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Local Rebel
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50 posted 04-05-2004 09:34 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

It's dangerous to try that cold turkey Micheal.... paste a thong on your arm...!  
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51 posted 04-05-2004 10:02 PM       View Profile for berengar   Email berengar   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for berengar

"... if they really wanted to be funny, and not just mean, they would have developed a spoof evolutionist site to be at war with and made a mockery of the other side of the argument."

My point exactly LR.  Having read the rest of the site, I'd agree with you that much of it is in bad taste and some consistency would be helpful.  

"A point I really didn't make clear just then -- the Objective Ministries spoof mocks the tenets of Christianity itself -- they are mocking the religion itself -- which is what I consider to be inflamatory and over the line."

Ah, that's a difficult one.  Let me ask you, did Monty Pythons 'The Life of Brian' mock the tenants of Christianity and, if so, is it to be considered inflammatory and over the line?  Personally, I think 'Objective Ministry's' language could have been toned down, but the message they convey ain't much different from the monty python spoof.  Now ask yourself, did you find 'Life of Brian' funny?  I think the real greviance with 'Objective Ministries' is just that so much of their material ceases to be humerous precisely when it becomes offensive.  It's the style of the thing.  Therein, perhaps, lies the fine line between mockery for the intent of harming and mockery for the intent of humour.
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52 posted 04-05-2004 10:36 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Ah... God.

That's a different thread.

Ne'er my worry.
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53 posted 04-08-2004 02:27 PM       View Profile for jellybeans   Email jellybeans   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jellybeans

Shouldn't the message be 'Atheists Welcome Too'?

yeppers you are right, churches are or should be 'hospitals' for the spiritually ill, and if....if...they feel atheists are the most ill...then they should be standing outside with a gurney......not poking at them with a billboard....

thought provoking for certain
....things like that get put up without enough forethought...if they had thought it out and seen it as the 'rude' comment it is, they probably would not have put it up, but we as people seem to act and then think later...perhaps you should print this thread and send it to them
might make a difference in their next billboard
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54 posted 04-08-2004 11:18 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Nah.. just me rantin in the Alley Beanie  -- but -- somebody probably ought to write a letter to Wal-Mart about those Easter Baskets full of War Planes and Army Gear?

Onward Christian Soldiers??

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"Nah.. just me rantin in the Alley Beanie  -- but -- somebody probably ought to write a letter to Wal-Mart about those Easter Baskets full of War Planes and Army Gear?"

Onward Christian Soldiers??"


LR,

No kidding... Are you serious... Wal-Mart is actually selling The God of Fertility Easter baskets with war planes and army gear?

I'll bet they didn't sell anything at all for the Pascha.
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56 posted 04-09-2004 09:59 AM       View Profile for jellybeans   Email jellybeans   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jellybeans

rofg@onward christian soldiers......
if one were really stretching it, we could surmise that they are promoting 'the ultimate downfall of evil'

lol...or maybe they are just making money...like always....sigh......
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Yep Opeth, right beside the chocolate eggs and bunnies!

Beanie -- you mean they might have done market research to find out what would sell?  
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58 posted 04-09-2004 07:52 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Can someone please explain the difference between calling someone a fool and treating them as mentally ill?

In the former, at least I'm treated as a person. In the latter, I'm treated as an object to be cured. In the former, I can return the compliment. In the latter, what I say will be ignored.
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Ah, you noticed that.

It depends on what one's paradigm of mental illness is.  I wouldn't say mental illness robs one of personhood -- but, um, I know what you mean.

Didn't we already have that discussion though?  

In context Brad -- there is very little difference between the assumptions behind one or the other.  Namely -- without God we must be in despair -- ergo -- we're either fools or ill.
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I think the difference is simple. No one chooses to be mentally ill.
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That's not what I was hearing in another thread Ron.  Not that I disagree.  But, from the perspective of some the assumption is still that mental illness is just a kind of spiritual weakness.

Which would bring the alternative question.  Brad has leapt from 'spiritual illness' to 'mental illness'.  And from my perspective spirituality is very much rooted in mental health -- but I don't think it would be perceived that way across the board.

There are, after all, some who believe in literal spirits -- evil ones and the like -- good questions for a philosophy discussion.
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It's a leap?
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Spirituality would not necessarily be a mental function to some Brad.  In a paradigm that involves an ineffible spirit, indwelling, and the potential presense of the 'holy spirit' comforter/companion -- spiritual illness would not be seen the same as a mental (brain) illness.

It could be seen as a lack of contact with the holy spirit.

Some sort of loss of direction of your own spirit.

Or even the presense of a foreign (demonic) spirit.

In these instances you are merely not speaking the same language.
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64 posted 04-10-2004 10:14 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

quote:
It could be seen as a lack of contact with the holy spirit.


How do they know? There is a movement, facetious as far as I can tell, called theistic atheism. God keeps trying to show us that He doesn't exist. We should obey his wishes.

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Some sort of loss of direction of your own spirit.


Doesn't this put them in the curious position of trying to convince me that I'm really in despair without knowing it?

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Or even the presense of a foreign (demonic) spirit.


So, are they going to come over with some Holy water and scream, "The power of Christ compels you, the power of Christ compels you!"

Honestly, I haven't vomited green slime in months.  

You know, perhaps, we do speak the same language and they keep trying to use it to avoid the idea that people might actually, legitimately disagree.
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65 posted 04-12-2004 12:10 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

quote:

Honestly, I haven't vomited green slime in months.


wish I could say the same

but yeah, I'm still trying to figure out this whole existential despair angle myself -- it always baffles me when somebody tries to convince me there's nothing between me and suicide.

For some reason mention agnosticism or atheism and people think Nihilism and despair instead of Einstein, Buckminster Fuller, Universal Unitarianism, Jonas Salk, Bertrand Russell, or Isaac Asimov.
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66 posted 04-12-2004 12:17 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Sheesh.

I said I was sorry...

oops.

I forgot to .

[This message has been edited by serenity blaze (04-12-2004 12:57 AM).]

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67 posted 05-03-2004 09:58 PM       View Profile for Kaoru   Email Kaoru   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kaoru

I have to say, I am enraged! Downright angry!
Look at me, do I look like I'm kidding?!

Okay, so maybe I am...


Here's the deal, typically, I'd let this kind of thing cause me frustration or whatever..HOWever, I've thought about this for a day now and even though I think it's a little out of place, it is kind of silly.

Silly, as in, I'm not laughing with them..I'm laughing at them. How far must we go before we decide to give eachother at least a little respect?
I just keep thinking that if an athiest said something like that about them, there'd be 10 kinds of stink about it.

This is something I'll just shrug off, because I know what's right and wrong, and what's neccesary.
This isn't one of those neccesary things, and they probably figured that out after the fact..whether or not they care is the question.
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68 posted 05-14-2004 07:27 AM       View Profile for Toerag   Email Toerag   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Toerag

RON....I've not only chosen to be mentally ill...I exploit it in my poetry and general conversations?....Besides, if you're mentally ill, you always..I mean always have an excuse in anything you do...
 
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