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Reflections and nausea

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Severn
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25 posted 05-05-2003 02:55 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

I think, personally, that everyone needs to calm down - and remember the reasons we're here.

Everyone makes mistakes.
Everyone screws up.

I really think it's time to let this go yes?

K
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26 posted 05-12-2003 10:16 AM       View Profile for regards2you   Email regards2you   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for regards2you



And, I think everyone is missing the lesson here and there, at the original thread.

The ~grace~, patience and goodwill toward [everyone], that Ron has taught me by observing his behavior toward critisism on a personal level as well as of his efforts to publish a book for the pleasure of others, and even mananged to build in a way for them to profit financially from it....according to how much work, individually, they choose to do. If other poets put in a small percentage the effort Ron has on this book there is no doubt he'd need many more print runs.

Not sure why it seems to elude some. GRACE and HUMILITY and LOVE, (respect) and understanding, giving anyone a chance to redeem themselves if need be, if they want to, they remain a member of this family, forgiven, not forgotten, nor shunned.

Ron ~unwittingly~ set perfect examples of ways for me to behave because I certainly fall short many times.    

With warmest regards, Pat

      
Crazy Eddie
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27 posted 05-12-2003 11:29 AM       View Profile for Crazy Eddie   Email Crazy Eddie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crazy Eddie


I thought this thread was long dead, looks like I was wrong.

regards2you

You said:

quote:
And, I think everyone is missing the lesson here and there, at the original thread.

The ~grace~, patience and goodwill toward [everyone], that Ron has taught me by observing his behavior toward critisism on a personal level as well as of his efforts to publish a book for the pleasure of others, and even mananged to build in a way for them to profit financially from it....according to how much work, individually, they choose to do. If other poets put in a small percentage the effort Ron has on this book there is no doubt he'd need many more print runs.

Not sure why it seems to elude some. GRACE and HUMILITY and LOVE, (respect) and understanding, giving anyone a chance to redeem themselves if need be, if they want to, they remain a member of this family, forgiven, not forgotten, nor shunned.

Ron ~unwittingly~ set perfect examples of ways for me to behave because I certainly fall short many times.



Iíve read this several times but have to admit that Iím a little confused, are you agreeing with JPís comments in this thread or are you disagreeing with them? Perhaps youíre saying that JP shouldnít have posted his comments in the first place or maybe you think he has the right to freely post whatever he wants to post without the hindrance of anyone posting an opposing view.

Could you clarify?
Sven
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28 posted 05-12-2003 12:31 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

I'm with K. . . it's time to move on. . .



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Crazy Eddie
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29 posted 05-12-2003 12:47 PM       View Profile for Crazy Eddie   Email Crazy Eddie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crazy Eddie


Iím with regards2you I think we should discuss it.

JP
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30 posted 05-12-2003 03:52 PM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

Why?
Can't we just let it die?

Yesterday is ash, tomorrow is smoke; only today does the fire burn.
Nil Desperandum, Fata viem invenient

regards2you
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31 posted 05-12-2003 04:24 PM       View Profile for regards2you   Email regards2you   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for regards2you


Crazy Eddie,


"The Alley

This forum is for flaming, complainin', and screaming your head off. Respectfully, of course"

I have no opinion of what JP said.
Or, of anyone else's comments, for that matter.

I will note: (It had been finished between Dixie and Ron).

Jp had an opinion that I didn't feel obligated to comment on.

To each his own. And, he put it exactly in the correct forum.

This is JP's thread and if he wants it to discontinue, then it should be and if he said that already, then I apologize for I missed it.

I love good rip roaring battles...but, this one is not mine.  

My opinion is as stated. It is merely an overall observation regarding the threads. I should not have used the word [everybody] in opening sentence.

This is my little box and if my previous comment confused you Eddie then I am sorry.  Seems like I broke unwritten rules of not replying to the orignal comment.

I think JP has a right to say anything he wanted. Whether it is liked or not, is beside the point, isn't it? Isn't it about his right to speak his mind?


Hugs to you and all, Pat  



[This message has been edited by regards2you (05-12-2003 04:27 PM).]

Crazy Eddie
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32 posted 05-12-2003 05:08 PM       View Profile for Crazy Eddie   Email Crazy Eddie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crazy Eddie


Isnít it about his right to speak his mind?

This is just another way of saying freedom of speech but are we really free to say anything we want?

On reflection this thread perhaps isnít the best place to discuss it.

JP sorry about jumping in again, as I said I thought this thread was long dead too, this will be my last word - HONEST!  
Ron
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33 posted 05-12-2003 05:33 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

quote:
This is just another way of saying freedom of speech but are we really free to say anything we want?

Under any system, whether it be at pipTalk, in America, or in Cuba or Iran, people can say anything they want. But under ANY system, saying anything you want isn't free. It always carries a price. President Bush has learned that. Tim Robbins has learned it. And I'm sure many unnamed people in many less open societies have also learned it. The price will be different from country to country and, usually, from situation to situation, but it rarely drops to zero for anything really worth saying.

The question isn't whether someone can say anything they want. The question is whether they recognize and are willing to pay the price.
Brad
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34 posted 05-12-2003 07:43 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

And if what we said had no consequences, would we really want to say it?

Absolute free speech trivializes speech.

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