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Why are fast readers picked on?

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the_loner_23
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0 posted 03-11-2003 03:02 PM       View Profile for the_loner_23   Email the_loner_23   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for the_loner_23

  I mean some people are natrually fast readers. That doesn't mean they don't take in what they read. But some people think "Oh they are reading it too fast. Their replies must be fake." Well that is not always the case. People like me and my Dad can fly through reading something and still get the jest of it. But 2 people on this site, I am not mentioning any names, have been harassing me about it. I can't help I am a natural born speed reader. Good grief.

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1 posted 03-11-2003 04:51 PM       View Profile for Crazy Eddie   Email Crazy Eddie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crazy Eddie


Why not mention names? Mentioning names is a good thing while not mentioning names on the other hand infers that the unnamed people have a good reason to remain unnamed Ė like theyíve committed a cardinal sin or something, attested to by the very fact that they canít be named.

If I wasnít one of the two before you may have to amend the number of sinners to three (and my name is Craig if anyone is interested).

On the 25th Sept 2002 I posted a poem called Flowers for the Passers-Bye, a crappy ditty of fifteen lines that made about as much sense as a chocolate ashtray. I posted at  07:25 and went back into the poem to make sure it was there, imagine my amazement when I saw a reply by yourself posted at, and wait for it, 07:25.

Hereís the reply I posted:

quote:
Thank you for the reply.

Iím a little confused though, you seem to have posted your reply at the same time, or within the same minute, that I posted my poem. Did you actually mean to reply to this poem or has the forum software accidentally stuck a reply meant for another poem on the wrong thread?

If anyone has an answer Iíd be interested to hear it.


Did you read it - get the gist of it - hit the reply button - type your reply - hit the submit button all within less than 60 seconds? Or did, as I presumed at the time, the forum software throw a wobbly and post your reply on the wrong poem?


the_loner_23
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2 posted 03-11-2003 05:24 PM       View Profile for the_loner_23   Email the_loner_23   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for the_loner_23

I am a fast typer too. So it could all be possible.

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Crazy Eddie
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3 posted 03-11-2003 05:37 PM       View Profile for Crazy Eddie   Email Crazy Eddie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crazy Eddie


Awesome
Brad
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4 posted 03-11-2003 06:29 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

The point of a poem is to get the gist?
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5 posted 03-11-2003 07:07 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Poems have gists? Are they connected to the funny bone?

I can sometimes read a poem in a minute..if it's short...and not complicated.

sea_of_okc
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6 posted 03-11-2003 08:53 PM       View Profile for sea_of_okc   Email sea_of_okc   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for sea_of_okc

Shoot I can read a poem in seconds and post a reply in seconds also. Now understanding the poem and posting a thoughtful reply well...

I'd kinda like to get to 1000 posts maybe I can write a program that will automatically post "nice write" "good job" "I enjoy your work" and about a dozen other "pat" replies so it won't take so much effort. hmmmmmmm
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7 posted 03-11-2003 08:55 PM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

I want some of this 'gist' y'all are talking about.  I've been writing stuff just by putting words together to make them sound pretty...  I think I missed something somewhere...

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8 posted 03-11-2003 08:55 PM       View Profile for sea_of_okc   Email sea_of_okc   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for sea_of_okc

Oh by the way I know Craig and personally I can read one of his poems 20 times and meditate on it 4 or 5 hours and still not have a clue what the gist of it is LOL
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9 posted 03-11-2003 09:34 PM       View Profile for RSWells   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for RSWells

Perhaps paranoia could be relieved by personalizing responses specific to the poem. That way it wouldn't appear as a canned response and prove that a speed reader can also absorb the intent of a work which (ordinarily) takes time and effort to compose. I've noticed too, in a more obvious place (past forums) that some individuals post two responses in the same minute. I've found my way around this site pretty well by now and don't see where anyone wins anything by being prolific in responses, just the occasional note in announcements.
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10 posted 03-11-2003 10:21 PM       View Profile for ThunderMage   Email ThunderMage   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for ThunderMage

The point of poetry is the feelings it conveys, not the "gist" or whatever. Poetry comes from your heart and soul, not your mind.

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11 posted 03-12-2003 12:35 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Thundermage - that's just not true...perhaps your poetry comes from only your heart and your soul, but I don't think you have the right to speak for others..

Mine comes from my heart, and my mind - my mind first usually.

Julie hon - you've done the same to me. Can you appreciate how a person might feel that you haven't really thought about their poetry when you post 'awesome write' in the same minute the poem was posted? Just something to think about..

K

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12 posted 03-12-2003 01:59 AM       View Profile for Janet Marie   Email Janet Marie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Janet Marie

Well Julie I am really glad you cleared this up for me, and as you can see by the responses to this, quite a few poets have noticed your reply habits and wondered.

So if sending you an email is "harrassing" you, then I am guilty as charged...but since you opened this up in a public forum instead of handling it privately in email, I will respond in the same way--- I stand by my reasons for sending it.

You replied to not one but 2 poems that night in one minutes time..and one of the poems was a 13 verse prose style piece with 687 words. You say you got the "jest" ... well then who am I to argue, in the end youre losing out if the "jest/gist" is all your getting.
Perhaps, since you type so fast, you could spend a little more time on your replies and let the poet know you got the "jest".
You are lucky to have such a gift, I type slow..and sometimes spend up to 10 mins on one indepth reply post..but when I get done..the poet knows I've read the poem and seen the work and thought that went into their write..not just the "jest of it"
But hey...to each his own...if a thumbs up smiley is what works for you...go for it.

The moth apologizes for "harrassing" you.
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13 posted 03-12-2003 04:00 AM       View Profile for Local Parasite   Email Local Parasite   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Local Parasite's Home Page   View IP for Local Parasite

Julie -

I'm with Wells on this one.  If you're going to read and reply that quickly, maybe say something a bit more personal than "beautiful" or "awesome write."  If you personalize it a little more you can indicate to the reader that you actually did read the poem and understand it.

I make a point in my replies of proving to my reader that I read and appreciated the poem.  Sometimes it doesn't take much, but there are some poems (and some poets ) that I can give a lot of time towards replying to.

I know replying to others is how you harvest replies to your own work, it's not a huge secret why people read poetry in 45 seconds and distribute replies in control-Vs... but I think you should give poets a bit more credit than that.  People obviously don't appreciate your replies if they disbelieve you've even bothered to read their poem at all.

I'm just trying to give some advice, not attack you at all... just give some advice that I think you might find useful.  

If you read and appreciate the poetry of others on this site, don't get defensive when they challenge the quality and content of your response... instead of getting defensive, make an effort towards proving them wrong.  Take a little time, you're obviously not impressing anyone with your typing and reading speed, so much as insulting and upsetting them.  Poetry isn't just something you read and digest like a chapter in a textbook, it's meant to provoke a response in the reader.  No matter how fast a reader you are, that response rarely exists within a 60-second time frame.

And if you aren't in fact some speedreader, but are, rather, someone who hands out thoughtless replies as a way of getting others to read and respond to your own work, then you should perhaps reconsider your role here at Passions in Poetry.  We all want to recieve something from this place, but we equally have to give something back.  That's what makes this site such a wonderful place to be.

Reconsider your own actions before you stand to defend them.  Do you reply for your sake or for the sake of others?  Most people here reply as a way of saying "thank you" or "I have read and appreciated your poem, and this is what I have to say."  For the most part, we do it for the sake of the person who wrote the poem.  So why is it that you defend your own actions, when the persons complaining are the ones whom you should be trying to please in the first place?

That's all I'm going to say...

"Faith" means the will to avoid knowing what is true.
~ Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

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14 posted 03-12-2003 08:28 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

In my best Moe's (from The Simpsons) voice, "Whaaaaa?"
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HeyJulie~
I also am a speed reader (and writer, by the way ! )~
So I do understand that you can 'get' it in a once-over-easy read~
I would interpret that as being a compliment to the poet, that their poetic piece was easily comprehended and enjoyable to the reader.

I don't understand the flak ... but, shucks, if you enjoy doing what you're doing ... by all means do it ... and continue to do it well !

Hon ... you're a sweetie ... stay that way~
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16 posted 03-12-2003 11:45 AM       View Profile for Cpat Hair   Email Cpat Hair   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cpat Hair

well. after having read this thread...
( slowly but not too slowly I might add)
I think perhaps some people are concerned that a reply is being posted that may have no meaning..may just be a canned response..
What I am not sure of... is why it bothers people...

I know when JM responds she has read it though about it and tried to put herself wher the author intended.... and yes..she may spend 10 minutes doing it...
and when she reads my one or two line reply to something she has posted...I think she knows I too have tried to do the same thing..
even though...the only words that come out are beautiful.. or wonderful write....

on the other hand... there are some replies that leave me wondering... still...I accept them and some over time I understand to mean more than the simple phrasing or the few words spoken...

how much time anyone spends on a poem or on a written piece in trying to understand or appreciate it.is truly up to them..and I am not insulted by either a lack of time spent or too much time spent...

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17 posted 03-12-2003 12:13 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

I performed a random sample of replies to 3 poems, and here is what I found:

17 replies - No direct comments were made in reference to the subject matter of the poem.

11 replies - Most of these made somewhat of a reference to the poem's subject matter, out of the 11, only 2-3 were actually bonafide replies dealing with the subject matter of the poem.

Which makes me wonder...how many other speed readers do we have on this site?
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18 posted 03-12-2003 12:22 PM       View Profile for Cpat Hair   Email Cpat Hair   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cpat Hair

LOL.. OPeth.. a nice sampling to draw statistical conclusions from would of course have to be much larger, but inferences may be drawn from your findings..
1.people may not know how to respond to a oem and therefore do not reference the subject matter and or feel they fail in understanding of style to be able to comment on it.
2. People don't give a damn and it is all a game.. post and reply to as many as you can the heck with poetry.
3. Some of the poetry has little value to anyone and so people reply in an absent way.
4. poets are here for ego only and therefore do not think replying is important. What is important is posting yur next poem and having eceryone else reply to it. the ego after all demands constant feeding and the words that are being shared are so much more worthy of the reply than the others.
5. all this is driven by what is percieved in the other persons mind as being proper and or the correct way to do things.


we could go on...
and while I might say these things could be inferred from your survey... and maybe even statistically proven that most people do not reply in a meaningful way to poetry..

I would ask to what end? Because in the end..people are people..and will continue to be people with all their own shortfalls and failings. Is it worse to have replies that you think mean little or no reply at all? answer to that of course depends again on the person asked..

sorry had to come back to this... reminded me of writers being like winemakers.. they use their skill and talent at blending the right words grown in the proper climate then aged in care before being presented to sample... and knowing that if consumed they will "sell" their labors for the profit... perhaps of praise..perhaps of knowing the nuances and hues of each vintage will be appreciated and recognized...

but you know... whether the wine is drunk from a paper bagged bottle or out of chrystal... as long as it is consumed..to some measure the goal has been met... someone tasted the fruit as the author presented it....

[This message has been edited by Cpat Hair (03-12-2003 12:38 PM).]

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19 posted 03-12-2003 12:36 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

"LOL.. OPeth.. a nice sampling to draw statistical conclusions from would of course have to be much larger, but inferences may be drawn from your findings.."

~ I think you may be right, the magic number is 30, but in this instance, I don't know if that number should apply to the poems sampled or the replies sampled.  
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20 posted 03-12-2003 12:39 PM       View Profile for Cpat Hair   Email Cpat Hair   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cpat Hair

tongue in cheek humor..I do appreciate..

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21 posted 03-12-2003 12:41 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

I think your 1 and 4 are probably most likely to be true.

I did fail to mention, that I don't have a stake in the topic of this thread. I performed my brief survey just to see what I would find.  

People are people, and why and how they reply to poems on this site is peronal, so be it. I really found this thread to be quite silly, indeed.

[This message has been edited by Opeth (03-12-2003 12:42 PM).]

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22 posted 03-12-2003 12:43 PM       View Profile for Cpat Hair   Email Cpat Hair   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Cpat Hair

LOL.. and we.. being human.. no matter hw silly we might have thought the thread..are here....


It figures... LMAO

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23 posted 03-12-2003 10:21 PM       View Profile for sea_of_okc   Email sea_of_okc   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for sea_of_okc

Regardless of the "quality" of response I would like to think most poets here devote at least an equal amount of their time to reading and replying as they do to writing what they post.

Perhaps the thread was started for a rather silly reason but I find Cpat and Opeth's obversations quite interesting.

Opeth says he believes 1 and 4 are most likely to be true and I say the true measure for whether an author falls into 4's category is the balance of time spent replying compared to composing. I think anyone who spends hours writing and only puts in 20 or 30 minutes reading others is not doing justice to the spirit of Passions.
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24 posted 03-12-2003 10:39 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Opeth, were the poems in question submissions for the book? I think some of those are reposts and are getting cursory replies just so the reader can vote. Take a sampling of poems from Open 22 and let's see what you get.
 
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