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Brad
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0 posted 03-12-2003 09:09 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad


quote:

ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON, March 11 — Show the flag and pass the ketchup was the order of the day in House cafeterias Tuesday. Lawmakers struck a lunchtime blow against the French and put “freedom fries” on the menu. And for breakfast they’ll now have “freedom toast.”

THE NAME changes follow similar actions by restaurants around the country protesting French opposition to the administration’s Iraq war plans.
“Update. Now Serving in All House Office Buildings, ‘Freedom Fries,”’ read a sign that Republican Reps. Bob Ney of Ohio and Walter Jones of North Carolina placed at the register in the Longworth Office Building food court.
Jones said he was inspired by Cubbie’s restaurant in Beaufort, N.C., in his district, one of the first to put “freedom fries” on the menu instead of french fries.

‘SMALL BUT SYMBOLIC EFFORT’
“This action today is a small but symbolic effort to show the strong displeasure of many on Capitol Hill with the actions of our so-called ally, France,” said Ney, chairman of the House Administration Committee.
Ney, whose panel oversees House operations, ordered the menu changes.
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The French Embassy in Washington had no immediate comment, except to say that french fries actually come from Belgium.
Ney said he was of French descent and “once the French government comes around we can get back to talking about french fries.”
On a more serious note, Republican Jim Saxton of New Jersey has proposed a ban on Pentagon participation in this year’s Paris Air Show and restrictions on French participation in any postwar construction projects in Iraq.
But House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said at a news conference that applying legislative sanctions to France was not necessary. “I don’t think we have to retaliate against France. They’ve isolated themselves pretty well,” he said.”



Uh huh, I see no difference between the right and the left in America. You just want different code words.
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1 posted 03-12-2003 09:20 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

The real question remains, however, do you want your "freedom fries" super-sized?





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What do you mean, Brad?

Forgive me if I'm being dense here... I'm not sure how to feel about 'freedom fries,' our government ceasing to trade with France, and a U.S. boycott of French goods... other than that it seems silly to me to start punishing countries that aren't actually our enemies... I can understand the 'victory cabbage' propaganda from WWII... but it seems like we're now not only bullying people to stop doing what we don't want them to do in terms of military buildup/aggression, but also to get them to comply with our policies? Isn't it enough that France and Russia won't get in on the oil free-for-all when this is all over? (No, I don't think it's just about oil, but it's a factor that's unavoidable (and profitable) in our planning for post-war Iraq...)

But anyway, what code words? If 'freedom' instead of 'French' is the Right's, what's the Left's?
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Yep, I agree, deVine one...thank you

[This message has been edited by Balladeer (03-12-2003 10:30 PM).]

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THANK YOU MIKE!!!! YOU ARE A DOLL!!!

And I think renaming french fries is stupid. Get over it.

[This message has been edited by Poet deVine (03-12-2003 10:54 PM).]

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More code words:
quote:

I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why didn't the Jews fight back?"

Now I know why.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why weren't we prepared?"

Now I know why.

Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil people.

On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.

On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations have announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.

I will not be manipulated.

I will not pretend to understand.

I will not forget.

I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.

I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president."

I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President Bush's motives for not returning immediately to Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington."

And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor should they be expected -- to show deference."

I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.

I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications.

I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like those perfected by the previous administration.

I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the silly "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.

I will not be influenced by so-called, "antiwar demonstrators" who exploit the right of _expression to chant anti-American obscenities.

I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines.

I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose reassurance over reality.

I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 7,000 but 70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?"

There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!

I will force myself to:
                                 -hear the weeping
             -feel the helplessness
                             -imagine the terror
                                 -sense the panic
                                 -smell the burning flesh
-experience the loss
                                 -remember the hatred.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?"

Now I know.

We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.


Hush,

You ask for the left's code words? How about "Not my president, not my war."?

This is a self-performative contradiction. You don't protest, you don't feel angry unless he is your president as he is mine.


Example: I don't see anybody in America trying to extradite the former Peruvian president Fujimori from Japan. Why? Because he's not my, not your, not any American's president.

The left hasn't figured it out yet. America is not Amerika. As long as it continues to think that way, they talk themselves out of any substantive change. They argue over the name of Christmas for chrissakes.

  
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Okay, if it's gone, this goes too.

But I'll leave this:

I have always believed that it is an American duty to hate the French and have never met a French person I've disliked.

But somehow it's not funny anymore.

[This message has been edited by Brad (03-13-2003 06:24 AM).]

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and I'll pretend my vote counts.

I'll pretend Florida never happened.

I'll pretend the last presidential address wasn't scripted propaganda.

I will pretend that, yes, just as was said on the Bill Mahr's show last night, that no one said, "Of course we know Saddam has weapons of mass destruction--because we kept the receipts."

I'll pretend further I didn't applaud.

I'll pretend I wasn't even here, much like MANY already do.

I'll pretend that my comments are not discounted as "fluff" simply because they do not fit this call-and-response agenda.

I will pretend I don't recognize the format of the persuasive/argumentative essay.

I will pretend I don't also recognize the psychological motivation behind it.
What I won't pretend is that anything I say here makes a difference THERE.

Have fun good poets, and PEACE.

and now? I'm gonna go pretend that PEACE is possible, because no one has ever successfully argued the difference between "pretend" and FAITH to me.

(now pretending I didn't come back to edit because I was typing so fast...hard to type with precision when one is seeing RED.)

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Actually -- I'm thankful the President's press conference (what press conference?) was scripted.

He's a horrible extemporaneous speaker.

Say's stupid things that get us all in trouble...

Like..

Crusade.

Remember?


But as to the notion that the right is no different from the left.... haven't I been saying that all along???

Glad you're on board.

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During a coffee break: one of my colleagues raised the questions:

"Will this ultimately lead to the US govt. returning the Statue of Liberty that was gifted by the French?"

"What about Russian Vodka and German Beer etc?"

....

The result about 15 colleagues staring at the floor; possibly admiring the 3 year old carpet; until one of them sneered 'stupid Americans' and everybody laughed, forcing me to add 'maybe only some... politicians'

Nobody listened.

Regards,
Sudhir
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French fries might only be the tip of a very ominous looking iceberg, there seems to be a growing feeling among some Americans that further action should be taken to “punish” (perhaps the wrong word) the errant decision by the French to speak out against the move to war. I have to wonder how far these suggestions have been thought through though, I may be wrong but isn’t it likely to alienate a useful and active ally in the fight against terrorism? If the American Government continues to denigrate France and distances itself too far from them is the French government more or less likely to act as the eyes and ears of American interests as far as anti-terrorism is concerned?

I also have to wonder how much pressure is being exerted on smaller countries to meet the nine vote watermark, you have to be pretty naïve to believe it isn’t happening. I mean if America is willing to consider sanctions against France what’s being threatened or offered in the corridors of the UN to get positive votes and under such circumstances how free is the vote going to be and how credible can the result be under such circumstances?
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The problem you mention, CE, is most clearly put into focus with Turkey.

What exactly has been promised there?

Nobody's talking.

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Brad,

I agree the situation in Turkey is slightly strange, as far as I understand it the Turkish people are against American troops using the country to stage a northern incursion into Iraq. The government however seems to be cutting a deal and allowing the bases to be prepared and the hardware put into place but leaving the minor detail of about 62,000 American troops moving in until the last minute.

The shrewd Turkish government has also announced that any decision about allowing a land-based assault would definitely not include permission for an assault by air. Which sounds suspiciously like the land troop deal has already been done and the Turks are trying to wring a little extra for the use of their airspace. As to why…

quote:
If the Turkish parliament reverses course and backs the deployment of 62,000 troops, the administration would ask the Republican-led Congress to provide $6 billion in direct aid, $4 billion of which could secure loans totaling as much as $24 billion.

As a downpayment on congressional action, the United States would provide Turkey with an $8.5 billion bridge loan from Treasury's Exchange Stabilization Fund, contingent on the Turkish parliament approving a budget endorsed by the International Monetary Fund


Excerpt taken from:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030311/pl_nm/iraq_turkey_usa_dc_1
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"...there seems to be a growing feeling among some Americans that further action should be taken to “punish” (perhaps the wrong word) the errant decision by the French to speak out against the move to war."

Very interesting words, Eddie. Everything is a conspiracy, I suppose. Damned Americans and their wheeling-dealing to get their way. You may want to rethink your comments after WIlliam Saffire's article in the New York Times today....the one called the French Connection. Saffire is not a Bush mouthpiece...he is a very well-respected writer for the Times. He found in two weeks of investigation that French exporters were making it possible for Iraq to buy solid rocket fuel propellants from China, funneling it through Syria, a commodity strictly forbidden by UN mandates. There are apparently many such transactions occuring between Iraq and France. Interesting how China and France team up to get illegal shipments to Iraq and both are using their veto powers against the American proposals. There was an article years ago that the French government got a stern letter from Hussein after they did not speak out against America in the Gulf War basically threatening blackmail concerning telling the world about France's aid in helping Iraq build their nuclear program if they didn't distance themselves. No, I didn't see the letter and I can't even prove it existed but enough did for it to make the news. If you want to feel that France is opposing the US proposals due to humanitarian or moral reasons, be my guest, but there is certainly enough proof to show that their hands are very deep in Hussein's ample pockets. To me, that is their main reason for their opposition. There decisions are not "errant". They are doing their best to not bite the hand feeding them. I doubt seriously also if they want all of evidence to become visible should Hussein be forced to leave and records go into the hands of the UN. I'll repost the pic I took down yesterday, without the poor taste remark attached to it.



No, Brad, I didn't post it to refer to Naziism, but to refer to the fact that France did not fight to defend themselves against Hitler, either. They "collaborated" and handed over the keys to Paris rather than defend it. I don't see any photos of Hitler posing in front of Buckingham Palace. The Brits decided to fight for their country- against the odds, to the death if necessary rather than accept defeat. The French cheered the Allied liberating armies as they marched into Paris after ousting Hitler.....and now what? America, England and more countries than you think recognize another threat to democracy and world peace and the French government, who  would be eating bratwurst instead of quiche if it weren't for them, goes against them....because it would stop the profits Iraq is providing.

Let them....

As one general said, "Fighting a war without the French would be like - well, World War II."
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this whole thread is bizzare.  Renaming FRENCH fries is a silly symbolic gesture to get the emotion-vote, will it help build suport for the administration's actions against Iraq!  yeah, it will help, does it make one bit of difference in this crazy world?  No.

Having a few restaurants change the name of the fried potatoe dregs they serve is no punishment to France, it is a way to acknowledge that one does not appreciate their nonsupport in the ensuing UN vote.  I find it stupid, and the idea that it has stirred so much attention has be dumbfounded (dumb is a good word for this whole topic).

As far as left and right code words - both sides hold the prize for partisan inanity. Political views based solely on allegiance to the political party are the biggest threat to our nation and our freedoms enjoyed through the effort, tears and bloodshed of our forebears and contemporaries.  Do yourselves and the country a favor and pull your heads out of your partisan as...  hats, and take a look at the truths and lies of both sides.

Yesterday is ash, tomorrow is smoke; only today does the fire burn.
Nil Desperandum, Fata viem invenient

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LOL! Bizzare is right, JP! But expecting people to be bi-partisan? Ain't gonna happen in our lifetime.


I just hope the Italians don't turn against us. I'm running out of dressings for my salad!!
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politicism, "patriotism", and all other thinly veiled attempts at indoctrination, while serving a purpose, don't tend to serve me. i will happily order french fries or nothing at all. they can have my irreverance when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

all i am saying, is give thought a chance.
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What gets me about the French government is how they quickly dismissed the U.K. new resolution. For a country and for all those who desire peace, that particular resolution was the answer this world needed.

And for Iraq to lambaste the resolution was a "spat in the eye of peace."

Iraq is willfully and purposely dividing the United Nations and the U.N. is too blind to see this? I think not. Logic dictates that Iraq has some countries of the U.N. secretly tucked away in its back pocket.

How many nations hate America out of jealousy? How many nations would love to see us lose our superpower status? How many nations would love to see our country on its knees at the mercy of the rest of the world?

I'll answer it this way, at the very least one to begin with...
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Balladeer,

I wasn’t referring to any conspiracy, my statement was prompted by the open questions by American journalists to US Government officials aired on national television.

It’s strange though that you’ve decided to deny such depth of feeling and alienation with.....well such depth of feeling.

I’m reassured to see however that here at least, Americans aren’t deriding the French with ludicrous statements and jingoistic outpourings.

I’d also like to mention at this point my gratitude and admiration towards the thousands of Free French and French resistance forces you didn’t mention who valiantly laid down their lives during WWII fighting for their country.


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Eddie, I will always respond with depth of feeling....otherwise, why respond?

I didn't mention them because my comments were aimed at the French government and their actions, or lack of. I also salute the common citizen resistance fighters who had to do it on their own.

Strange that you - or no one responded to the actions of the French in the Times story I outlined. That's why conversations like this never work out. Poeple look for what they can disagree with and ignore whatever they cannot dispute which may not coincide with their way of thinking. Ron's response to the Marine letter was an issue of inconstancy which made him feel shame as a Marine. I don't disagree with his conclusion over that point but there were many other things in that letter which were pertinent which went ignored, not only by him but everyone else. This thread is nothing more than a lesson in selective reading and responding. All I see is applauding what's in one's favor, criticizing whatever debatable issue isn't and closing eyes to anything factual that clashes with one's views.

Think I'll go watch Star Trek...
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Commenting on the assertion of one person, in this case Safire, and either holding it up as fact or attempting to shoot it down as fiction would be foolhardy on my part without first reading the allegations in full. Even then my scepticism would force me to seek collaborating evidence especially when the claims are proffered by a journalist/columnist, people that make their money selling news are apt to see news where none exists and change direction more times than the wind. I’m not claiming that Safire is correct nor am I claiming he’s incorrect, I’m keeping my mouth shut because I don’t know enough about the assertion to claim an opinion either way.

I do recall reading one quote I believe was attributed to Safire:

"One difference between French appeasement and American appeasement is that France pays ransom in cash and gets its hostages back while the United States pays ransom in arms and gets additional hostages taken."

William Safire

I’ll read the article and get back to you.
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Balladeer,

Isn’t the Internet a wonderful tool.

I’ve read the article and have distilled the information I gleaned to the points below please feel free to correct me on any parts I may have misinterpreted:

quote:
their nationals have been illicitly supplying Saddam Hussein with materials used in building long-range surface-to-surface missiles.

hydroxy terminated polybutadiene – The resin allegedly sold and delivered to Syria by a Chinese company through the auspices of a French shipping agent can indeed be used as a binder for rocket fuel. It can, and also is, regularly used in a plethora of other none military applications.

The French company involved – CIS - are alleged to have arranged delivery of the resin to Syria obtaining all necessary licenses and breaching no UN sanctions.

No evidence is offered to support the assertion that the final destination was Iraq, in fact Safire seems to allude to the fact that the resin is still in a Syrian warehouse

quote:
We will have to wait until after the war to find out how much other weaponry, for what huge fees, Saddam has stored in currently un-inspectable Syrian warehouses.


In brief - a French shipping agent arranged delivery of a common resin to Syria breaching no UN sanctions.

The amazing part for me is that Safire seems to be bragging that it only took him a week to find all this out:

quote:
I've been poking around for only about a week, starting with data originating from an Arab source, not from the C.I.A. (Anti-Kurdish analysts at Langley have it in for me for embarrassing them for 18 months on Al Qaeda's ties to Saddam, especially in the terrorist Ansar enclave in Iraqi Kurdistan.)


I’m left wondering what he was doing for the other six days!

Thanks for the chance to read and reply


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Craig...and thank you for checking into it. The inference that Safire drew from this was that of course the shipments were earmarked for Syria...they couldn't have put Iraq on the bill of lading and that the shipment was then sent to Iraq by truck. Yes, he said that the information was very easy to come by so he is sure the administration has that info also.

Buckley's article tomorrow will state this:

"The French foreign minister does not spend time elaborating the commercial attachments of the French to the government of Iraq, but we know in general what they are. France gets oil from Iraq and sells munitions to Iraq and machinery and some other products. France has, therefore, a stake in continuing such commerce."

Personally I think that these are the main reasons for the automatic and unwavering veto stand they are presenting.

Again, thanks for the interest and the opinions...

By the way..

hydroxy terminated polybutadiene  resin

The product bulletin by Sartomer (the producer of this product) for this particular product states one and only one suggested application for this product...

binders for military applications

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Balladeer,

It seems we are using the same Company from which to glean information I could make reference to great minds thinking alike but I wouldn’t want to drag you down to my level.  

My understanding is that hydroxy terminated polybutadiene is a family of chemical resins and while hydroxl terminated polybutadiene has a suggested use connected with missile propellant the other derivatives do not. Safire isn’t specific on which hydroxy terminated polybutadiene product was involved in the alleged transaction, which may be intentional on his part. You mentioned earlier about selective reading, in most cases I tend to agree people do cherry pick what supports their argument, our differing views on hydroxy terminated polybutadiene tends to support that notion but it is equally clear that writers and especially journalists/columnists play a similar game. If Safire reported that France was involved in the exportation of an epoxy resin used in the automotive industry he’s less likely to capture the imagination and emotions of the reader.

This selective use of information is used several times in the article and often it’s the parts that aren’t included or that are included but brushed over that are possibly the most interesting. Safire for instance makes a big point about the shipment not being labelled chemical but what was it labelled? If the shipment had glue plastered all over it the story is dead before it started. Who actually shipped the product? Safire goes into great detail about the Chinese and the French agent who arranged shipment with a third party shipping company, would the story smack less of conspiracy if the shipper was an American company? Then there is the issue of licensing, the derivative used as a missile fuel binder is subject to stringent export restrictions by every country in the world and those restrictions are open to even more stringent scrutiny if the receiving country is covered by UN sanctions. Safire offers no evidence to suggest that there was active collusion by the governments of China and Syria (France would not have issued export licenses as the product never entered or left that country).

As I said before the assertion by Safire is that France sold a missile fuel component to Iraq, the evidence in the article, on the face of it, only suggests that China sold a resin to Syria and the shipping agent was a French national.

Let’s presume though, just for arguments sake, that Safire has uncovered a conspiracy to sell banned substances to Iraq, based upon the evidence presented in the article are the French government guilty of any indiscretion in the matter?

As a side issue, if Sartomer was found to have been the original manufacturer of the chemical in question would it be factual to claim that an American country was supplying missile fuel components to Saddam?

Thanks again for the chance to (selectively   ) read and reply.


[This message has been edited by Crazy Eddie (03-15-2003 08:55 AM).]

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HTPB is a listed substance on the Chinese missile and missile technology control list. It seems the Chinese feel that the export of HTPB is a danger to their security if the substance were to exported and placed in the wrong hands. Not trying to be facetious, but I doubt the Chinese are concerned they are going to be glued.
 
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