Member Rara Avis
I have been raised Roman Catholic - I believe (I did say believe) that whatever we abide by leads to the same path in the end and that no one person is condemned to "Hell" for their beliefs and that as long as we lead a considerably good life - we will all be ok.
I must include these statements - for they are the only ones that make any sense to me at all:
God, I feel out of my league to even post again, I thought I knew my history but some of you guys are amazing. But after reading several post that to me smack of bigotry......Catholics are not christians? Judaism is not a religon? Pity the non-christian, they will go to hell? I can only hope that God is not truly as shallow as we are.I know of christian sects that worship with snakes, and others that practice polegamy(sp?)I have friends that are practicing christian jews (is that a conflict?) Muslims revere Jesus Christ as a great prophet.All of these religons have deep pagan roots.And as to the bible? does the "inspired word of God" , mean the dictated word of God? God can inspire me, And his inspiration can lead me to write joyous words.One thousand years from now, if those words are added to the King James, does that make the "book of Jason Lyle", the word of God? Once again, these arguments seem shallow to me, they seem beneath Gods' intent.I go to a catholic church, was raised in the church of christ, have called myself an athiest at times.I truly believe if I go to a place called heaven, And meet a being called God. I will find many good people of many differant faiths. And I think we will find out that God never cared if we called him Yahweh, or prayed to (through) Mary, or welcomed the day with alms to Allah,or practiced Buhddism. God does not practice bigotry.
. . . let me share with you an important lesson the catholic church learned early in this century. With the popularity of philosophy the church found itself faced with its most serious threat, a populace of educated, intelligent and extremely curious people who began to question the church's authority and the scripture's themselves. The Catholic Church decided to fight fire with fire and formed a group out of it's most intelligent and promising clerics in order to combat logic with logic. The problem was that once the clerics themselves were let loose in the vaults to arm themselves with deeper knowledge in an effort to counterattack most all of them abrubtly left the church disillusioned with what they've learned.
. . . everything beyond that is down to personal belief based on highly questionable evidence.
- Crazy Eddie
Anyone who truly believes they have "the answer" is a fool if they announce it and a hypocrite if they don't. The recalcitrant alcoholic doesn't want our sympathy. The delirious man dying of a high fever doesn't want our help. The abused child doesn't want to be taken from their mother, and the patriotic Iraqi doesn't want our interference. But if you know you have the answer that will save the alcoholic, cure the dying man, protect the child, and free the Iraqi, how can any decent human being willfully ignore their obligation to help? Ironically, I think those most apt to bristle at the uninvited prayers of a Christian are the ones the least likely to stand by and do nothing when they are called upon to make their own decision.
The more one learns, the more one studies history, philosophy, ancient civilizations and their religions, the wiser one becomes. - Opeth
It's too bad there isn't any salvation from religious bigotry. - Local Rebel[/b]
So? wanna start a thread on "how orange is orange?" - Ed
I still go along with the bumper sticker that states "Dear God, protect me from your followers". - Balladeer
I took a long hard look at the history of the religion I was raised in and to claim the words are law knowing how the words were chosen and how the church was formed simply does not wash with me.
I'm still trying to correlate this to your original statement that Catholicism is the world's oldest religion and that bit about preists and satanism.
- Local Rebel
Whew! Ok what I have surmised here that makes any sense - sorry if I missed a few but the ones stated above are relevant in every way. What I do not believe in is that we go to "Hell" for not living the life according to the Bible. (In my opinion, it is a guidebook - nothing more -I take from it which applies to my life and I think God is ok with that seeing as I havent been engulfed in the flames of hellfire. Not yet anyhow. *Wink*
The words of the bible are taken much too literal. Passages are misconstrued and followed word for word. This is not what was intended. In the Bible, it does say that time is eternal and that one day is like a thousand days. EX: do you actually believe it took seven days to create everything? Of course not. That is just foolish. This is mans' understanding of ho wtime works, not God. It was written so man could understand.
As for the notion that we all must be saved - quite frankly - the word "saved" scares me. EX: My neice, who is eighteen, has led a pure life, never done anything wrong, is a sweet soul etc. She has never been baptized, accepted Christ in the church or confirmed. Do I believe that if the world ended tomorrow, that she would go straight to Hell? OF COURSE NOT. Why?
This is not how God works
This is how organized religion works, and not all , but most. It is ludicrous to think that God would not accept any one of his children - no matter their belief, color, sexual preference or the number of times they worshipped (another scary word) Him.
To denounce any religion, or belief system, in my opinion - is a direct contradiction of the very thing that history itself has "tried" to teach us. That being the simple phrase: LOVE ONE ANOTHER . . .
Like I said, I take parts that apply to my life and this one certainly does apply to us all:
Matthew: 5: 43-48: (this is a direct quote of Jesus)
"You have heard that it was said, "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in Heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous . . . "
I tend to stick to the Psalms . . . they are first to last poetry, impassioned, vivid and concrete, rich in image, simile, metaphor, assonance, alliteration and wordplay. The psalms cry out in distress and give voice to suffering in a hostile and evil world.
"The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye . . . the story of love is hello and goodbye. Until we meet again." - James Marshall Hendrix
[This message has been edited by littlewing (05-01-2003 09:00 AM).]