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0 posted 04-27-2003 03:16 PM       View Profile for fractal007   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for fractal007

OK, what exactly are people talking about over in the forum on the US and their foreign policy, with regard to destruction of albums by the Dixie Chicks?  

Is it really true that someone burned and destroyed albums by a music band?  That's wierd...

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Yes it is true fractal, Dixie Chicks singer Natalie Maines stated in concert "Just so you know, we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas." their CDs were crushed beneath a 33,000-pound tractor in Louisiana. Radio stations in Texas pulled their music altogether. The South Carolina House of Representatives called for them to apologize. They've also recieved death threats and radio stations in cities hosting their concerts are calling on people to give them the treatment.
I couldn't care less about the Dixie Chicks or their music but this is what's happening, so much for freedom of expression.
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ditto what Raph said
so much for freedom
but this is an example of what happens when you criticize the king
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There is an old adage in show business -- if you get arrested just make sure they spell your name right in the papers.

There is already a new verb in America.  'Dixie-Chicked'.  Meaning -- the aforementioned treatment of Dixie Chick CD's et al.

While my disdain for this president is well documented on these threads and I strongly uphold the Chicks right to free speech -- I think all of this has been blown up to extreme proportions.

First, I don't think the Chicks could even name two countries in the middle east let alone understand the politics that are involved.  That reason by itself should be enough for the comment to have been ignored.  But it wasn't.  How do we know about this?

Once again -- the press is pulling the strings -- excepting -- I imagine -- the press strings have been pulled by some rather shrewd publisists.

Tim Robins, Susan Sarandon, The Chicks and Ms. Maines are now practically household names on the global stage.

You can't buy that kind of publicity.

On the other hand -- if people don't want to listen to their music -- that's freedom.  If they want to buy the CD's and run over them with a steam roller -- that's freedom.  If they want to put pressure on radio stations not to play the music -- that's freedom.  If radio stations want to cave to that pressure -- that's freedom.

Natalie had the right to free speech -- she used it.  Other people are using their rights.  Right or wrong.

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She said that about Bush when she was in England on tour. With patriotism in full swing and soldiers in harm's way, it's no wonder a fervent group of people took this as unpatriotic. Notice I said 'group'.

Not everyone will smash their Dixie Chicks CDs. Not everyone will boycott Tim Robbins or Susan Sarandon or Martin Sheen. But those that do, for their own political reasons, have the right to do so. Just as all the aforementioned 'celebrities' have the right to state their opinion against military action in Iraq.

When you are in the public eye as these people are, you must expect vilification as well as adulation.

If the average Joe Blow down the street yells out that he's embarrassed to be from Texas because that's where the President came from, I don't think you'd see the garbagemen skip his house..or the paperboy throw the paper through his window.

Bottom line? If you're gonna stand on the stage and make pronouncements (of any kind) then you better be prepared for the tomatoes as well as the roses.
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fracta, it's not really that weird or unique. I don't know if any of you kids were around in the sixties, but if you were then you heard the sounds of tens of thousands of Beatles albums being burned and steamrollered when Paul was basically misquoted as saying the Beatles were bigger than God. Entertainers or people in the public eye are always susceptible to this happening. It's not a Bush happening nor is it an administrative or denial of freedom of speech happening. It was normal people who found the timing and place of her words to be despicable and they exercised their rights to show their dissatisfaction. Even members of the music industry rose up against her. The Marshall Tucker and Charlie Daniel's bands are honoring all Dixie Chicks concert tickets if the ticketholders will come to their concerts instead and boycott theirs. It's no big thing....to blow it out of proportion or use it in a thread that protests Bush's policies (which you did not do here) is simply silly. It's just people being people - and it happens in many countries in a variety of ways...
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I donít think theyíve been punished enough, the government should set up a commission to weasel out any singer; actor; writer or director involved in any un-American activity and blacklist the lot of them.

Itíd never happen though, would it?
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Careful Eddie -- you could find yourself elected to the U.S. Senate talking like that.
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Yeah Eddie but you'd have to change your name to Joe.
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Let's see, the Dixie Chicks in their banishment have been featured in a state of undress on a national magazine, have appeared on national news magazines as featured segments, and have had countless country western stations perform publicity stunts to bring their name before the public.  Almost makes me want to go out and buy one of their albums so I can take it down to a publicity stunt at a radio station.
From what I know, the Chick, (don't know their names), was telling a poor excuse of a joke and not attempting to make a political statement.  Perhaps they could get Toe to write them a humorous poem to present next time to liven up their act.  Heck, we could take Toe's poetry then and have Balladeer spray it with bug spray and then Toe could appear semi-naked with the Chick's on a national magazine, kind of a beauty and the beast type shot.
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...or we could just have Toe recite poetry. That's  not only un-American - that's inhumane!!

(when Toe heard about this whole fiasco, he went out and smashed 2000 dixie cups - he gets confused easily)
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And I hear as Toe was mashing the cups down he was singing at the top of his lungs,
The night they smashed old Dixie down...
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Just to put my couple-a pennies in the wash...
I am on this post more times thn I'd like to remember supporting the President, the war-effort, and everything connected with it. I also am severely disappointed that the girl said what she did. I will also fight to the finish her right to have said it, even though I am not a great supporter of the band themselves. Her, and Tim Robbins, and Susan Sarandon, and even the poets on this site that I have publicly disagreed with- regardless of nationality- hav that right in my eyes. I don't recall getting straight A's in histroy in school, however, I do remember something about the 1st amendment giving a person, or persons, permission to speak their minds without censure, as long as they are not advocating the overthrow of the government, or such as that... which was not what happened.
Granted, in the entertainment industry, there is no such thing as bad publicity, and I do feel that they are talented enough, and have a large enough fan base to get through this.
Anyways, that's the world according to Ringo.
Oh, yeah... one last thing... 'Deer... I believe it was John Lennon who made that statement. The only thing about it, was the fact that it was actually true. They didn't say they were better, but they were, in fact, more popular.

When the morning cries and you don't know why...

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But the government didn't do anything to those who spoke out against the war/president/government.

It was ordinary people. Not the government. Not an official. Just ordinary people. Making a statement. Wanting to be heard.
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with the possible exception of the South Carolina legislature's own little publicity stunt
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"In particular was the controversy over John Lennonís mistaken remark that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. This resulted in some record burning and protests and the Beatles lost some of their sweet, manufactured media image, and began to deal with more serious subjects. "

Right you are, Mr. Ringo. At least I got the band's name right!

....and, yes, it WAS a true statement
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Right you are, Rebel....a dumb publicity stunt with no teeth aimed solely to get a headline. Imagine a politician doing that!!
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1. To me, the Dixie Chicks are no big deal...it is amazing what air-brushing and having a make-up artist can do.

2. I couldn't care if they posed nude or not.

3. Before they render their political viewpoints, they should know who their audience is.

4. If they protest the war, so what, they are free to protest the war. If their fans refuse to purchase their material, so what, they are free not to purchase it.
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The Dixie Chicks, Tim Robins, Susan Sarandon and anyone else who spoke out against the war are admirable in having done so. It takes a certain kind of intestinal fortitude to speak out for what you believe in. Thousands of Americans have fought, and died for that right. Speaking of Tim Robins, I never knew much about him before, but having read a speech he made I have a lot of respect for him. I think I will share that speech for those of us who may not have heard it. I challenge anyone to tell me what is unpatriotic about what he said. It's a bit long but worth the read. BTW, The girl from the Dixie Chicks obviously did not think through what she was saying, which make the reactions to it all the more ridiculous.


-TIM ROBBINS: Thank you. And thanks for the invitation. I had originally been asked here to talk about the war and our current political situation, but I have instead chosen to hijack this opportunity and talk about baseball and show business. (Laughter.) Just kidding. Sort of.

I can't tell you how moved I have been at the overwhelming support I have received from newspapers throughout the country in these past few days. I hold no illusions that all of these journalists agree with me on my views against the war. While the journalists' outrage at the cancellation of our appearance in Cooperstown is not about my views, it is about my right to express these views. I am extremely grateful that there are those of you out there still with a fierce belief in constitutionally guaranteed rights. We need you, the press, now more than ever. This is a crucial moment for all of us.

For all of the ugliness and tragedy of 9-11, there was a brief period afterward where I held a great hope, in the midst of the tears and shocked faces of New Yorkers, in the midst of the lethal air we breathed as we worked at Ground Zero, in the midst of my children's terror at being so close to this crime against humanity, in the midst of all this, I held on to a glimmer of hope in the naive assumption that something good could come out of it.

I imagined our leaders seizing upon this moment of unity in America, this moment when no one wanted to talk about Democrat versus Republican, white versus black, or any of the other ridiculous divisions that dominate our public discourse. I imagined our leaders going on television telling the citizens that although we all want to be at Ground Zero, we can't, but there is work that is needed to be done all over America. Our help is needed at community centers to tutor children, to teach them to read. Our work is needed at old-age homes to visit the lonely and infirmed; in gutted neighborhoods to rebuild housing and clean up parks, and convert abandoned lots to baseball fields. I imagined leadership that would take this incredible energy, this generosity of spirit and create a new unity in America born out of the chaos and tragedy of 9/11, a new unity that would send a message to terrorists everywhere: If you attack us, we will become stronger, cleaner, better educated, and more unified. You will strengthen our commitment to justice and democracy by your inhumane attacks on us. Like a Phoenix out of the fire, we will be reborn.

And then came the speech: You are either with us or against us. And the bombing began. And the old paradigm was restored as our leader encouraged us to show our patriotism by shopping and by volunteering to join groups that would turn in their neighbor for any suspicious behavior.

In the 19 months since 9-11, we have seen our democracy compromised by fear and hatred. Basic inalienable rights, due process, the sanctity of the home have been quickly compromised in a climate of fear. A unified American public has grown bitterly divided, and a world population that had profound sympathy and support for us has grown contemptuous and distrustful, viewing us as we once viewed the Soviet Union, as a rogue state.

This past weekend, Susan and I and the three kids went to Florida for a family reunion of sorts. Amidst the alcohol and the dancing, sugar-rushing children, there was, of course, talk of the war. And the most frightening thing about the weekend was the amount of times we were thanked for speaking out against the war because that individual speaking thought it unsafe to do so in their own community, in their own life. Keep talking, they said; I haven't been able to open my mouth.

A relative tells me that a history teacher tells his 11-year-old son, my nephew, that Susan Sarandon is endangering the troops by her opposition to the war. Another teacher in a different school asks our niece if we are coming to the school play. They're not welcome here, said the molder of young minds.

Another relative tells me of a school board decision to cancel a civics event that was proposing to have a moment of silence for those who have died in the war because the students were including dead Iraqi civilians in their silent prayer.

A teacher in another nephew's school is fired for wearing a T- shirt with a peace sign on it. And a friend of the family tells of listening to the radio down South as the talk radio host calls for the murder of a prominent anti-war activist. Death threats have appeared on other prominent anti-war activists' doorsteps for their views. Relatives of ours have received threatening e-mails and phone calls. And my 13-year-old boy, who has done nothing to anybody, has recently been embarrassed and humiliated by a sadistic creep who writes -- or, rather, scratches his column with his fingernails in dirt.

Susan and I have been listed as traitors, as supporters of Saddam, and various other epithets by the Aussie gossip rags masquerading as newspapers, and by their fair and balanced electronic media cousins, 19th Century Fox. (Laughter.) Apologies to Gore Vidal. (Applause.)

Two weeks ago, the United Way canceled Susan's appearance at a conference on women's leadership. And both of us last week were told that both we and the First Amendment were not welcome at the Baseball Hall of Fame.

A famous middle-aged rock-and-roller called me last week to thank me for speaking out against the war, only to go on to tell me that he could not speak himself because he fears repercussions from Clear Channel. "They promote our concert appearances," he said. "They own most of the stations that play our music. I can't come out against this war."

And here in Washington, Helen Thomas finds herself banished to the back of the room and uncalled on after asking Ari Fleischer whether our showing prisoners of war at Guantanamo Bay on television violated the Geneva Convention.

A chill wind is blowing in this nation. A message is being sent through the White House and its allies in talk radio and Clear Channel and Cooperstown. If you oppose this administration, there can and will be ramifications.

Every day, the air waves are filled with warnings, veiled and unveiled threats, spewed invective and hatred directed at any voice of dissent. And the public, like so many relatives and friends that I saw this weekend, sit in mute opposition and fear.

I am sick of hearing about Hollywood being against this war. Hollywood's heavy hitters, the real power brokers and cover-of-the- magazine stars, have been largely silent on this issue. But Hollywood, the concept, has always been a popular target.

I remember when the Columbine High School shootings happened. President Clinton criticized Hollywood for contributing to this terrible tragedy -- this, as we were dropping bombs over Kosovo. Could the violent actions of our leaders contribute somewhat to the violent fantasies of our teenagers? Or is it all just Hollywood and rock and roll?

I remember reading at the time that one of the shooters had tried to enlist to fight the real war a week before he acted out his war in real life at Columbine. I talked about this in the press at the time. And curiously, no one accused me of being unpatriotic for criticizing Clinton. In fact, the same radio patriots that call us traitors today engaged in daily personal attacks on their president during the war in Kosovo.

Today, prominent politicians who have decried violence in movies -- the "Blame Hollywooders," if you will -- recently voted to give our current president the power to unleash real violence in our current war. They want us to stop the fictional violence but are okay with the real kind.

And these same people that tolerate the real violence of war don't want to see the result of it on the nightly news. Unlike the rest of the world, our news coverage of this war remains sanitized, without a glimpse of the blood and gore inflicted upon our soldiers or the women and children in Iraq. Violence as a concept, an abstraction -- it's very strange.

As we applaud the hard-edged realism of the opening battle scene of "Saving Private Ryan," we cringe at the thought of seeing the same on the nightly news. We are told it would be pornographic. We want no part of reality in real life. We demand that war be painstakingly realized on the screen, but that war remain imagined and conceptualized in real life.

And in the midst of all this madness, where is the political opposition? Where have all the Democrats gone? Long time passing, long time ago. (Applause.) With apologies to Robert Byrd, I have to say it is pretty embarrassing to live in a country where a five-foot- one comedian has more guts than most politicians. (Applause.) We need leaders, not pragmatists that cower before the spin zones of former entertainment journalists. We need leaders who can understand the Constitution, congressman who don't in a moment of fear abdicate their most important power, the right to declare war to the executive branch. And, please, can we please stop the congressional sing-a- longs? (Laughter.)

In this time when a citizenry applauds the liberation of a country as it lives in fear of its own freedom, when an administration official releases an attack ad questioning the patriotism of a legless Vietnam veteran running for Congress, when people all over the country fear reprisal if they use their right to free speech, it is time to get angry. It is time to get fierce. And it doesn't take much to shift the tide. My 11-year-old nephew, mentioned earlier, a shy kid who never talks in class, stood up to his history teacher who was questioning Susan's patriotism. "That's my aunt you're talking about. Stop it." And the stunned teacher backtracks and began stammering compliments in embarrassment.

Sportswriters across the country reacted with such overwhelming fury at the Hall of Fame that the president of the Hall admitted he made a mistake and Major League Baseball disavowed any connection to the actions of the Hall's president. A bully can be stopped, and so can a mob. It takes one person with the courage and a resolute voice.

The journalists in this country can battle back at those who would rewrite our Constitution in Patriot Act II, or "Patriot, The Sequel," as we would call it in Hollywood. We are counting on you to star in that movie. Journalists can insist that they not be used as publicists by this administration. (Applause.) The next White House correspondent to be called on by Ari Fleischer should defer their question to the back of the room, to the banished journalist du jour. (Applause.) And any instance of intimidation to free speech should be battled against. Any acquiescence or intimidation at this point will only lead to more intimidation. You have, whether you like it or not, an awesome responsibility and an awesome power: the fate of discourse, the health of this republic is in your hands, whether you write on the left or the right. This is your time, and the destiny you have chosen.

We lay the continuance of our democracy on your desks, and count on your pens to be mightier. Millions are watching and waiting in mute frustration and hope - hoping for someone to defend the spirit and letter of our Constitution, and to defy the intimidation that is visited upon us daily in the name of national security and warped notions of patriotism.

Our ability to disagree, and our inherent right to question our leaders and criticize their actions define who we are. To allow those rights to be taken away out of fear, to punish people for their beliefs, to limit access in the news media to differing opinions is to acknowledge our democracy's defeat. These are challenging times. There is a wave of hate that seeks to divide us -- right and left, pro-war and anti-war. In the name of my 11-year-old nephew, and all the other unreported victims of this hostile and unproductive environment of fear, let us try to find our common ground as a nation. Let us celebrate this grand and glorious experiment that has survived for 227 years. To do so we must honor and fight vigilantly for the things that unite us -- like freedom, the First Amendment and, yes, baseball. (Applause.)

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"I challenge anyone to tell me what is unpatriotic about what he said."

~ There is nothing unpatriotic about his speech, but that doesn't mean the opinions given are facts. In fact, I found some of it to be completely nonsensical, while other parts were drenched in hyperbole, politically slanted, biased, unproven, and chockfull of folklore.

I have read much better patriotic speeches than this one.

Hyperbole in its finest moment.

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Hey! How do I get Dixie-chicked? (I'll settle for getting Jane-Fonda'd)
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Hmmm... Hyperbole; Opinions which are not necessarily facts; folklore etc. etc.

If my memory and vocabulary serves me correctly, hyperbole is something which is not to be taken literally. An exaggeration. So I guess Tim Robins was stretching the truth (exaggerating) and should really not be taken seriously. And apparently most of what he had to say were merely opinions. Could someone please tell me if all I have read about Patriot Act 1 and Patriot act 2 are exaggerations....and if they are not to be taken literally? Because if what I have read is true, then Tim Robins is to be taken as seriously as a heart attack. But what do I know? I guess the guy was just trying to get publicity... or just trying to be a rabble rouser.

Call it hyperbole, call it whatever. It sounded to me like the musings of a guy who loves his country and hates to see what is happening to it. To scoff at what he said because it doesn't fall in line with your point of view is shameful.
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morefiah, please take a look at some of the things said in Mr. Robbin's speech...

In the 19 months since 9-11, we have seen our democracy compromised by fear and hatred

Basic inalienable rights, due process, the sanctity of the home have been quickly compromised in a climate of fear.

A unified American public has grown bitterly divided


A chill wind is blowing in this nation

Every day, the air waves are filled with warnings, veiled and unveiled threats, spewed invective and hatred directed at any voice of dissent. And the public, like so many relatives and friends that I saw this weekend, sit in mute opposition and fear.

these same people that tolerate the real violence of war don't want to see the result of it on the nightly news. Unlike the rest of the world, our news coverage of this war remains sanitized,


We need leaders who can understand the Constitution

In this time when a citizenry applauds the liberation of a country as it lives in fear of its own freedom

when people all over the country fear reprisal if they use their right to free speech, it is time to get angry.


Millions are watching and waiting in mute frustration and hope - hoping for someone to defend the spirit and letter of our Constitution, and to defy the intimidation that is visited upon us daily in the name of national security and warped notions of patriotism.

There is a wave of hate that seeks to divide us


My God, man, do you expect this not to be scoffed at? This is an actor doing what he does best....nothing more. It would be interesting to know all you have read about Patriot Act 2 or Patriot: The Sequel..they don't exist. That was a joke he was cracking to make a point. The rest of it is basically nonsense. Come on up to the states and see our country "compromised by fear and hatred, bitterly divided in a climate of fear." Don't be surprised or disappointed if you don't see it.

Do you understand what the whole Tim Robbins deal was about? He had been asked to appear based on the anniversary of a baseball movie's release in which he starred. He was told that it was a purely baseball celebration, not a platform for political or war-related rhetoric. Would he honor that? He declined to answer. After what had happened at the Oscar presentations, Cooperstown was not willing to take the chance that he would abuse the ceremony to push his own agenda. His appearance wans cancelled.

That's it.

In his wounded fit of pique, he has responded by claiming the Constitution has been trashed, America is ruled by fear, hatred and the gestapo, that neighbor is pitted against neighbor in a country-wide atmosphere of terror and mistrust....all because his appearance was cancelled. And our point of view is shameful if we scoff at it?

So be it. He is willing to trash the government and stir up as much controversy as possible for having an appearance cancelled and we are the ones who should feel ashamed...I do so happily.
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Much of Robins speech posted above is accurate.  Much of it is not.  I'm not going to go through and point out which is which because this is not the speech that got him in trouble.  

Besides, there is a much more notable point:

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Speaking of Tim Robins, I never knew much about him before
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On another note -- if I was dubya I'd invite the Chicks to the White House, have them put on a show and shake their hands afterwards for a big photo op and have the First Lady smiling and telling Natalie how much she loves their music.

As it stands right now the appearance is Big Powerful President vs. Little Weak Girl Singer.
 
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