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This is not a poem, just an observation.

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lenore
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0 posted 01-23-2004 09:53 PM       View Profile for lenore   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for lenore


I posted some of my poems in the open forum and everyone who replied seemed really cheery and nice.
It pissed me off, to be honest.
I mean...and rather hear some criticism instead of people just being so nice its painful.
Iím hoping that here there might be a bight more honesty and a bit more intellect, instead of the Christian organisation which appears to have invaded the open forum.  No offence to the religious type intended.

-Lenore xoxo
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1 posted 01-23-2004 10:25 PM       View Profile for Aenimal   Email Aenimal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Aenimal

before this gets erased and it probably will..looooooooved it..
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2 posted 01-24-2004 01:17 PM       View Profile for Masked Intruder   Email Masked Intruder   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Masked Intruder

Transferred to The Alley.
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3 posted 01-24-2004 02:24 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

Try Critical Analysis #2
...

~~**~~


I lie awake at night
I reach out to touch
Feel you by my side
I reach I never feel you
Will I ever get to feel you again
Just one more time
Tim
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4 posted 01-24-2004 02:40 PM       View Profile for Tim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tim


Heck fire, I have met some non-Christians who are pretty nice folks.
Sounds a bit prejudiced against Christianity if ya ask me, or are all Muslims, Hindus and Jews just naturally nasty folks.
and what about the poor atheists and agnostics, I guess they aren't allowed to be nice either.
Sorry, but my response is give me a break...
if ya want to rant about something, make it worthwhile.
Tim
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5 posted 01-24-2004 02:47 PM       View Profile for Tim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tim

and what about the poor intellectuals who happen to be nice? go figure, guess only dumb folk is friendly.
Sunshine
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6 posted 01-24-2004 04:43 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Lenore, in your profile, there is a box which you can click on, indicating you would like your poems to be critiqued, so no matter what forum you are in, we will know you want hard and sound advice/input.  It allows you not only to check the box, but tell us what you would like to see FROM us.  So, go for it, and allow the "really nice" people to know the door is open for more than their polite comments.

Not to say that their criticism won't be polite.  We just acknowledge, overall, that not everyone can accept criticism, and without that flag being waved so it gets our attention, we will go on being kind and polite.

Show us your stuff.

nakdthoughts
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7 posted 01-24-2004 06:42 PM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

"I posted some of my poems" firstly it shows you only have 2 posts under this name..so this is one..where are the "some poems" ...are they under another name..that sure would help.

And yes, we are nice here in open.. and  cordial in general, which must say alot for this site since there are so many of us who come here and stay for years and many from other sites where the critiquing was  down right nasty instead of helpful.
~~~~~
I went back and searched your poems..you only have the first post there with several poems on one posting...all first postings get a friendly greeting and welcome from those of us who read and respond to it..it's a kind and considerate thing done here. Post a few others and give this place
a chance.
*s
M
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8 posted 01-25-2004 08:38 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

"... and what about the poor atheists and agnostics, I guess they aren't allowed to be nice either."

~ I am not allowed to be nice? Since when?


RSWells
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9 posted 01-25-2004 06:27 PM       View Profile for RSWells   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for RSWells

An observation of my own. Traditionally here (and rest assured I'm no 'insider') at one's first posting there is a good neighbor rush to welcome them. There is nothing wrong with this. It is the heartfelt embrace of well meaning.

As far as your poems go, the way the site is set up, unless one cuts and pastes them to microsoft words to examine them it would be necessary to try and remember each and what it is one would critique about them. You may consider posting them individually and now that you've been greeted perhaps someone will step up and give it a rip (as you seem to desire)

I'll look at them later and see if I can help.

lenore
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10 posted 01-27-2004 12:01 AM       View Profile for lenore   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for lenore

"and what about the poor atheists and agnostics, I guess they aren't allowed to be nice either"

Im agnostic myself...

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11 posted 01-27-2004 01:02 AM       View Profile for garysgirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit garysgirl's Home Page   View IP for garysgirl

Lenore, I don't understand. I clicked on your "Profile" icon at the top of this post. I looked to see what you had marked about your critique preference. You have it marked "No". So, when someone replies to your posts, they don't see anything in the box saying that you want them to critique you.

And, besides, even when someone in opur Critical Analysis Forum critiques, they do it very nicely.
Susan Caldwell
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12 posted 01-27-2004 07:57 AM       View Profile for Susan Caldwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Susan Caldwell

Did you consider that the responses you received where honest?  Maybe you are that good.  But apparently, you don't think so...

I don't usually exam a poem until I find something to criticize.

And hey, have a great day!
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13 posted 01-27-2004 11:19 AM       View Profile for Not A Poet   Email Not A Poet   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Not A Poet's Home Page   View IP for Not A Poet

Well, maybe a little nicely instead of "very nicely."
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14 posted 01-28-2004 12:20 AM       View Profile for garysgirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit garysgirl's Home Page   View IP for garysgirl

Now Pete, from what I've seen, all of our regulars in CA
crituque very nicely!
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15 posted 01-28-2004 01:56 PM       View Profile for muted   Email muted   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for muted


geez, and all this time i was here just to have fun!

If everyone greeted your first post in a critical manner, would you have felt we'd "given you a chance"? would you gone away thinking "we dont know you so how could we judge you"? There are those who can critique without needing to "know you" and then there are others who would feel more comfortable at least getting the "gist" of you before they start giving their critical opinion. Like said above, there are safeguards in place to ensure that those who want advice get it and those who dont, dont.
Also, part of the deal here is you read and respond to other people before you post alot of your own stuff, its courtesy. People may not spend alot of time analyzing your work if you wont spend the time reading theirs.
By the way, can anyone pinpoint to me exactly when "being nice" went out of fashion? Those who do critique do it in a constructive manner...call it nice, call it civil, call it respect. and as far as honesty and intellect are concerned...my IQ does not coincide with my integrity. they are independant variables to which i play upon when the mood strikes me.

You want intellect you can consult my science degree...
you want honesty, then i think patience would be a fair trade for that.

all else said and done,
i have seen your first posts and i hope to see more...as long as you extend that courtesy to other poets on the site.

~Dawn
lenore
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16 posted 01-29-2004 12:40 AM       View Profile for lenore   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for lenore

"You want intellect you can consult my science degree..."

HA!  Well gosh, a science degree!  I've never seen such intellect!
Severn
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17 posted 01-29-2004 12:52 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Hm.  

So far we've had Lenore whining and Lenore being sarcastic.

Quite honestly - with an attitude like this I for one can't be bothered. Now, that's not so nice is it?

lenore
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18 posted 01-29-2004 01:09 AM       View Profile for lenore   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for lenore

"So far we've had Lenore whining and Lenore being sarcastic.

Quite honestly - with an attitude like this I for one can't be bothered. Now, that's not so nice is it."


FINALLY!
THANKYOU!!!
I've been HOPING like hell that someone would finally express some real emotion...
Theres no better moment than when the claws come out.

Thankyou sincerely,
-Lenore xoxo
Severn
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19 posted 01-29-2004 01:14 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Snort.

I admit it - that got me laughing.

lenore
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20 posted 01-29-2004 01:16 AM       View Profile for lenore   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for lenore

*smiles*
Nice to know I can still make people laugh.
Wait...I've been doing it all day...
*shrugs and smiles some more*

-Lenore xoxo
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your'e a winner
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