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I wonder..........what EXACTLY is your definition of a clique?

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0 posted 09-04-2003 01:18 AM       View Profile for garysgirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit garysgirl's Home Page   View IP for garysgirl

I'm wondering what each of you really feel that the definition of a CLIQUE is? I know what the dictionaries say, but what do you feel it is?

I'm really not wanting any arguments to take place....I just really want to know what you feel.......
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1 posted 09-04-2003 01:29 AM       View Profile for QjQ   Email QjQ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for QjQ

Sorry but personally i have no idea what a clique is? My only knowledge of cliques is in dictionaries and after reading them i have no interest in being involved in any or all cliques.


         

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2 posted 09-04-2003 02:56 AM       View Profile for Kaoru   Email Kaoru   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kaoru

I just see it as a comfort zone made out of humans..

I guess my opinion is if you're in one you seem to think of it as a tight, small group of friends. And if you think back to highschool, you'd notice the different types of people that hang out with the same people all year.. They rarely, if ever, make many friends outside of that group..and if they did, the other friend was rarely invited to that person's said group.

I don't mean to be stereotypical, but it's almost like the Popular cheerleader making buddies with the most unpopular girl in the school.. chances are, at least at that level of maturity, the cheerleader isn't going to want to introduce this girl to her other popular cheerleader friends.

Most cliques ARE stereotypical..but then again, I remember being friends with all types of people.. I never hung out with just one, or just a few. I made friends with just about anyone.

But say there's a group of four upperclass adult women, and another group of middleclass women all at the PTA? I'm sure, not all of the time, but I'm sure that adults do the same things as these highschool kids.

I actually don't mind the groups, it's a part of our nature.. It's almost habit, I'm sure.. I'd have to look into it more.

So, like said in previous thread, a clique is merely a group of people with the same interests.. and I've said this, and I'll say it again..

It's fine to have some close friends with common interests.. But, you'll also be losing out on a lot of new things by not..say,
expanding your horizons..

Sorry this is so long, my fingers took over.
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3 posted 09-04-2003 11:27 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

I think a clique is more than just a close group of friends- it's a very exclusive group of friends, usually unwilling to let others in, especially if they don't conform to the 'stereotype.'
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4 posted 09-04-2003 08:47 PM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

I would have to go with hush on this one... Examples would be varsity Football players, Varsity cheerleaders, Goths, punks, the rich/popular crowd. Granted I am being stereotypical with this list, however each of these groups have a membership that shares similar values, desires, and outlooks on life. They don't want their "little world" contaminated by one that they feel is unworthy.
Did the varsity Defensive Lineman call up the president of the audiovisual club and ask him to the latest "cool" party? How about the captain of the Varsity cheerleaders... did she ask that new freshman with the freckles, zits and too big glasses to cheering tryouts???
How about the "rich" kids? does the new kid from the inner city who's on food stamps going to get a fair shake with this crowd?
Probably not. it is not proper, and there are exceptions, however it is the way of the world, and human nature at its most basic.

research: Heathers, Never Been Kissed, Sixteen Candles, Pretty In Pink, Rudy... etc.

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my friends call themselves hippie-goths? is that even possible? the group that is artistic, intelegent and often mistaken for depressed because they way we express ourselves. we have a tight cliche, but me and one of my friends are also part of the 'inn' croud, so cliches are imperfect. they have holes, what can I say?

and there are..of course cliches here. and all of us know it. I won't give examples. though I wouldn't say I don't usualy venture out of my 'cliche.' there are a lot  

cliche people seem to bother me. they rarely base it on friendship, where I come from. but here is a different story. but E? are you angry or just confused.


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6 posted 09-06-2003 12:49 AM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

*snickering at 'Heathers'*
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7 posted 09-06-2003 01:58 AM       View Profile for garysgirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit garysgirl's Home Page   View IP for garysgirl

Liz, I have to admit that I wasn't "confused" when I posted this.....but, yes, a little bit angry. I get tired of people always talking about "cliques", when actually they themselves are in their own little "cliques".

This happens in every group of people who congregate......whether it's in Church, at work, or here at Passions. It seems to me that practically everyone has a special group of friends, who have like interests and things in common......people whose personalities are similar.  It's just that some people don't call their little group a "clique". They only call the other groups of friends cliques when they feel that they themselves, or part of their own group of friends is being left out of something. I personally think that jealousy is the reason  for this, or insecurity or something.

I personally have always had a special group of friends, but I have also always tried  to be friendly to everyone. I know that people don't like to feel left out of things, but if they will just stop and look at themselves and their own "clique" they will see that they do the same thing that they accuse others of doing.

My main purpose for starting this thread was to try to get people to look at themselves.

As long as there is a large group of people, there are always going to be sepearate little groups within the whole. That is only life. Right? There aren't many people who like to be completely by themselves all the time, now is there? That's the purpose of making friends in the first place.

I want to tell the ones of you who have repled to this that I thank you all. Probably more have read it who didn't reply. I hope so, because I really would like for people to realize what they do and to take a look at themselves instead of wanting to criticize others all the time.

Thank you all, and let's do try to all get along. Okay? We have a wonderful place here to gather to read and write poetry. Let's enjoy it. Okay? I really do love all of you, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart, too.
Again, thanks,
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8 posted 09-06-2003 03:31 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

*clique*

frown.

*clique-clique*

frown again.

OHhhhhhhhhh...

(wrong remote!)

*click*

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



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9 posted 09-06-2003 08:15 AM       View Profile for QjQ   Email QjQ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for QjQ

Sorry but personally i have no idea what a clique is? My only knowledge of cliques is in dictionaries and after reading them i have no interest in being involved in any or all cliques.

After reading the comments on this thread and others, I still hold firm that I'm not interested in so called cliques or any other activity that sets their own standards apart for their own benefit,, and that does not benefit the general public.

                



[This message has been edited by QjQ (09-06-2003 08:21 AM).]

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10 posted 09-06-2003 01:47 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

I think of a clique as a little group wonted to be introverted, and often clandestine in its pursuits.  It is not like a compact company or fellowship of lay people or artisans but a group that is often detached from the common or artistic society because the members thereof do not feel accepted and share a joint general or specific dudgeon.
I would rather be part of societies than "cliques"


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A "clique" is any group you would like to be a part of, but that will not admit you. if you are part of the group, they are friends, if you ain't, they are just some snooty clique

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WIND! LOL, as you switched the term from clique to cliche. LOL.
Both terms ARE cliche in a way.
LOL at Karen's reply.

I have a book on clicker training that is cliche in some ways, that teaches the reader(if they follow the directions) how to train or re-train creatures to respond 'appropriately'....click click click
(LOL if you wish, Serenity)
Maybe we can click away clique mentality?
Humans are all in one clique, the rest of the animal world is in a different clique.
Does God hold the clicker?

Talk about ranting and digressing!!!!
I think I belong to a clique that most people don't want any part of....LOL.
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he he. Kacy i love ya.

could you train me with a clicker?

gemma must not eat junk foooood!

Instant karma's gonna get you.

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14 posted 09-07-2003 09:12 PM       View Profile for QjQ   Email QjQ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for QjQ

After careful and sensible consideration given to the many comments about the cliques,

I find them of no harm to anyone

because there are far more non-participants envolved in cliques

therefore, the non-participants have the advantage.

       

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Hmmm... don't think I could go that far... our mom's always warned us about falling in with the 'wrong' circles...

some cliques are bad... very, very bad.

Al Quaida for example, the senior management of Enron, the Bloods, the Cripps, etc.
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But then, again, Reb, (as I'm sure you're hinting at), there are also very, very good groups of people with like interests. The ones that some would rather not be involved in.

I wouldn't necessarily call these groups "cliques", but they are groups, nonetheless. There are many of these groups in Church, school, work, and the internet. And, as I said, they're not all bad.

Really, it's just what other people have in their heads that a group of people is called. The other people who aren't in the group are the ones who call them "cliques" in the first place. Sometimes the only reason the others aren't in the group is because they don't want to be.....because they don't have the same interests, probably.




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17 posted 09-08-2003 02:19 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Yes Ethel -- from the moment of birth we're in at least a group of two!

no escaping it

no man (or woman) is an island
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18 posted 09-08-2003 02:22 PM       View Profile for garysgirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit garysgirl's Home Page   View IP for garysgirl

Amen, Reb...and I personally would not want to be an island. LOL  

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Watch the movie, The Breakfast Club.  That may give you all an idea of what cliques are about.

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Imteresting thread.

I've been following
it all along and wasn't going to enter my two cents worth, but have a change of mind.

There are a few things I have strong feelings about and the strength of my feelings is based on personal experience.

I'll comment on just one:

I am unaware of which church "groups" others are or have been involved with, so, can only describe my experience with my own involvement.

NONE of the churches I've attended have had cliques.

I've been a member of the choir in a few churches during my lifetime. I can unequivocally state that the choirs were NOT a clique, even though we all shared the "same interest." No one in these choirs felt a need to exclude others, as is with most cliques. Anyone who had a singing voice was welcome to join.

Likewise, everyone was welcome to participate in any other area of church membership, whether a member or not. NO ONE was excluded!

Other "groups with like interest" can also be considered non-clique groups, as well.

You've a fine thread started here, Ethel. I, for one, appreciate it!  

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21 posted 09-08-2003 07:30 PM       View Profile for garysgirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit garysgirl's Home Page   View IP for garysgirl

JilGirl, that is what I am trying to get across.

Just because there are groups with like interest who are together a lot, does not mean that they are a clique....or that they exclude others from joining in with them if they so desire.  

The reason this was even started was because there was a feeling that there were cliques here who were excluding others by not replying to their poetry.

There are lots of reasons people don't reply to others poetry. I don't claim to know all the reasons. All I know is that there is no possible way that one person can reply to every poem that is posted at Passions In Poetry, unless they stay on here for 24/7.

I have been a little bit aggravated at times when I see threads or read comments where people are making these comments about "cliques". I for one try to read everybody and it is impossible for me to do so.

I was only trying to get people to see that everyone belongs to some kind of group...and that they are not all considered cliques. I don't like the word itself, because of the meaning people give to it. It's an ugly word to me...or the referral of it is.

Anyway, as I said before, I love this place and everyone here and hate for someone to put Passions or the people down. I really do appreciate Ron and all the administrators and moderators for trying to keep Passions In Poetry running as smoothly as it does.

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22 posted 09-08-2003 09:46 PM       View Profile for Nightshade   Email Nightshade   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nightshade's Home Page   View IP for Nightshade

I thought cliques were those shiny, metal thingys on the bottom of tap shoes!
(sorry, I am in pain ... tendonitis)
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I now understand why so many don't get recognised for their postings, too many have so many friends to PATRONIZE that time is not allowed for them to encourage new people.

Now my questions are? IS IT FAIR?  HOW LONG DOES A NEW MEMBER HAVE TO BE HERE TO BECOME ENCOURAGED?

           

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ermm..no..thats not true. I reply to new mebers,if I don't like them, I say something nice, and generaly give them a second chance. and I have a group that I prefer, but that doesn't mean I limit myself to them. QJQ...I hope you are not suggesting that we patronize you, I reply to you a lot. I don't see any obseesive 'cliques' here. that would be rather pathetic.

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