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Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ

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50 posted 02-28-2004 06:43 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I think it is an excellent movie and I highly recommend it. I'd even go so far as calling it a cinematic masterpiece. I was riveted. It felt like I was only in the theatre for perhaps a half hour instead of two hours. I am planning on seeing it again.

I looked for anti-semitism, and frankly, I couldn't find it. The Jews were portrayed as a mix, those who were calling for blood and those who were ripped to the core of their beings by the horrors that they were seeing. Even among the Roman soldiers some were aghast at the extent of the brutality.

I probably had steeled myself against the violence before seeing the movie because I only had to close my eyes twice. Gibson also used strategically placed 'flash-back' scenes to break up the violence, which I think he did extremely well.

The movie has given me a deeper appreciation of Jesus' love and sacrifice for mankind. It was really brought home to me in a relevant way by seeing the sweat, blood, tears and agony, as no 'sanitized' portrayal ever could.

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all of the church leaders that sit in their ivory towers should sell everthing they have got and give it to the sick, suffering and dying..but do they?..i see no evidence of it...


Have you done that yet, Goldenrose? Have you sold all that you have and given it to the poor? I'm not saying you, I or anyone else should or shouldn't do that, but we are not the judges of other men's intentions, and any admonitions found in the Bible, if they apply across the board, should always first be directed personally to ourselves before we attempt to help others see the errors of their ways. Should none of us have houses or possessions as long as there is poverty in the world? Even the poorest of us in the Western world live like kings compared to those in the rest of the globe. If you think that Jesus taught that as a general overall principal, and are therefore judging others who don't do that, have you taken the log out of your own eye first, before trying to remove the specks from others' eyes? Jesus taught that too, and I think that admonition applies across the board to everyone, whereas Jesus spoke the former only to one person who thought he was keeping the law and thought he was to be commended for his perfection. Jesus cut to the heart of the matter with the rich young ruler in telling him if he really wanted to be perfect (which none of us can be) to sell all that he had and to give it to the poor, and come follow him, in an attempt, I believe, to show the rich guy that he wasn't as perfect as he thought he was because his money was more important to him than anything else, he was therefore not really a law-keeper because of that, and did indeed need a saviour after all.

I don't know how much money Gibson will finally make from his masterpiece, but I think however much he makes, he has earned every last cent. And unlike you, I don't have a clue where the money will go. I don't know what he will do with all of it or some of it, that's entirely between him and God. Perhaps he will give some or most to charity, perhaps he'll use some or most to finance another movie. I'd definitely go see it.
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51 posted 02-28-2004 09:59 PM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

Amen, Denise... couldn't have said it better

Goldenrose, I don't see why you felt it was required for you to relay the messages of what was written by your favorite columnists. I've read them as well. I don't think that anyone who has read this thread hasn't heard the things that these people have said and written... no need to repeat it. Sure, express your opinions, but don't be the Time's parrot.

Isn't it dangerous to base your entire opinion on the opinion of someone else?

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Now, I may be the oddball here. No, I haven't seen the movie. But I have read the Gospels. And being blessed/cursed with a very active imagination, I could see vividly the scenes depicted, most of which the censors would have edited for violence. Those who think the Bible contains no violence whatsoever, up to and including genocide, are severely deluded.

Just my penny'orth.
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Oh, I don't know, Lovebug, Goldenrose just seems like he's stating his opinion, not parroting anybody. I, for one, haven't been following the background (though I have been reading the reviews) as much as others and his comment triggered a little more reading.

Curious if anyone can name a movie about Christ that isn't controversial?

Was it boring? Controversies, as I'm sure we all know, make money.
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There actually was one, though the name definately alludes me. I do know it was an Italian film, done in monochrome, with the camera never moving off of Jesus' face while He gave the Beautitudes. I reckon that one had as much controversy as a bowl of lukewarm porridge...
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Ali, I agree with your first post whole-heartedly. The third has a point as well, although that was also an important part of Christ's ministry.

BTW, I love how Jim portrays Christ... he does a wonderful job. I really liked the part where he's teaching the beatitudes... unlike some other movies that show this, he makes Jesus look like an earnest Teacher, which He, of course, was.

Brad... here's a quote from Goldenrose:

"i was merely telling you what New York Times...Washington Post was saying after they had been to see the movie"... and well, since he hasn't seen the movie, I just say that that sort of hurts any substance behind his argument.



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56 posted 02-29-2004 12:23 AM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

Also, I talked to my sister today about when she saw it. She said that, right there in the movie theatre, she heard people praying aloud, giving their lives to Jesus Christ.

Name another movie that has done that.....
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... and well, since he hasn't seen the movie, I just say that that sort of hurts any substance behind his argument.

But when you started this thread, you hadn't seen the movie yet either. That apparently didn't make you or many others reluctant to offer an opinion of it?

Does it really matter who said what? If the points being made of invalid, then the points should be discredited -- not the person who made them or the reasons they were being made. Arguing everything except the point itself just suggests the point can't be successfully argued.
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How about The Exorcist?

It is reported that requests for exorcism increased after the movie was released.
http://www.csicop.org/si/2003-01/exorcism.html


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“This conjuncture of commercialism and religious ritual, of profits and piety, should come as no surprise,” Cuneo writes. “Over the course of the twentieth century the popular cultural industry, with its endless run of movies, books, and digital delights, has gained a pervasive influence over the national consciousness. It has become part of the very air that Americans breathe and, as such, it has attained an enormous capacity for shaping everyday beliefs and behaviors. . . . When Hollywood and its allies put out the Word, somebody’s guaranteed to be listening” (p. 50). Cuneo repeatedly reminds the reader of the role of American media in the resurgence of the belief in demonic possession. Only the most willfully naïve reader could overlook the role of motion pictures, TV talk shows, book publishers, and the insatiable appetite for publicity among exorcism authors and self-styled “researchers” after reading Cuneo’s perceptive accounts of the rise of demonic awareness in the land of plenty.

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I was going to add that nothing quite seems to work like religion and violence to get people going (as opposed to sex and violence), but then I remembered something else:

People were afraid to go in the water after Jaws.

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Hm....and after Jurassic Park I'm terrified of dinosaurs.

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So, now christians are condoning violence in films or only when it suits their needs?

So, on the big screen, it is okay to witness human torture, but it is not okay to witness naked bodies?
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I saw the movie yeseterday with my kids.

I felt that the movie wasn't like other bible story movies. This one was different.
I am sure that even the non-religious had many feelings and tears from this movie.
For those who are mothers, felt the mother's pain, in seeing her Son suffer and not being able to do something about it.
For those who have freinds, felt the pain of seeing one whom they admired, being tortured in public, and not being able to help.
For those who are not mothers/fathers or who don't have any close friends...felt the pain of the crowd in seeing a man being tortured and killed in front of them, and they had no way of voicing their opinion or helping.
For those who have no compassion for others...whom ever they may be...didn't feel a thing. And don't care less about others.

What I am trying to say is: the movie shows a suffering of a man...his mother's suffering...his followers (friends) suffering...it shows the tortures in the cruel reality of any torture. So, it's impossible for someone to watch it and not feel a thing.

I repeat what I said earlier, that it is in no way anti-semite.
What are we supposed to do? Are we supposed to take out every scene where a Jewish person was being cruel or unfair, and leave only the scenes where others who are not Jewish and were cruel and unfair, in the movie?

That's ridiculous. If there were one or two or a group of Jewish people who were cruel and unfair, than that needs to be included in the movie, along with the others who were cruel and unfair (like the Romans).

The truth is there, not only in this movie, but written in history. So why protray that "all" Jewish are only good? That's not true. All races and religions have bad and good...ALL of them.

In my Christian point of view, the movie reinforced the sacrifice Jesus went through to save us. He 'showed' the ten commandments again...some parts of it, like "love thy enemy", because what glory or sacrifice is in just loving thy friends?

The sacrifice of Our Lady, in seeing all this happen to her son, yet, she remained strong and knew that this needed to happen to fulfill the scriptures. She believed in her Son.

As for it being bloody, yes it was. But it wasn't a bloody movie like Jason or Freddy , where people are hacked and murdered because of psychos.
It was a different 'blood'. It was the blood of a good man, an innocent man, the Messiah (to me, because I am Christian).

And it was a passage of the Bible, the Holy Scriptures, it was history, it was true. Whether people believe in Jesus or not...this really DID happen.

But people today, continue to do that same as the crowd who shouted "crucify him". Because a lot in the crowd didn't even know what He was being accused of, but the fact that someone was going to be tortured and killed in public was a "thrill" for them.

Lots of people today, do the same thing. They talk bad about Jesus, without even knowing who He was. They just shout out in the crowd along with the others.

What did Jesus do, which makes people today, scared to say His name, or to find out more about Him? What did Jesus do, to make some people jump to offending Him today?
Whatever bad things Christian did in the past, or do today, is not Jesus' fault.
The real Christians follow Jesus' teachings the best they can, and they try to do so each time more.
If people are going to use the bad Christians as examples of Christianity, than they are blinding themselves from the truth. Christianity comes from the word "Christ", and it is love and forgiveness.
Those who say they are Christians but don't follow Jesus' teachings, should not be taken as examples of Christianity.


I can understand that the Jewish people today are still waiting for their Messiah and they don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. But even so...I don't think they are very happy with seeing a man suffer so much cruelty, while this punishment at that time, was reserved for the horrible murderers or thieves. The cruelty of that suffering DOES hit the hearts even of the non-believers. To see innocent blood shed and cry for it, is part of being compassionate.

I am a Christian and I do have Jewish AND Muslim friends. They all agree that it was not fair what happened to Jesus, and they said that if they were in the crowd at that time, they would be in the group which did NOT want Jesus to be condemned. They wouldn't be followers, or maybe they would, but they certaintly would not be shouting to crucify Him.

And they did not think it was anti-semite either.

As we saw, in the movie,  'evil' wanting to destroy good people who want peace, we also see this happening today. Sometimes, they don't even notice, or are not aware, that they are doing this. Just like Judas, who betrayed Jesus, and after he realized that he shouldn't have done that...but he was blind with evil. Today, lots of people are blood thirsty, go with the crowd, and are blind to justice.

All through Jesus' life, He only taught wisdom and goodness. He was against revenge, against unfairness. He took into his group, as friends, a prostitute, a thief, a tax collector...people of all sorts of life...he was not prejudice nor racist.

Maybe that's what bothers people today. He was totally good, a wise and very good man. And people today, some people, have the 'need' to be racist, prejudice, unfair and so forth. And others, just because there are some rules to follow - love they enemy, forgive thy enemy, love and forgive - and other 'rules', they feel they don't have to follow any rules because they want to live by their own rules. So they blame Jesus for this.

But that's why our world is the way it is today...people refuse to follow the simple rules of: respect others AND themselves, forgive, love, give, truth, and most of all...believe in something other than what their desires wish to do....they are selfish and think they don't need anyone, nor any rules.

But as a mother, I cried as I felt the suffering of Mary...I cried as I felt the suffering of the tortures endured...I cried feeling the pain of Jesus' friends not being able to help him not suffer anymore.

But as a Christian, I accepted this as being the fulfilment of the scriptures. And I rejoiced in knowning that Jesus ressurrected and saved us. And each time I thought to myself "if I was there, I would have helped Jesus"...I also remembered that God is Jesus' Father, and loved Him more than we could ever love, and permitted this, because it needed to happen...then, I was thankful to God and to Jesus. And I felt Mary's strength and Faith.
To me, as a Christian, I needed to remember Jesus suffering for us, to look at this world again, and notice that I need to make a difference in my own life and around me.
I noticed that with times changing, we get used to modern values, which are not right at all. There is no respect nor diginity in a lot of things in our world today. And love, in our world today, is very superficial and lacks empathy and compassion and repect.

I believe in God, I know Jesus is the Messiah, and I know that Mary is Our Lady. I have had more than enough proof of that in my life...miracles with my children and with myself. Many times, I felt God's hands guiding me, teaching me...I felt Jesus' love and embrace...I felt the eyes of Our Lady, I felt she was listening and taking the  prayers of my children and of mine,to The Father. So...I KNOW God is love and I  believe in the Holy Trinity and I KNOW that Our Blessed Mary is listening and helping.

Yes, of course God will listen to us if we pray directly to Him. But to pray to Mary, the mother of Jesus, and ask to take our prayers to the her Holy Son and to Our Father (the Holy Trinity), is an act of humbleness which we do. It's like saying, "I am not worthy to talk to God directly, and I ask that Our Lady take my prayers."
Yes, we are worthy, but if our heart is humble, that means that we are willing to listen, to be generous, to love. Because to be proud, is to say that we don't need anyone, we are the maximum of superiorness...which is not true...we are NOT.

We are loved by God, but many times, we refuse His love, and forget that we are His creation, and that He gave us free will.
What we do with this free will, is up to us.
But to think that we are superior enough not to need God, is a blindenss which leads us to a darness within ourselves because we pushed God aside. God is light, and those who believe know this. Those who don't believe, cannot know this.

Jesus spoke in parables, and only those who have the compassionate heart for themselves and for others, heard his words.

When we see good people suffer, and get up on their feet again, but with a renewed spirit. We understand what is said in the bible, "the good trees, which bear good fruit will be pruned, the bad trees which will yield no fruits will be left unpruned." So those who are willing to live a life of love and forgiveness, will be improved. Those who don't care, and don't want to, will be left for this world, at their own fate.
Abuse of power and self-glory, money greedy and unfairness, are the trees which are left for the world to decide...they might get richer and richer, more and more famous, etc...but in the end, they all have their fall.
For the good trees, wotth the pruning, they will improve spiritually and become undestructible spiritually and are happy inside themselves, even though this world doesn't see them as such, or even though this world is cruel to them...they will still stand up and will become stronger and stronger. There is nothing at all which makes them let go of God's hand.

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Amen, Amen..to lovebug, Denise, and Tais.......People need to see the movie AND THEN SEE WHAT KIND OF COMMENTS they can make.

I callenge even the worst athesist to go see it first before condemning it.

Mel Gibson was led by God to do this film, not for money, but for the messege being told..Mel is a messenger of Christ...and if evil can use the media to grow evil in the minds of children and everyone..than why can't christians use the media for the good as well.

This movie is about LOVE...pue and simple..self`sacraficial love, unconditional love...the love of Christ...

This movie is anointed by God...God is speaking to all of us through this movie.
Mel was the device he used to spread his messege to us...it is all about the heart.

Mel Gibsons heart is in the right place...he put his heart into this movie..his love of the Christ Jesus.

You first have to have a relationship with Jesus, "I am the way, the truth, and the life"..no one comes to the father, but by me. Daily relationship...In the book of revelation..When you die and you face Jesus..If you never had a relationship with Jesus..he will say "Depart from me for I never knew You"......Just as we have a relationship with our children, our earthly mother and fathers, so should we have with Jesus. One cannot speak of Jesus or know of Jesus unless they are saved by his mercy and grace, by his stripes we are healed! by his blood we are saved!

John 3:16 for God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotton son, that who so ever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life....

"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". For the wages of SIN is DEATH!...Romans 8

I agree with Denise, get the plank out our your eyes...look at yourself before looking at others faults....see were all of us are lacking...being selfish with money, time, with love, being negitive instead of positive..loving instead of hating...

Jesus said "For I am with you even till the end of the world"...he will never leave you or forsake you...

The world is the LIE..Jesus is the TRUTH..his love..his spirit makes all the SPIRITUALLY BLIND see again....the world has everyone on strings like puppets..in bondage to sins..the chains of sins are bonding you to this life..this world..Jesus can set you free....

Just like the Matrix movie...everything is an Illusion.....satan wants you to see it as real...but it is all fake..superficial...lacking substance...and just like the movie..They live...were they could only see the truth when they put on the glasses....let Jesus be your glasses to see the world for what it is and how you are being led astray and decieved...

Everyone has a hole in their heart, that they are trying to fill..an emptiness. a void...they fill it with money, material things...with jobs...success. with drugs, with drink with sex...and even love becomes their God..and it never is satisfied...they keep buying more..needing more....

But accepting Jesus..this hole becomes filled, burdens are lifted, chains of sins are broken...your life is free, you are a new creature in Christ and you become born again ..seeing the world through the eyes of Christ....feeling love..real..love..his love...."Taste the living water..and never shall you thirst again""All those who are weary and heavy laden, come unto me and I will give you rest"~Jesus Christ

Wake up ..sleeping zombies.....this movie is Gods wake-up call to society...God loves you....and wants you back with him....

God will never stop loving you....God will never leave you or forsake you...

Just get on your knees and pray..asking him to forgive you of all the wrongs in your life....(you know them)....you remember..the lies...the anger....nasty words..nasty thoughts...stealing...cheating...the holy spirit will show you these things...just like the Scrooge movie....

and your heart is heavy with all these ...ask Jesus to come in to your heart..t o take away all your heartache and pain...to heal your soul..ask him to be your Lord and Savior..taht he is the Son of God...and that he died so you could live forever in heaven...he died for your sins...and the sins of the world...and he rose again on the third day...

Please forgive me Jesus...for I have sinned...forgive me for....

I know you are the true son of God...

That you died for me...

come into my  heart...I want your love..I need your love...

cleanse me and make me new again...

I want to live right...to to good...

no longer do I want to serve satan...

come into my heart oh Lord Jesus and make me new again...

in Jesus name I pray...Amen!
Thank you Jesus for saving me...for loving me..for dieing for me...take my place..my pain..my punishment...it should have been me up on that cross..but you loved me so much ..that you took my place...

Jesus loves you..."lo, I stand at the door and Knock"....He is knocking on your hearts door...will you let him come in? and show you love..love like you have never felt before...love beyoned earth and time...love everlasting..eternal....forever!




Open your eyes, open your mind, open your heart, let me come in and show you love.....~ARH

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So, now christians are condoning violence in films or only when it suits their needs?

So, on the big screen, it is okay to witness human torture, but it is not okay to witness naked bodies?


I'd say, at least for me, Opeth, one of the defining elements is context, and whether the violence or nakedness is viewed as integral to the story line or merely gratuitous and sensationalistic. And I think within the Christian mindset, as in all other mindsets, there are various opinions on these matters, and it really comes down to an individual judgment call.
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Ron, when I started this thread I stated that I hadn't see the movie, but I voiced my own opinion, not somebody elses. I didn't go around quoting what someone else said. I think there's a big difference.

As for 'arguing the point', I think everyone can fairly say that I've addressed pretty much everything said in this thread... nobody can accuse me of dodging anything, unless it's just someone repeating something that I've already answered.

As for 'condoning violence when it's good for us', well, as I said like... what, 20 times.. Mel Gibson was just trying to portray what really happened. As Denise said, I don't have a problem with other movies that show 'adult' things in good context or, in historical films, the sake of accuracy. The only time I'm opposed to such things is when it's mindless.

And I think that dedicating your life to Jesus Christ is just a little different than being afraid of sharks... just me though..

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A Rabbi, a Priest, and a Baptist Minister (no this is not a setup for a joke) screened the movie and were interviewed the morning after on local television.  (a Catholic owned television station in a very Catholic town).

They were unanimous on four points;

1. The violence is completely over the top.
2. Someone looking for anti-Semitism is going to find it   (if that's what they want)  Someone who isn't looking for anti-Semitism isn't going to find it.
3. The theology and historicity are questionable but if it sparks debate and brings people to a newfound interest in learning about the subject it's a good thing.
4.  It's a film.

That said -- here are a few resources someone might want to study if they are new to the subject matter -- these represent a good cross-section of points of view and would be found in most universities and theological schools.

Understanding the New Testament /Author: Kee and Young http://www.rsgeerbooks.com/pi/1393.html

History of New Testament Times / Robert H. Pfeiffer http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=2805390&domain_id=1856&ad=53983

Interpreting the New Testament /James L. Price http://shopping.yahoo.com/p___1955989683?d=b&id=1955989683&

A Historical Approach to the New Testament / Crownfield, F.R.
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Essentials of New Testament Study / Titus, Eric L.
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The Man from Nazareth / Fosdick, Harry E. http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=2930452&domain_id=1856&ad=53983
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How about just reading the Bible?

Oh, make me Thine forever
And should I fainting be
Lord, let me never ever
Outlive my love for Thee

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Is that what Seminary students do?
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Yep

I'm not saying that those aren't good books... that it's wrong or something to read commentary.. but I just think it's important to read the Bible for yourself to get a real understanding of what it is.

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70 posted 02-29-2004 10:43 PM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

I just also want to say that I appreciate everyone who has replied to this thread. This is a touchy subject and everyone has been really respectful of each other. I might come off rough sometimes, but I do respect the opinions of others... I get pretty passionate sometimes (sorry for the pun :P ) but know that I'm not attacking you or anything, I'm just expressing what I think! Thanks guys

Oh, make me Thine forever
And should I fainting be
Lord, let me never ever
Outlive my love for Thee

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71 posted 02-29-2004 11:15 PM       View Profile for A Romantic Heart   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for A Romantic Heart


http://www.cbn.com/special/PassionOfChrist.asp

http://www.beliefnet.com/index/index_525.html

Here is a link to the TRUTH with all your questions answered!.....This covers ALL the questions about the Mel Gibsons movie...The Passion of the Christ!

Read the four gospels..read the HOLY BIBLE and find the TRUTH there....


Open your eyes, open your mind, open your heart, let me come in and show you love.....~ARH

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72 posted 03-01-2004 01:13 AM       View Profile for A Romantic Heart   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for A Romantic Heart

[ARH, I couldn't easily tell which parts of your post were original and which were the words of Robert Ford Porter, so I had little choice but to remove everything. Writers don't infringe on the copyrights of other writers. - Ron]

[This message has been edited by Ron (03-01-2004 08:30 AM).]

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73 posted 03-01-2004 09:02 AM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

I said earlier in this thread that "Frivolity and banality have a place, but that place usually isn't in the middle of someone else's conversation. Off-topic comments deserve their own thread."

What was true of frivolity is equally true of preaching. Those who want to deliver a sermon are in the wrong pulpit.

In the course of almost six years, the number of threads I've closed, essentially shutting down conversation, could easily be counted on one hand. And I'd probably have a few fingers left on that hand for the next six years. Telling someone to shut up is almost always the wrong solution to a problem. Unfortunately, when it's clear that people aren't listening to anything but the sound of their own voices, talking quickly becomes nothing but noise. Dialog is a bit more than simply taking turns.
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74 posted 03-01-2004 11:17 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

Off-topic reply removed - Ron

[This message has been edited by Ron (03-01-2004 12:22 PM).]

 
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