I understand completely what raph means when he uses the word Clique.
Sometimes in here, it's like going back to school, people 'ganging up' against people through personal issues, and not so personal, petty issues, using their clique of friends to make people feel unwelcome? it's childish. like bullies. I know I use the word clique in the negative way, as do many people when describing when 'friendships' are used to exclude and upset others. Once again using power in numbers. and oh, it is pathetic, and seen more and more often. I wish I could ever think of the word clique in a positive way, in representing a group of good friends. But no, in some cases, it doesn't stop there.
That, to me is something people should get a grip of. A lot of us here are adults, and some of the younger members behave in a more mature manner than the adults.
and I know, this behaviour is rife all over the world, lol, always the places you least expect. Once, working for a religious charitable organisation, I have never experienced so much cattiness and bitching. Behind backs, always. Don't ge me wrong, those people were so lovely, but to eachother, they couldn't have been more vile. Trying to involve others in thier own personal indifferences. And it was so sad to see. and no, I'm not saying that just because they were religious, they shouldn't have been making these mistakes, and that it was worse. But because it was a loving environment, with no need for such behaviour. Like pip. Like many people, I suppose i expect more of pip. But in the end, we can say PIP isn't perfect til our eyeballs turn blue, there can never be enough rules to keep everything peaceful, our entire earth is the perfect example don't you think? lol. But when we say US, I think , it may make more sense, then, we may be getting somewhere. It is so true, when we are seen at fault, we go nnoooooo not ME! For a long long time, we hide from our own faults, and why? Even when we SAY we are admitting to something, who goes and takes a look at themselves and does something about it.
to quote lennon, people say, that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
he he. thanks john. R.I.P xx
I know its asking something that people have asked for millions of times before, but pip is, a one in a million kind of place, with people here, that I'd never have met before. and I'm becoming saddened more often, watching the boards of late. Though there is a whooooole lot of love going on in this place, there is so much unneccessary 'attitude'
I KNOW, we can't all get along. It's impossible. Raph knows that, and don't we all. I know I don't get along with some people, but I don't go out of my way to make others dislike them. Nor make that person feel uncomfortable. But I think maybe Raph wanted to make people look at some of their behaviour, SOME of the time. to step back and look at how easily we all fall under one of those categories.
perhaps the way to DO something about it, should be seen as a personal goal. To look at how we push people away, and never give them chances. To say what we really mean to eachother, without having to bicker, talk behind closed doors. Agreeing with things/people, when we hold a completely different view in reality.
Because it is true, when someone complains, we all act as if this whole place is perfect, and the answers given are that to leave, and do they know how hard ron works.
Most of us do, and appreciate, and always will.
But again, when those arrows are fired, we duck, and let them hit PIP, and not ourselves. I myself am witnessing, not problems with rules, but problems with peoples attitudes towards eachother.
We all make mistakes, why not everybody look at them, or even recognise them, and do something about them. it never hurts to ask. does it? and maybe out of a 1000 who reads this, one person may look at themselves and their behaviour and think, huh, yep guilty, and make a change.
Me, a pathetic dreamer? YES! and proud.
Instant karma's gonna get you.
[This message has been edited by gemjop (08-28-2003 12:02 AM).]