Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada
I don't think any ancestral cultures ever showed the kind of vicious frequencies that
people do today. Something may be indulgent and lecherous, indecent or wrong, but a vicious frequence or continuosness, neglect of acknowledging, or ignorance or pretence that the vice is not wrong and should be declined, I believe makes it an even greater wrong and less worthy of being able to attribute to something that is rare enough not to greatly blamed.
Orgies were NOT what people for the most part think they were today:
"Word History: The word orgy has become connected in the minds of many of us with unrestrained sexual activity, but its origins are much less licentious. We can trace the word as far back as the Indo-European root *werg-, meaning “to do,” also the source of our word work. Greek orgia, “secret rites, worship,” comes from *worg-, one form of this root. The Greek word was used with reference to the rites practiced in the worship of various deities, such as Orpheus and Dionysus. The word in Greek did not denote sexual activity, although this was a part of some rites. The rites of Dionysus, for example, included only music, dancing, drinking, and the eating of animal sacrifices. Having passed through Latin and Old French into English, the word orgy is first recorded in English with reference to the secret rites of the Greek and Roman religions in 1589. It is interesting to note that the word is first recorded with its modern sense in 18th-century English and perhaps in 17th-century French. Whether this speaks to a greater licentiousness in society or not must be left to the historian, but certainly the religious nature of the word has gone into eclipse."
Sexual activies were involved, but that orgies were excessively sexual or excessively frequent and perverse seems more like people trying to attribute modern debauchery and outrageousness and addictionmaking onto people of the past, where no such things were necessarily for the most part there, or frequent and almost casual as they are today.
It seems today's modernism again trying to attempt to avoid dealing directly with the present and acknowledging its vice and misdoing for many things we tolerate, by hanging on a belief about the past: that we are so much better than people were, and thereby trying to justify what people are doing now. Even though what people are doing now is not even very private, broadly and extensively on the interenet, in arts, in languages, on TV, music, the way people dress; where anything sexual has a streak of coarsness and perversity, and often a pornographic influence because our cultures is fixed on daring to tolerate more and more. One may scarcely spend one minute with any form of media without finding at once something lecherous or bordering on being lecherous.
Once upon a time the opposite sex was turned on by trying to show off virtues, now a days in order to attract one has to dare to show off perversity, and dare to have a vice. Sayings and meanings like "upon honour" "everything in moderation" "in faith" are replaced by sarcasm and anything rough and bordering on being shameless. I think the growing notion that all former cultures were basically and for the most part inferior to what modern cultures are in behavior and wisdom, is a weakness of regard, and I think may be one of the reasons why people are more and more ignorant about history. They believe despite the excess in almost everything today, at least we are higher than they were, and in many degrees I believe we are, but in many degrees we are lacking. How stately is life now? How sacred?
When substance is abused that is foul, but when people are abused I believe that is the foulest.
[This message has been edited by Essorant (03-06-2004 02:41 PM).]