Saluting with misty eyes
Your thoughts were very well stated, however, there are a few that I would respectfully suggest are out of place.
...trying to control THOUGHTS is a little to extreme in the quest for an Utopian web site...
Ron is not attempting to make this an Utopian site as I have understood you to suggest. He is very simply attempting to make it a site that even children can enjoy without parents having to concern themselves with what is being displayed. There are also many people in this world who are offended by such language and the themes that are put into the adult forums.
...These are words that have shown up on prime time television...
It is true that many of the words that could be better served with the ever popular "*" are heard on television, the majority of them are relegated to the premium cable movie channels, and are not readily available on broadcast. I am of course referring to the 7 that George Carlin has so eloquently reminded us of.
It is also true that parents are- most of us- intelligent to know which shows are not for children. Example, my 9 y/o daughter (who posts on here, BTW) is not permitted to watch the Osbournes simply because of the language. The people in Standards and Practices (censors) force MTV to substitute that annoying "BEEP" everytime Ozzy decides to open his mouth, yet it is very readily apparent what word he has used. Putting a blur over a naked body, or a wrestler using obscene gestures does not prevent anyone from knowing exactly what is being shown.
Also in the shows and movies where the more adult language IS being permitted, I am able to know in advance that the language is being used, and I prevent my daughter from watching said shows. I am unable to do this with a poetry site that would allow unbridled profanity, and "adult-oriented" themes to be accessed by anyone.
Instead of having a rating system for the poetry, which would over-tax an already overworked Ron and Mod Staff, the Mature Forums have been instituted where such language may be readily used without edits. If you are of an age where you are permitted access to the Mature Content, then I do not see where your challenge would lie in simply transferring your works there, as they would still be enjoyed by many... including myself. If you are not af an age, then I invite you to continue writing the adult language and themes...for your own enjoyment, as I did for nearly 20 years until I found this site.
Early on in my enjoyment of this site, I wrote a poem about the "joys" of combat, and used asterisks in place of such language as I had heard while serving in the military, and I a finger shaken in my face for doing so, and had my scribble re-posted in MC. Perhaps it is just that I am usually much more easy-going than many people I know, however I found nothing wrong with what had been done to my thoughts. They were still available for the "R" rated audiences to enjoy, yet out of the way of any children taht might be on the site or anyone (such as my mother) who would have been offended by the language.
...trying to control THOUGHTS is a little to extreme...
There has NEVER been a case of this site trying to control the thoughts of ANYONE as far as I can remember having been a member here, anymore than the movie rating organization attempts to control the thoughts of screen writers... PIP, like that organization, is attempting to control the ACCESS to those thoughts by minors. Which is something that responsible adults attempt to do every day.
...Seems to me to be bordering on, oh say, Thought Police...
While I agree with your right to think the way you think, I find this particular sentance to be insulting to the owner of this site, and to the people who made up the rules, and the Mods who enforce those rules. Again, NO ONE is attemping to block your thoughts, or your right to express those thoughts... however, as this is a privately owned site, and as we have children as young as 9 who read these pages, certain rules have been put into place to allow the greatest number an opportunity to enjoy these pages.
As I was the one that actually made the edit, I also find it insulting that you are accusing me of such actions. I did not act unilaterally to disrespect you, or to "police" your thoughts. I did it, after consulting others who serve as Mods, to enforce the rules that you, yourself agreed to follow when you joined the site almost 2 months ago.
I would invite you (and also ask you) to continue posting the story. It is well written and I am interested to see what comes next... if you feel that you must use the language that is in contention, all I ask is that you put it in Insights. It is in the Mature Content section and is designed for both poetry and prose.
And we thank you for your support.
Cause in my dreams it's always there
The evil face that twists my mind
And brings me to despair.
[This message has been edited by Ringo (12-30-2003 01:22 AM).]