supporting Bush by my comments.  Or at least that is the only logical conclusion I could draw from the Governor Bush comment.  

I never indicated nor implied leanings towards President Bush. The only other politician I did mention was Dole who in my opinion did the honorable thing and resigned his Senate seat to run for President.  

Am I to assume that since Bush ran for president while governor that makes it right for Kerry to neglect his Senatorial duties to run for President?  Don't think so.

I do not know if Bush neglected his duties as governor or not.  If he did, my position is the same as towards Kerry.

Does an incumbent have an advantage? Without doubt.  Does an incumbent campaign?
Without doubt.  Does the average politician neglect his or her duties when they run for reelection?  Got some doubt there.

Does an exfootball player or coach have an advantage in winning political office?  Or how about a television or movie star?  Does a wealthy individual have an advantage running for office? (take you pick on Kerry or Bush, Cheney or Edwards, I don't care)
Can a Joe Schmo make it as a politician?  Clinton certainly made it.

An incumbent has name recognition, but they also have to defend their performance.  Lot easier to attack and not defend, especially when you do not have anything to defend against.  Ask Kerry or Bush on that one.

I suspect the average politician, even with his or her incumbency, would not like to run on the platform I was gone from the job over 90 per cent of the time.  And it doesn't matter a whit whether you are Democrat or Republican.
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81 posted 07-15-2004 11:28 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

quote:
Maybe Presidents, Senators, and Governors should all be forced to resign in their third year, so they can spend their fourth one getting re-elected?

Actually, I kind of like that idea, not because it would give the job to someone more willing to focus on it (I trust good leaders to delegate wisely), but because it might eliminate some of the short-term, bread-and-circus thinking we often see from incumbents as an election draws near.

Ron, you took the words right out of my brain. Thank you! A circus is exactly what the presidential elections are, and a third rate circus at best.
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Precisely my point, Michael!

As of right now, it may be a bit unfair to label him as a big fat liar while he's all over the place on some certain issues.

BUT, by the time the debates come around, there's a golden opportunity for Kerry. Kerry can either have his conscience cleared by being loyal to his positions, or then we can truly criticize him as a liar if he continues to contradict himself.

And believe me, if he does the latter, I will be speaking in response to him in the same disapproving convincing tone I have been over Bush for three years now.

I believe that is fair enough.

So, with that said, I suppose it's not all too suprising there hasn't been a lot of illumination to this thread. But there'll be a lot to talk about in the four months ahead, we can count on that!



Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

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You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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83 posted 07-16-2004 01:57 PM       View Profile for Tim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tim

I did a google search on "Kerry" and "positions"
It came back to "John Kerry's principled positions"
I clicked on that and was told no web pages fit that description but did I mean
John Kerry's flip-flops...
Heck, anyone who wears flip-flops gets my vote.
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Well, I guess that's as good a reason to vote for Kerry as any other I have heard so far
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I'm sure I'll take some heat for this, but I'd like to remind you all of a political truth ...

In partisan politics, you're not really voting for the person, you're voting for the party.  Charisma and character and voting record are all well and good, but the truth is that members of the Democratic and Republican parties are going to act along party lines 99% of the time.  Their ideas are not their own, really ... they only get labeled as such because of political support given.

You don't have to like everything about a given party, but my advice would be to examine the respective party platforms in lieu of the candidates, and vote according to which one of them more closely matches your views.
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86 posted 07-16-2004 08:39 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

ROTFLMAO at Tim's above 'flip-flops' reply.
You just gotta love that image!
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87 posted 07-17-2004 03:34 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Yahoo search, first call, "John Kerry +postions"
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/
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88 posted 07-17-2004 09:22 AM       View Profile for Tim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tim

http://nytimesfaux.com/GoogleKerry.html
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Cute. But, at least miserable failure is an *actual* Google result, rather than a manipulated page on a different domain.  
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Cute, I agree, manipulation is manipulation
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3298443.stm
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91 posted 07-17-2004 05:35 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

ewwwwww!! That had to hurt!
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Ok, Al right the whole if they had it why didn't they use it thing is weird. By not using the chemical weopons they most likely have they are doing whats called psychological war fair. Many poeple need to see it to believe it; when you are fighting a war on the premise of enforcing un policy and (How the media protrays it.) that that they have weopons of mass destruction,(Which they did) by not using the weopons of mass destruction, they plan to put doubt in our mind. The excuse of "they haven't used it so they must of not of had it," is no different then "If I cant see it, It can't be real"

Do you realize if they did, we would have more support against terrism. Funny how people don't realize the threat until its to late. Funny about the taLK OF prevention of 9/11 and in the same sentence you critisize such measures taken to prevent anouther horrible event.


I know some of you will disagree with me, but I just think differently..............

sometimes different ideas aren't alwatys bad.

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93 posted 07-17-2004 09:17 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

No, juju, sometimes different ideas are not always bad. I agree with you on your thoughts....with the exception of spelling warfare war fair....it is anything but that
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94 posted 07-18-2004 08:36 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

It's official I am the worst speller in this site...................
---You know I wasn't implying anything, I just canj't spell.

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95 posted 07-19-2004 05:17 PM       View Profile for Toerag   Email Toerag   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Toerag

Vote for Kerry!!!...Abort the kids, save the whales!!!
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96 posted 07-19-2004 09:30 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

Is that sarcasm, or are you actually serious......

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JUJU....this is Toerag...of course it's sarcasm....I'm as sarcastic as one can be..LOL...Kerry's not even committed to his chosen religious beliefs...
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Yeah well now I have heart problems...............


I am too young..


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Heh about that camment about voting on parties,

I am very conservative, so thats why I lean to the republican side..... alot. Besides if I was an independent I wouldn't vote for kerry, because he doesn't have a solid plat form. His speeches make me dizzyy.... I really hate that. Does any one know why. I don't know what he is saying?

Juju.


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