Member Rara Avis
In less than two hundred words, Goldenrose, you've managed to mix no less than five issues. What do you say we see if we can't separate them?
when an ''ordinary'' member of PIP asks for an administrator to be looked into for over stepping the mark....surprise.... surprise..it is not the administrators fault but the members fault
I'm guessing this is your real complaint, so let's cover it first.
You think you were right and Severn was wrong? Fine. Address the issues, then. Although some might prefer simple stereotypes, the truth is that I'm always willing to listen to cogent arguments directed at specific issues. Show me exactly which parts of Severn's post you think were directed at a person, rather than a statement or issue. Then look at your own post in that thread, and show me how each of your points were focused only on the issues and not on personal characteristics. If you're convinced you're right, you should be able to convince others. To do that, though, you'll have to stick to the issues. Now, we might well still disagree, but at least we'll be disagreeing about the same things.
IMO, Goldenrose, you made the same mistakes in that post that you're making in this one. Your arguments are rife with tangents and histrionics, making it difficult to find, follow, or address your real points.
Do we have cliques at pipTalk? Sure, we do. Is it possible I would let Severn's five-year commitment to the forums color my judgment? Sure, I'm human, so I guess it's possible. I honestly think, though, that our history and the fate of a few other long-term Members might suggest friendship holds less sway than facts. And, bottom line, any friendship that depends on special treatment was already doomed. I tend to say what I think, even to those I love, and my real friends always know that doesn't mean I love them any less. I know Kamla knows that, too.
I think it's much more likely that, rather than address the issues, you stretched a little far to find a cause and effect that isn't quite there. Just because I tell you the moon is a cold, inhospitable place, that doesn't mean I don't like the moon because it's not part of my clique. It just means, the way I see it, the moon is a cold, inhospitable place.
who was it started these viscious critques
What vicious critiques?
if the ordinary members fail to suck up to you because.... after all its your party and you'll cry if you want to....then they just dont fit in do they
LOL. Three different issues here, though a bit scrunched together.
First, ordinary members, as far as I'm concerned, is an oxymoron. Ain't no such creature.
Second, it's a bit difficult to draw such a discernable line between Members and Moderators around here. Many of today's Moderators will be next week's Members, and virtually any Member can volunteer for a two-week rotation to help us keep the joint clean and livable. The neat thing about revolving doors is that they join more than they separate.
Third, if you actually believe about a thousand active Members always agree with me, I'm guessing you don't have much respect for writers. Or much understanding of their nature. Do you really think you're so incredibly unique and heroic? LOL.
Not only is it cool to disagree around here, whether with me or with others, but I've always tried to encourage that kind of atmosphere. In part, that's because I believe we rarely consider or articulate our deepest convictions until we are forced to defend what we believe. Disagreements help us grow as individuals, as thinkers, and as writers. But I also believe disagreements are the only way to test our tenets of Respect and Tolerance. It's really easy to be respectful when everyone is friendly and patting each other on the back. It only matters, however, when it's not so easy. Respect for people and Tolerance of diversity are the magic dust that can turn disagreements from walls into vehicles.
I sincerely hope, Goldenrose, you stick around long enough to learn that lesson.