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Opeth
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75 posted 03-13-2003 09:34 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

You are too clever for me. Uncle.
Local Rebel
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76 posted 03-13-2003 11:46 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Such a life of pain.
Opeth
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77 posted 03-14-2003 07:29 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

"Such a life of pain."

In my best Moe (from The Simpsons) voice, "Whaaaaa?"

Maybe you need to get out more often. I have very little to no pain in my life and enjoy life immensely.
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78 posted 03-14-2003 01:37 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Well, learn something new everyday.

I was unaware the milatary was accepting junior high students.
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79 posted 03-14-2003 01:40 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

"I was unaware the milatary was accepting junior high students."

~ Well then, now that you know the military does accept Junior High students, there is nothing to stop you in enlisting, right now...today!
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80 posted 03-14-2003 01:45 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Nice try.

If you're big -- you don't have to be mean...

My money is on Brad.
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81 posted 03-14-2003 01:54 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

"Nice try."

~ Nice try about what? Again, you are much too clever.

"If you're big -- you don't have to be mean..."

~ Nah, I am gentle with my bigness.

"My money is on Brad."

~ Do I at least get odds?
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82 posted 03-14-2003 02:20 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Too clever for one as sophisticated as you?  Never...

Of course you know what I meant.. since I actually graduated junior high the first go around I'm much too old for the military now.

If you'll excuse me now  -- I have to go out again.
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83 posted 07-11-2004 01:00 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Rebel -- I don't have time to read the whole thread right now, but I'm coming back because it has definitely caught my attention now.  ...jo
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84 posted 07-13-2004 12:36 AM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

Forgive me LR I am very sleepy.

Actualy I think Every one before going in to surgery should sighn a form saying they know of the consequences, and any unusual consequence, like giant sizzor in stomache, the patient can sue. Also hospitals should Ban 24-hour and on shifts and make them no more then twelve or thirteen hours.
I think this is a case where changes must be made. in england they have a law, wear you must pay the amount you sue for if they side with the defendent. This meens the guy that blames mc donalds for him self being fat would have to pay 1 million dollars to mc donalds.

Just a thought.
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First, I want to commend Local Rebel for his McDonald's case research.  

Secondly, Balladeer, I noticed you live in Florida.  Well, I don't know how things are in Florida, but here in Texas, most of those outrageous, big verdicts get appealed or the trial court judge reduces the award.  You know, judges have that perrogative.  Judges are like gods.  They can do anything they want.  Here in Texas, it is fairly well known that the Judges are very conservative (in other words....it appears they favor special interest groups who probably helped get them in office....not always the case, every now and then there are a few good men/women, but that is the definite rumor among trial attorneys).  So, what you usuallly read about or hear about on the news is something at the trial court level....Too often, we do not hear the end of the story.....So people (in general) are biased thinking there are huge verdicts all the time.  It just doesn't happen as prevalently as you might think.  It does happen occasionally.  I can give you an example of a $6M dollar verdict which was confirmed after a three year appeal process costing the Plaintiff's attorney well over $200K to play it out (with the strong possibility of not being affirmed by the Supreme Court).  Now with that case, a poor Lubbock woman's husband split his brain open when he fell off a scaffold because there was no proper fall protection equipment.  The company that was in charge had been cited by OSHA on more than one occasion for poor safety practices.  The widow of this man went to work after his death to try to support her family.  Since she was not well educationed, the only types of jobs she could find was caring for elderly, emptying bedpans, etc.  Now that woman had a daughter and a son to raise on her own.  The award of $6M, after deducting attorneys fees, costs of the appeal, expenses of the cases, and then calculating pre-judgment and post-judgment interest because it took the case about 10 years to get through the courts, ended up being a pretty good sum.  But, tell me, how much is a man's life worth?  How much could he have helpled raise his children?  What will that little boy, who was four years old, grow up to be without a dad and his mother emptying bed pans for $5/hr.?  Isn't there a reason why pain and suffering should be awarded.  Can it be denied that this family did not suffer?  

What about a case when a child is misdelivered and brain damage occurs in the infant.....do you think that the parents of a brain damaged baby will not sustain pain and suffering for the rest of their lives?  Or what about, a 14-year-old girl who is injured and has horrendous scars on her legs and face just in time for puberty....does she not suffer?  There is no price that can be put on some folk's suffering.  That is why I think a $250,000 cap (like here in Texas on Med Mal cases in particular; and $100K cap on municipalities and the such) is hard to swallow for a lot of people.  A jury here could award $1M for pain and suffering.....but it would be reduced by the Judge after the trial(and the jurors would not know that in many cases).  

Pain and suffering are legitimate elements of damage; that is not disputed.  Putting a cap on those is an effort only to help the special interests' bottom line.  The only way you can punish a corporation and get it to take safety seriously (just one example) is through it's pocket books and what some corporations do to save a buck can kill people.  I'm not talking about the tatoo guy--that's a stupid lawsuit.  I'm talking about legitimate cases (which the ones that make to trial are).  The only real disputes by that time is just how bad is the injury or that there is some argument over responsibility.  When it is obvious it is a frivolous lawsuit, Judges have the right and take it to dismiss the case and sanction the attorney for filing it.  

I think the attorneys who advertise on TV, etc., really hurt the other advocates by doing what they do.  They are like fast food joints, it's kind of true.  There should be enforced rules against this type of advertising.  
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86 posted 07-13-2004 11:07 AM       View Profile for LeeJ   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LeeJ

If a government is corrupt, so to, shall be it's people

the trickle down effect, affects everyone...whatever decisions those who deem themselves above us make, affects the entire nation...everyone is connected...and someone pulls the plug on these theives...it will continue to grow and contaminate this country...I see it all over, it isn't about left or right anymore...and if you cannot admit that, that each party is just as corrupt as the other, nothing will ever change, and they have us right where they want us....division instead of teamwork.  

You know the pointing fingers has really insulted the intelligence of this country...and this country has bought it...that's what is even more scary to me.  

My Goodness, when will people stop fearing to wake up...does anyone here have any idea of the power and wealth through deceipt?

Everyone complains, yet everyone patronizes this behavior by buying it?

Our society is as much to blame, more concerned with material possessions then the possession of moral conduct, great care and respect for others.  And if that happened, again...it would soon trickle out...but they keep us occupied with deterrants...and no one is seeing this...or is it me thats wrong???????

Geeze Louise...common sense tells you that when people work together as a team, miracles are accomplished....but when people fight each other and point fingers nothing gets done.

Greed, greed, greed, and if there were more judges throwing some of these law suits out of court, if there were more people who understood, no amount of money is going to bring back your loss, and the insurance companies????  Well, don't get me started on them.  Big corporations....run this country...money and the powerful and rich, run this country...and the dollar bill will always buy decission...I suppose?  

Talk about morals, look at some of the thriving T.V. programs, that speaks volumns about our society today...about any intellectual or independent thought process?

Now that scares me...really scares me...we've lost common sense, intellect, we've become angry people, looking for all the gossip...pointing fingers...in a trickle down effect...which affects us all.  I believe there are some people who are merrited in their law suits...but, by far, not nearly the hords, there are those few exceptional cases, always...but this?????  What is going on today is not brothers working together, but brother against brother, all for the gain of material????

Morals, values, respect and intellectual conversation and education are dying words in this coutry today, and with their decline, also declines society.






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87 posted 07-13-2004 07:34 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

Because of checks and balences our government is stable. Because of the media, politicians are scared honest.

Just a thought
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