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25 posted 10-03-2003 06:02 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Cool!

I'm guessing that means the speeding ticket I got last month is null and void, too? The sheriff, after all, pulled me over with absolutely no attempt to write or call me first.
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26 posted 10-03-2003 07:06 PM       View Profile for Miah   Email Miah   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Miah


Ron,

At least you knew what you were doing was wrong.  

Maybe he should have called you.

At least you weren't innocent, I mean it's not every day the cops pull over the wrong speeder! haha
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27 posted 10-03-2003 08:25 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

GEEZ Ron--just how fast is your CD burner anyhow?

(serenity ducks and runs...)
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28 posted 10-03-2003 11:52 PM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

Miah- There is one small flaw, as I see it, in your argument about Ron knowing what he was doing being wrong. I was 5 when I knew tht taking something that wasn't mine that I didn't have permission and didn't pay for was wrong.
No matter how anyone would like to put a spin on it, pulling music off the internet without paying for it, copying a CD or tape without that you didn't pay for, or giving to to someone who didn't pay for the original CD is taking, and that by definition is wrong.
I do believe that the fine levied was completely excessive, however I still feel some sort of action needs to be taken. If my daughter were to get into trouble for stealing, or breaking something, or whatever, I am going to be the one responsible for it. The argument that she was only a teenager actually hold no water.
Those aer my thoughts, anyhow.

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and able to reach the impossible if we try.

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29 posted 10-04-2003 12:03 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I recently saw a cartoon, that depicted parents standing over their children who were seated at their respective pc's. The caption was:

"Oh thank God. It's just PORN. We thought you were downloading MUSIC."

Like anything of value, the internet WILL be used to exploit. There IS a disparity of law globally that becomes more apparent daily as the world shrinks in size.

I agree that must be dealt with. There has to be the happy medium between producer and consumer.

Some see this as threat and I see it as leverage--FINALLY.

I look forward to the changes, and trust that the integrity of artistry will continue--as long as there are artists.
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30 posted 10-04-2003 12:09 AM       View Profile for Miah   Email Miah   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Miah

Ringo,

It's not that I don't agree with you, but to be honest, it is instilled in us at a very young age that stealing from stores or others is wrong.  My problem is with file sharing is  not all know it is wrong, however, they do now.  I for one never thought anything of it until Napster.


Needless to say my point in all this was not weather or not file sharing was wrong, we know that it is, but instead the way the RIAA went about it.  I am not saying there shouldn't have been any action taken, but a different approach should have been sought out.  The article I posted about their new approach valadates my point.  
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I will admit something to you all, I am a recovering file downloader addict.Did I know this was wrong? of course I did, but the allure of free music, and even getting movies before their release! overpowering!
I watched LOTR a week before it came out, a great full screen acadamy awards copy! Now I no longer down load, out of fear, but I admit my evil addiction, and have been sober for 3 months.(well, kinda, we are only talking about download addiction right?)I dont argue I was right, just that it was easy.Where else do you get Joan Biaz and Dylan singing "it aint me babe" live? thats just an excuse, I have downloaded shamelessy since napster.
I agree that this is copyright infringement.
But it was so easy! So now I do not download, and await how the industry decides to truly deal with unstoppable addiction.Because it is unstoppable.The industry needs to find a way to redefine how it delivers content, because they will never stop the downloads.

Jason

[This message has been edited by Jason Lyle (10-04-2003 12:48 AM).]

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quote:
... because they will never stop the downloads.

Sure they will, Jason.

The impact of economic laws is as inevitable and predictable as that of physical laws. When it is no longer profitable to produce music, the music will stop being produced. Shortly after that, the downloads will stop, too.
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33 posted 10-04-2003 02:22 PM       View Profile for Jason Lyle   Email Jason Lyle   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jason Lyle

I have to say Ron, I have read many of your opinions, and I am awed by alot of them.But do you really think the music will ever stop? The music will never stop, even if you were right, that they would stop producing it, we would continue to trade the old stuff.It is not stopable, but may be adaptable.

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Greed on both sides is the problem of this issue.  
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35 posted 10-04-2003 04:50 PM       View Profile for Miah   Email Miah   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Miah

If you can't beat them join them?? lol

Always drink upstream from the herd.
-- Will Rogers

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quote:
... we would continue to trade the old stuff. It is not stopable

You're probably right, Jason. People would continue listening to the old stuff, if only because they would then have no other alternative. Still, you might want to ask yourself when was the last time you downloaded Pat Boone or Tennessee Ernie Ford? The old stuff is usually someone's last choice, not their only choice.
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37 posted 11-19-2003 04:12 PM       View Profile for Brad Majors   Email Brad Majors   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad Majors

I'm split on this but I download older stuff . I'm sure with everyone downloading it does dampen sells but instead dealing with the problems they want to erase them. Music Industry is far more worried then many artists. Cds put money back in thier pocket and if folks are downloading then they lose. artists lose in the way if sales drop to much they could get dropped. Napster shook the industry and its still dumbfounded. They needed to approach napster's founder and work with him instead of killing it. Kazza is a bigger animal and the industry has figured that it would rather kill it from the inside by killing the user base then tackle the company. The thing is for every move the programmers and hackers will be one step ahead because the industry is too dense. Right or wrong if you want someting and don't want to pay its there. How many 12 years olds will get fined as the guy who sells illegal cds on ebay on which has music he downloaded gets away free.
 
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