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Christopher
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125 posted 02-27-2004 07:06 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

berengar - it's all fine and well to listen to one's elders - another to define philosophies from them. people are fallible, whether they be older or younger than another & i'm quite sure that age doesn't automatically turn one into a super-guru. some of the most down-to-earth, sensical, intelligent people i've known wouldn't fit into that category, while some of those who would, i wouldn't pay two pennies for their advice.

intelligence and common sense don't necessarily discriminate against age.
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126 posted 02-27-2004 07:17 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

tsk...

Essorant, if my comments seemed even remotely hostile you have my sincere apologies. My question was from the heart, and I want you to know, that while I don't agree with you at this point in my life (I used to think very much like you tho) I consider your attitude refreshing, and your hope for people is commendable.

And for the record, I have no idea if Ess is male or female, nor do I know Essorant's age.

I didn't think that was part of the point.

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127 posted 02-27-2004 07:21 PM       View Profile for berengar   Email berengar   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for berengar

Sure.
However, one mark of wisdom is the willingness to listen to well-intentioned advice from people who know what they are talking about (harsh? Maybe, but true nonetheless).
If Essorant has ever been in a situation where she has had to control crowds or deal with domestic violence (for instance) then maybe she has something else to say.
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128 posted 02-27-2004 07:26 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

smile.

berengar? You just brought out my protective instincts.

I've been told by a professional that happens to be a major component of my co-dependancy. But as I pointed out to my therapist, it must have taken a degree of that very trait to become a therapist.

Fine lines everywhere m'friend.

I'll go cook supper for my kids now.

*peace*
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129 posted 02-27-2004 07:51 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

quote:
However, one mark of wisdom is the willingness to listen to well-intentioned advice from people who know what they are talking about (harsh? Maybe, but true nonetheless).
Break this into two parts -

well-intentioned: first, i would be more inclined to believe it was "well-intentioned" if you didn't put it across so "harshly." comes across more as a verbal slap in the face. secondly - how can anyone (especially when they don't know each other) judge another's intentions? I don't know you, so i have no way of knowing if your intentions are benevolent or not.

know what they're talking about - again, how do i know you know what you're talking about. i have no idea who you are, what your background and experiences are... how do i have any way of knowing that you have the slightest idea of what you're talking about. now if you choose to provide some more information and reasoning, that might help.

don't misunderstand me berengar, i'm not saying your advice is valueless. i'm saying that if you're going to present something as if another has to take it as valuable, you have to provide a bit more than vague, "harsh" commentaries.

midi-k -
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130 posted 02-27-2004 07:55 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

anybody else notice i was in an arguin' mood today? wonder where that came from... 'prolly hearing about Greenspunk's newest proposal.
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131 posted 02-27-2004 09:16 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Well intentioned advice has this weird tendency of becoming cliché. At the moment, I'm reminded of the one about living in glass houses.
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132 posted 02-27-2004 11:06 PM       View Profile for Not A Poet   Email Not A Poet   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Not A Poet's Home Page   View IP for Not A Poet

Hey Ron, is that the one where they shouldn't throw rocks or shouldn't take showers?
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133 posted 02-28-2004 01:51 AM       View Profile for berengar   Email berengar   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for berengar

touche.  I recognise the harshness of the statement and retract it - apologies to all concerned.  I was irritated.
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134 posted 05-11-2004 04:53 PM       View Profile for Toerag   Email Toerag   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Toerag

I see Susan Caldwell is writing about me again....I haven't been banned cuz Ron knows I'll stalk him and leave terribly written poetry on his door step, his windshield, in his email and call his house and leave awful poetry on his answering machine...
Ron
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135 posted 05-11-2004 06:42 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

You're not doing that already, Toe?

Mmmm. 'Deer, is there something you want to confess?


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136 posted 05-12-2004 04:07 AM       View Profile for passing shadows   Email passing shadows   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for passing shadows

LOL
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137 posted 05-12-2004 07:36 AM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

Calling all Colon rabbits and chipmunks... Hold off on that bad poetry for a bit, guys... He's getting suspicious!!!...
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138 posted 05-12-2004 12:09 PM       View Profile for Toerag   Email Toerag   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Toerag

No, it ain't me Ron, I just leave awful poetry on your blue pages....it's probably that Balladeer guy....have ya noticed any dead bugs in your yard?..Golf Balls?
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139 posted 05-29-2004 12:45 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

HEH<

I was in a place where no one got kicked out and there was no rules. You wouldn't believe the horrible nasty things that were posted. THis was just the teen section. Yes it is too bad to delet messages and kick out some members, but when I was at that one place, some members were doing it just to tee off people or for a sick high.

"The best government is no government at all", but unfortunetly "Men are not angels"

(Sorry can't remember who said the first quote, but the second is from one of the U.S.  founding fathers.)

If Ron is getting anything near what I saw at the last place I was in, My heart goes out to him. I believe that he does only do it as a last measure.

Sincerely Juju.
 
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