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CloudedDreams
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What am i to society? A 'teen'. I am the 'average' rebelious, untrustworthy, depressive teenager. Sometimes I wish that everyone would take of their stereotypical blindfolds and see our true meanings. What exactly is average anyway? That is nonexistant, the whole concept is imaginary, ideal, wht everyone "thinks" is right. If I wear a tie and baggy pants, does that make am a rebel? What if I like that look. If my hair is pink, does that mean I can't be educated and intellegent? If I get a nosering, does that gurantee I hate my parents? I just am saying that society is blinding everyone else to see what they think they do and belive what is truly a cover-up. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Yes there will be tommorrow, but will you be there to greet it?

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1 posted 12-22-2002 12:35 AM       View Profile for CloudedDreams   Email CloudedDreams   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit CloudedDreams's Home Page   View IP for CloudedDreams

This sux, I know, this is my first time ever expierementing w/ prose. Not exactly great. Be gentle, I am learning
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2 posted 12-22-2002 12:55 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Moving this to the Alley, where it can receive the proper attention.

Christopher
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Only shallow people don't judge people by their appearance.

--Oscar Wilde
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4 posted 12-22-2002 11:00 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

I've been hearing a lot of Oscar Wilde quotes lately.

Okay, I think that the reason people judge based on appearance is that there is a certain rebellious attitude associated with it. I used to do the whole rebellious look thing, with the pink hair and the torn nylons and y'know what went with it? A big middle finger to society. In my own personal experience, and my experience with others, it seems that radical clothing is often an attempt to see where one fits- what personality is best. I know that clothing style doesn't say all there is to say about a person, but resembling Avril Lavigne or Pink doesn't instantly tell people you are nothing like the celebrities you look like, or the group of teenagers that dress like that.

I don't want to offend, but the radical look si probably something you'll grow out of with time. It's not a bad thing to experiment with different looks, but eventually, for me at least, the packaging became secondary as I did more thorough soul-searching. And it's not that I all-of-a-sudden became this compliant fit-in type... I just keep my middle finger safely in the pocket of my fitted jeans until I feel it's called for.
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If anything, when I was a teen I found myself rebelling against teen culture, whatever that might be.  I only wish I could have gone thru the teenage years with what I know now.  I would have been very popular, I think, with my notion that being highly intelligent is a way of rebelling against society.  Perhaps I could have gotten some more friends[at least among the rebellion-type teens] by telling them about how reading lots of books is actually a way of rebelling against the evil establishment.

Okay, I know the notion that being booksmart is, in some instances, rebellion isn't new.  But perhaps had I learned it earlier it would have been more beneficial to me in the teen years.

"If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh"

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I can't judge you because I can't 'see' you. I judge you by your actions and your words. And you weren't even a teen until you told me you were. I know you were relating this to 'real' life. So many people are blinded by what they are 'looking at' that they don't actually see a person. Don't say everyone sees you in a certain way - that's a general statement.
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7 posted 12-23-2002 04:21 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I am confused. The first post did indeed sound like a complaint, but your follow up reply? Um...why was this moved from prose when the author indicated it was intended as prose?


Chris? or Clouded Dreams? Could someone clarify for me?

signed,

DUH serene one
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8 posted 12-23-2002 09:49 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

I'll put it this way. If one wants to be successful in life, and by success I mean earning a comfortable living, one who portrays what you have described is going to have to abandon it. Try to go to a job interview with pink hair, baggy pants, nose rings, etc, while speaking slang English and just see if that person is hired, not.
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I am not saying that I am like that. I am a teen who looks at how everyone else is treated and I realize that unless you get to know someone, you can't assume things. Me, one day you'll find me wearing baggy pants, the next day I am wearing a skirt. I make friends with people from all walks of life, and I hear them complain about how people judge them. I have this 'thing' about defending other people, which is the reason I posted this. I actually wanted it to be one thing, but it turned out to be another. That is why it was moved from prose to here.  Have a nice day

Yes there will be tommorrow, but will you be there to greet it?

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10 posted 12-23-2002 11:30 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

I appreciate what you are saying. It deals directly with the old saying, "Never judge a book by its cover."  I agree with that sentiment 100%

But, if people do dress and talk a certain way, as you described, and if they want to be successful in life, there will have to come a time when they abandon those ways. At least at work or while trying to get a high paying job.
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i realize those few times are crucial, and I thank you for listening, Have a nice day!
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12 posted 12-23-2002 01:29 PM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

You are much welcome. I believe listening is more important than speaking. You have the same  

[This message has been edited by Opeth (12-23-2002 01:30 PM).]

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I am going to have a long reply I can tell you right now. I feel so strongly on the subject of protraying yourself and not some preppy, pretty girl/guy that spends 5 hours in the shower washing their hair to make it look perfect. I am not pretty, so this might be why I feel that way, but in my outlook, if you tell yourself you are pretty, and stand up tall and proud like you own everything, then people treat you with more respect. But, then again, you get everything that the human race stands for ( dignity and pride for being a human )  takin away by someone that is gorgeous. To me this is not fair. If we were just little bubbles floating in the sky then you know we wouldn't be able to judge people/bubbles because they all looked the same. But I enjoy looking different. I just don't enjoy being classified like a fish. I try my best to look pretty ( it doesn't work but o well ) and being a young young young teen, it is horrible. The peer pressure we suffer, ( I know its not that bad but still ) I just hate it. Can't stand it. Many of my friends know I don't care how I look. I could care less. You want to judge me go ahead, but you don't know me, so why should I care. Ok, well anyway, I wish people would pay attention to personalities instead of looks. It's annoying. Like pip, no one knows really what anyone looks like ( except for the pics ) and so we get to know each other by who we really are. It reflects through everything we write, and say. Which is awesome. Anyway, that is enough....I am just...ok Riley, enough. Have a Merry Christmas...!


Riley

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you guys are contradicting yourselves left right and centre.

quote:

I try my best to look pretty / Many of my friends know I don't care how I look. I could care less.



the world doesn't really judge you based on what you wear.

/jen/

'i don't care if it hurts, i want to have control.  i want a perfect body, i want a perfect soul.'  [radiohead]

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15 posted 12-23-2002 08:04 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Who are 'you guys'?

The 'world' does indeed judge you on what you wear. To do otherwise is not to look.

You judge yourself by what you wear. Otherwise, why wear a nose ring?
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Thanx, Riley, That was great!  I don't try to look like something I'm not. I Dress the way I FEEL like I want to. I don't wear makeup, 'cause if I do, it is like wearing a mask (NO OFFENSE TO THOSE WHO DO WEAR MAKE-UP) I look at some people, and all I see is repitition. I believe that some ppl do dress the way they do is so they don't fall into the category "Just like everyone else" that is me. I love all your comments so far. It's great getting so many viewpoints!

Yes there will be tommorrow, but will you be there to greet it?

[This message has been edited by CloudedDreams (12-23-2002 10:36 PM).]

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17 posted 12-24-2002 12:48 AM       View Profile for quietlydying   Email quietlydying   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for quietlydying

but if you dye your hair pink and get a nose ring, you look just like all of the other teenagers who want to rebel.  it's the same thing, just a different look.

and no, for the most part, the real world doesn't judge you based on your taste of clothing.

/jen.

'i don't care if it hurts, i want to have control.  i want a perfect body, i want a perfect soul.'  [radiohead]

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quote:
and no, for the most part, the real world doesn't judge you based on your taste of clothing.
Jen, no offense, but this tells me you have yet to get out into the "real world."
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I was waiting for it, and I got it.

'I feel so strongly on the subject of protraying yourself and not some preppy, pretty girl/guy that spends 5 hours in the shower washing their hair to make it look perfect.'

I have no pity for someone who hates to be judged on the way they look, but turns around and judges someone else. It's okay to put someone down as shallow, because they're on the other side of the status quo? I understand that you never said "I'm putting preppy people DOWN," but believe me, the tone of disdain is there, even if you didn't intend it. Give me a break.

That's why people think that teens with pink hair and noserings are going to live up to a certain stereotype- that why I was "waiting for it"- because do you know who many "alternative" looking kids I've met that haven't used the word "preppy" as an insult? Um, I can count two Avril Lavigne songs where she does- and she's the new Britney Spears of teenage alt-culture.

Brad's right, there is a certain judgement that goes along with appearance. Jen, I couldn't disagree more. I worked in a bar for a couple of months, and do you know how many times I heard "Oh my GAWD! Her shoes SO do not match that dress!"?

Different facets of the world choose not to judge individuals who fit in with their group. Pink-haired punks tend not to judge other pink-haired punks because there's always an assumption that there are going to be similar mindsets involved. The judgement is no longer necessary, because that person is deemed "safe" by categorization. Obviously, just as a person can overcome a negative first impression/perception, the "safe" person can become "unsafe." It's just how things, in my experience, work.

[This message has been edited by hush (12-24-2002 01:42 AM).]

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If you doubt it - go look at who gets the jobs. If you want to work at Hot Topix (which is fine, don't get me wrong), you can get away with having a face full of jewelry, tye-dyed hair, and ripped up orange clothes. But if you want to get a "higher position," you'll find that your personal appearance plays a rather large portion of how you are perceived.

I know, I've done no little amount of hiring over the past several years. And it's not that I'm prejudiced against people who choose to look the way they want to - I have two earrings and a navel ring (go me, lol). What it comes down to is a matter of professional presentation. Just as there is a certain way that a memo should be typed up, there is a certain standard for how you present yourself in the business world. Would you take a judge seriously if he dressed in drag? How about a politician? Would you be able to put your trust in her if she had a face studded with jewelry and wore ragged clothes and army boots? I doubt it - I know I wouldn't.

THe "real world" is ALL about appearance. When you meet someone, all you have to go by is what you see... and they will be judging you, just as will be judging them.
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21 posted 12-24-2002 02:03 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Karen - Prose is format, not category. Almost ever post you find in the Alley (Lounge, etc.) is technically considered Prose. I made a judgement call to move this here based on content, not format. The Prose forum is generally intended for stories, essays, and the like (though I have no issue if someone insists on a piece remaining there even if stands outside that). A piece where one is looking for input on a particular subject is better suited to be in one of the Discussion forums, or in Philosophy.
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I don't dislike preppy people becasue of what they wear, its the way they act that makes me not want to be around them. I mean who wants to hang around with someone that talks about just how long it took them to do their hair or where they got their lastest set of nails done. Its a pointless cycle that I am pleased to not be a part of. I have a lot of people that don't like me for how I look, but you know what, I don't care. I mean I want to look nice, but I am not going to slave over the hair dryer trying to get my hair to flip out at a perfect 90 degree angle. Anyways, I just wanted to give something to this convo, because the real world is all about judging people by their appereance (sp. I may not like the way someone looks but I can still get to know them. If you don't like me for my personality, I have no problem with that, but if you hate me because I don't go to old navy and buy the same pair of jeans you can get at Sears but for under $20 then I am sorry for you. Well anyways, I have to be going now....ta! LOL


Riley

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rebellion is a normal part of being a teenager. When you become a teen you want to assert your own thoughts and you own views. And usually it is by rebelling against much of what your parentís have instilled in you growing up. You begin to carve out your own identity separate from the one that your parents have helped you mould. I carried a lot of anger from being bullied in my childhood right up to my late teens, I rebelled against the biggest authority figure in my life, the church. I listened certain styles of music and read certain books, trying to connect and validate my identity. Rebellion is a normal part of being a teen, it is a time of experimentation, to question all that your parents say and advised you against. Hair colour, style of music, all this is part of you but it doesnít define your personality. Yes society will judge on first impressions, and it is not just with teenagers.



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I agee that some people are shallow about"Oh God these jeans are great...oh wait, I can;t buy them, their wal-mart clothes" I am not instantly categorizing them, I just no some people are like that, and I don't want to be

Merry X-ams, by the way ^.^

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